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03-11-2010, 04:03 AM | #1 |
YT 500 Club Member | Suggestions Welcome. First sorry if this turns out to be a long post. After years of being out of the ring I'm now comfortable enough [financially] to be ready to return to my favorite hobby. My dilema is choosing which of two breeders to approach for mu future show/brood, as it would be neccessary for her to be a nice duel purpose bitch. Breeder 1 has bred champions and has very pretty dogs, but has not shown for many years though still breeds to the standard and is whom I got my very first show girl off. He's recently introduced new blood into his line which has improved for me the coat quality on his line, but not the ears which are a little large, something I noticed on the line he introduced. Breeder 2 is still very much in the showring, has produced many champions but of course like most lines has the odd fault, personally I think they tend to lighten too quickly . I've owned dogs from both lines previously and used studs. I'm in the uk so I'm aware things are done a little differently over here as we dont tend to have mentors though both breeders were happy to give me advice in the past, so we tend to take on potentials as pups and see how it goes. Just wondered what you guys would do. |
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03-11-2010, 08:43 AM | #2 | |
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03-11-2010, 10:38 AM | #3 |
YT 500 Club Member | Thankyou for replying Mardelin, I know which line I prefere but just want to make sure, things can change alot in dogs in just a few years so some-one who's been out of the ring for awhile can loose touch, but I do think my first breeders dogs are very beautiful and really should be seen in the ring. It would be such a shame for it to die out as I dont think any of his family are going to do it. Too many good lines are being lost already as some of the older ones stop due to too much interferance over here atm. Still plenty of time to make my descission I hope. |
03-11-2010, 11:15 AM | #4 | |
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It sounds like you are trying to decide which breeder to pick from based on the following: 1) Not in ring recently but nice line. You like smaller ears. Has better color than the other breeder. 2) Doing well in the ring now. Has a tendency to loose color early or may not have great color in line that is causing this. You are trying to choose who to get your next bitch from b/c you want to show her as a foundation bitch. You don't like big ears (who does?) but if you're looking for a foundation bitch what is the most important thing to you? You go down the list. How important are those ears? Lets see, ears over coat? That's a no brainer for me. I can't tell someone else what to do w/o seeing a bitch. You can breed bad ears out quicker than color/quality of coat in. Good coat quality is one of the most important aspects of the breed. It's ok that breeder one isn't showing much these days. You will finish her or hire a handler. You are asking about preferences. Everyone has theirs. I prefer small ears too. Just hope you don't get some really big Dumbo ears in your line. It can happen. You may be the lucky one. But never pick small ears over quality of coat, no matter how hard it is. Do you know how may great ones have big ears? Many of them do. | |
03-11-2010, 11:35 AM | #5 | |
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It sounds like you are trying to decide which breeder to pick from based on the following: 1) Not in ring recently but nice line. You like smaller ears. Has better color than the other breeder. 2) Doing well in the ring now. Has a tendency to loose color early or may not have great color in line that is causing this. You are trying to choose who to get your next bitch from b/c you want to show her as a foundation bitch. You don't like big ears (who does?) but if you're looking for a foundation bitch what is the most important thing to you? You go down the list. How important are those ears? Lets see, ears over coat? That's a no brainer for me. I can't tell someone else what to do w/o seeing a bitch. You can breed bad ears out quicker than color/quality of coat in. Good coat quality is one of the most important aspects of the breed. It's ok that breeder one isn't showing much these days. You will finish her or hire a handler. You are asking about preferences. Everyone has theirs. I prefer small ears too. Just hope you don't get some really big Dumbo ears in your line. It can happen. You may be the lucky one. But never pick small ears over quality of coat, no matter how hard it is. Do you know how may great ones have big ears? Many of them do. | |
03-11-2010, 11:47 AM | #6 |
YT 500 Club Member | I agree about the ears being easier to breed out than getting a good coat. I also figure or hope that as the first breeder is no-longer showing himself then I would not be in direct competition with anything he would be campagning himself. Sometimes I think your mentor based system seams so much less complecated as it can be that unless you are on very good terms with a breeder over here you will never get a really top quality dog. Below are pictures of the two girls I got from the two breeders. The second looks much better for shape, topline etc but her elbows turned out due to to much rib and was too small to reproduce. The third was my homebred girl, out of the first bitch. |
03-12-2010, 12:01 AM | #7 |
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| Nice pictures Diane. There are exceptions, but 99% of the time it's a win win. Very supportive and put the newbie before own needs. Some, not all. It takes years of breeding to get something in your pedigree worth showing. Most people love having a co-ownership, the stories about the CA and US breeders would make you want it. For any negative there are plenty of of positives. Considering some dogs don't reach full maturity for three plus years it would be impossible for all breeders to know what dogs are the best every time. Coat in one line comes early, another it's late. Then to have to place liter upon liter, or awaiting full maturity to see if you can show how many yt's? Did I paint a bad photo for you? |
03-12-2010, 01:24 AM | #8 |
YT 500 Club Member | Not bad at all elle, I still like the idea of mentoring as I believe if more people were to do it over here then newcommers wouldn't feel so put off by the whole thing. Many get scared after just a few shows as it all can seam so daunting when you dont have somebody to show you the ropes. My first few shows terrified me. I got better but would have likes more help in learning how to wrap the coats etc. Myshkhas was so slow growing, very very fine and slow to break. A trait she passed to her daughter Chloe though admittedly not so bad or maybe I was just more experienced by then. She was out of the last litter I bred off Myshkha so it took quite a while to get there, but I only rarely bred, 5 litters in total so not to bad I suppose. Chloe did so well for me and it was such a shame that she wouldn't breed. I suppose I really ought to stop thinking and talking about it and actually start looking as if I dont I'll never take the first step ,lol. I'll be sure to post pictures when I finally get my girl. Fortunately both breeders have a good knowledge of the breed, one having won BOB at cruftes, the other a number of years ago produced the top winning dog in China. |
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