Have you ever gone into a grooming area at a dog show - now I am talking about all breeds - white powder flying...cough, cough... scissoring hair flying, how do you get a maltese super white..... What is most important is structure/movement! What counts most is the bone structure and health of a dog - IMO. Hey, I did see a purple poodle one time in NY - with same purple color as her owner's hair -they were going up in the elevator. It was the purple shade of color some very older women will dye their hair, because they think it looks good. I did take a double look on this one.

We had an orthodontist for dogs come to speak at my all breed club and she will not place braces on any dog unless they are spayed/neutered. Why - to make sure they will not be shown after she has made the correction. Yes, people do apparently get braces placed on their dogs. Heck... I need braces, but figure I am too old to get my crooked tooth fixed now at my old age, why would anyone get braces for their dogs, I guess unless it interferes with them being able to eat.

Some judges do a great job checking - some with take their finger into the topknot and feel around and I heard of one judge that made everyone take their topknots out.

Yeah! It's an even playing field. Have I lost to that, yes, am I whining, no. Have I beat it, yes.......It's just another day at the dog show, you win some you lose some....it's just game.

Mary is right. It is a day at the show. Some days you win and some you do not. It is all up to the judges. When you are a member of a club and your club is sponsering a show you have choices as to who you would like as judges and can give a list for them to pick from. If you are an exhibitor you can choose or not to show under certain judges. That is your right as an exhibitor. I have not entered under a particular judge before. I showed on Sat. and not Sun. but I did go and watch that day. That was my choice.

Yeah! It's an even playing field. Have I lost to that, yes, am I whining, no. Have I beat it, yes.......It's just another day at the dog show, you win some you lose some....it's just game.

I meant an uneven playing field.

Tina,

Don't you just love walking through the grooming area and seeing the different breeds being groomed....it's fascinating.

I know! I think the very first time - I must have had my mouth wide open. They come in all sizes and shapes.

The first time my mouth was open....But, I still find myself walking through the grooming area and something will catch my eye and I'll have to stop and ask "whatcha doing" or "what's that". It's a good thing that most of the handlers/exhibitors know my face.....other wise they'd probably give me some smart a$$$$

[QUOTE=bjh;3093348]Yelena, I was questioning the change to the code of ethics of the YTCA. [.../QUOTE]

I don't know what to say...
I was questing everything, but code of ethics of YTCA
can you please be so kind and say what ever you have to say without hurting YTCA! Thank you

[QUOTE=bjh;3093348]Yelena, I was questioning the change to the code of ethics of the YTCA. .../QUOTE]

I don't know what to say...
I was questing everything, but code of ethics of YTCA
can you please be so kind and say what ever you have to say without hurting YTCA! Thank you

[quote=Yelena;3093930]I do not believe anyone is sitting out to hurt the ytca. The ytca is not above approach. There is good and bad in everything. Unless you have been done wrong by a member of the ytca you would not know what it feels like. I can state personally it is not a good feeling.

When showing it should be a fair playing field. Like mentioned before the health is more important.

[quote=puppylove11;3093938]So make it clear what are you asking 4!
Thank you!
Yelena

[quote=puppylove11;3093938]I'm sorry you were treated badly by someone....honestly I am. With any sport whether it be dog shows or ice skating you have to have thick skin and blow it off...have I had my feelings hurt absolutely, have I hurt someone's feelings absolutely but it's how you handle it is the difference. Members of the YTCA are human and being human beings we all will make mistakes and not perfect, I know I'm not perfect by any means but I'd hope one would learn from them and move on.
Everything should be a fair playing field but when you have judges involved it will never be as fair as you want it...only fair way is a timed event involving a time clock...I'm using this as an example because I use to barrel race and if I lost it was because my horse wasn't fast enough or if I won my horse was the fastest no worrying about someone pointing to me as the winner it was all about me and my horse.
And with breeding and showing health is the most important along with how the dog is put together structurely....
Again, I'm so sorry you were hurt by anyone.

Donna

What a great post!

I'm sorry, guys maybe I'm (not sure how to put it) ...or just old...

I don't see how YTCA code of ethics can be questioning.
Sorry!

[quote=Brooklynn;3093957]You know Donna I can very well understand how the poster you are responding to has felt. I've been treated in a not so kind manner by other YTCA members. But, I think that in every walk of life, there are people that are either gonna be your friend or not or some are just plain mean and like no one.

[quote=Brooklynn;3093957]I was NEVER-EVER treated badly by any member of ytca!
I deeply RESPECT ytca!
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Looks like there is some misunderstanding...
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Sorry for that, but I deeply believe, the Club has nothing to do with that and THE CLUB should NEVER be questing!
Sorry! May be it's just me and I should just "scare away"... Sorry!

[quote=Mardelin;3094007]you know, I've been hurt by so many people and by even someone in my own family, you pull your boot straps up and push forward. Me as a person is the only one that can control my own destiny, goals, morals, ethics ect, so I don't let anyone stir me from myself any longer...Only God and myself are the ones I have to answer too...I don't let anything get to me if I know I'm doing what is right :)
Yes, there are going to be those that are your friends and then yes there are those that are just plain mean and I just stay away from them and go about my own business :)

Just like any group - you will find nice people and not so nice people. You need to communicate and hang out with the nice people. That is like with any group, but please do not make up your mind on the whole group based on one person or a few. They do not make up the whole group. I know some pretty nice members - very nice people! You have to think what is the real reason for doing all this. For the people you would meet or for the breed?? It is then for the betterment of the breed that you go forward. And no - the shows are not always fair All the time, but I do have to say in general - majority of the time - I would have picked the same dogs (for the shows I have attended). Dogs, exhibitors, and judges can all have good days and bad days. Which makes it an opportunity for anyone to win. I have not won on some days and won on some days. But if I did not get out there and try - I would never win.

Sometimes things can be misinterpret - I know at shows I am so focus, I do not talk much to anyone if I am showing. I am thinking I have to be ready and not miss ring time, how will my dog behave today, etc... I have been asked questions by some at a show and I do tend to cut them short and do not mean too. Just anxious and focus and nothing against the person.

It's not the Code Ethics that are being questioned.

[quote=topknot;3094031]Actually Tina,

It was for both; First the breed, but I don't think I'd have ever stayed in it had it not been for the wonderful people that helped me along and the ones I met afterwards; but then those people were/are from Oklahoma and Texas.

Yelena for some reason when I was trying to quote the other poster it quoted you and that is the mix up...I was actually responding to puppy something...I hope this clears it up

Donna

Are you sure you know what are you talking about?
I'm sorry! "the world is withing"!
I deeply respect authority!
Do you?

I know! There was some misunderstanding....I don't have more to say, Sorry!

Brooklynn, personally I deeply respect you...
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Well...
It's a bit 2much...4me...
it was my thought...
Sorry to bother.

[quote=Mardelin; Actually Tina,

It was for both; First the breed, but I don't think I'd have ever stayed in it had it not been for the wonderful people that helped me along and the ones I met afterwards; but then those people were/are from Oklahoma and Texas.[/quote]

True, but what I was trying to say is that do not let one person ruin it from meeting all the great people. She should try again. And yes - OK and TX are exceptional people. I like my GA gals too! :D

Mary knows very well what she's talking about...I don't mean to be rude but maybe you are not understanding the thread and the turn it took??

I know - my posting is misquoting too. I am having to delete the last name that it added in the quote.

Good grief, I just asked for a simple clarification as to why a certain ethics rule was removed from the ytca code of ethics. How is that possibly hurting the YTCA?

I totally understand, but PLEASE don't question THE AUTHORITY (clubs)
I'm sorry!

No worries! Nothing personal!
Thank you
Yelena

Yep!

I'm pretty sure. It isn't the YTCA Code Of Ethics that is being questioned at all.

I understand that English isn't your first language, and if this whole thread was posted in your Native Language you would be able to see it very readily.

Not to worry.