PETA at Westminster

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Bravo916

Ann, I apologize if I offended you...that was not my intention. A lot of people haphazardly join groups like PETA and support them without knowing the facts. They choose to ignore stances they dont like and pretned they dont exist...but they do.

What else would one call a group that throws blood (more recently red dye) on to people wearing fur and leather, runs through dog shows releasing dogs from crates, harasses reputable breeders because they dont want dogs being bred and a group that threatens to take our pet ownership rights away--and it completley up front and in-your-face about it?

They terrorize people because they dont like something they are doing.

I will not stand for any group that behaves itself in this manner. From my personal experiences, I see no mitigating factors for PETA.

Fortunately, we live in a country that gives us the right to choose what affiliations we want to have. All I am saying that people need to educate themselves about what they are supporting. Plain and simple.

Now on a positive note....and I think a law every city should adopt in efforts to stop puppy mills & BYBers

The City of North Hollywood, California passed into law, forbidding pet shops the selling dogs/cats. The exception is placing rescue and or dogs/cats from reputable breeders. And we all know that most reputable breeders will not sell their dogs to pet stores.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Last comment.....You know, We all understand the need to protect animals. Thats why ethical breeders go above and beyond to protect any puppy we place in a home. We abide by strict guidelines for breeding and for spay/neutering any puppy we place. We test our dogs health beyond any required guidelines but our own. We do all this because we care. We also require that if for any reason someone has to give up their yorkie we will always take it back, thereby preventing it from going to a shelter. These are rules and standards YTCA has set for ourselves. I think what PETA and other like minded people may not understand is that....the 2 women who jumped up with the sign at the show did not further their cause. Do you honestly think they won anyone over at the show. Most people turn away from extreme organizations like that for that very reason. They were booed.........Everyone I talked to today felt the same...booooo. If Peta was protesting at a puppy mill or fighting in congress for better treatment of animals enter the food industry thats great. But don't tell me I can't eat meat. If they were setting up shelters and going to remote area to feed wild dog set lose by irresponsible owners....wooohoo! They lose credibility by acting like fools. No-one I know has respect for radicals.....not the mainstream of America.
Maybe they feel the publicity helps their cause but personally I thinks it hurts them.

I can't hunt but I don't fault my father for being a hunter. I choose not to wear fur but I don't expect everyone to abide by my belief. I would rather see wild animals in their natural habitats than in a zoo but I know situations where releasing animals back in the wild would not be realistic. I choose to breed and show Yorkies and I don't want to be judged by those who don't. These are my beliefs, these are my rights. I have but one judge and it is not you nor PETA.

Wow, where have I ever said I am judging you...in fact I enjoy going to dog shows and I fully support ethical breeders. I had a father that was into big game hunting and our house was full of stuffed animals...something I could not do but understand that many of these animals would have starved to death...I agree 100% some animals can't go back into the wild.

I just feel that ethical breeders need to lead the charge on helping the mess we are in with pet overpopulation..I see it right here on YT...people just breeding to make $$$...

I just feel the % of ethical breeders in this country is very small...

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

To answer your questions...you basically implied that members of PETA were terrorists and hypocrites.

And then you are asking to have a respectful discussion with those members? If implying I'm a terrorist and a hypocrite is the way to foster discussion...then I guess I've been doing things all wrong.

Well my Dear, I never called anyone a terrorist and I DO still find hypocrisy in purchasing and supporting breeders when Peta is one of the biggest advocates against that very thing...Just saying....what else would you call it. It is what it is......
I still have not seen a legitimate argument to support Peta. In fact, I've just heard about more terroristic acts about them. Throwing blood.....why throw anything at anyone.......it is violence!!! Pure violence!!!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Well my Dear, I never called anyone a terrorist and I DO still find hypocrisy in purchasing and supporting breeders when Peta is one of the biggest advocates against that very thing...Just saying....what else would you call it. It is what it is......
I still have not seen a legitimate argument to support Peta. In fact, I've just heard about more terroristic acts about them. Throwing blood.....why throw anything at anyone.......it is violence!!! Pure violence!!!

Something just entered my mind. Was this real blood, if so where did they obtain it?

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by gemy

Where there is smoke there is fire. I would never support an organization that has so many dubious agendas and so many concerning points about their true aims.

Dogs have been bred over many centuries to become and be companions to humans. And yes they have descended from wolves... but they are now much much different from wolves.

I will never knowingly support any organization that denies pet ownership!!!!! There are so very many studies, from so many countries that detail out how pets function to help and support humans. This is a very symbiotic relationship.

Owning a pet is a great responsibility and the rewards of same are commensurately great.

I have posted before in other threads that we are under attack... this can be subtle, and not so subtle ... however we as show and pet owners are not organized to disseminate and put forward our point of view.

Am I distressed about so many animals in shelters, so many abused and unloved animals? Of course, my heart bleeds. But I don't believe that breeders are the ones that create this situation.

So how does this happen? If only 7% of any dog in a shelter is a pure bred - then surely the problem is non pure breeds. No mandatory spay and neuter for non pure bred dogs/cats.

The instant society we have created that has no idea about pet ownership ... Let me recycle my pet that I didn't realize would poop and pee in awkward places. That need exercise and discipline and the very basic of vet care. That heaven help me I needed to brush and groom and trim the nails of!

This thread has touched within me a very passionate place. Of yes I agree that all humans should treat each other ethically and that needs to be expanded to pets. But just what is ethical?. We this human race have domesticated dogs, bred them, loved them, and we have the ethical and moral responsibility to see that they remain the beloved companions of the HUMAN RACE.

Well put my friend...and very passionate!! Take care Pam

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Something just entered my mind. Was this real blood, if so where did they obtain it?

I don't know...it was from a previous post.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Wow, where have I ever said I am judging you...in fact I enjoy going to dog shows and I fully support ethical breeders. I had a father that was into big game hunting and our house was full of stuffed animals...something I could not do but understand that many of these animals would have starved to death...I agree 100% some animals can't go back into the wild.

I just feel that ethical breeders need to lead the charge on helping the mess we are in with pet overpopulation..I see it right here on YT...people just breeding to make $$$...

I just feel the % of ethical breeders in this country is very small...

Queston, why is it that it should fall on ethical breeders shoulders, since we are a small % and some of us are doing this already and so are the breed clubs we belong too.

I think that victory is obtained in numbers.....rescues, breeders, owners, etc.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Well my Dear, I never called anyone a terrorist and I DO still find hypocrisy in purchasing and supporting breeders when Peta is one of the biggest advocates against that very thing...Just saying....what else would you call it. It is what it is......
I still have not seen a legitimate argument to support Peta. In fact, I've just heard about more terroristic acts about them. Throwing blood.....why throw anything at anyone.......it is violence!!! Pure violence!!!

My name is not Dear.

My mistake - you made the hypocrite comment, another member made the comment about us being terrorists.

To your point of my "hypocrisy in supporting breeders" - after THIS THREAD...YES...you are really making me wonder whether I should continue my AVID support of ETHICAL breeders. Perhaps I should indeed put ALL of my energy instead into ANIMAL RIGHTS and ANIMAL WELFARE. This thread is absolutely changing my feelings, that is for sure.

And btw, I am fully informed about PETA and have been a member for 20+ years.

As to why I'm not "arguing" with you, please see my previous post. If this *was* an actual respectful discussion, I would be happily be taking part in the TOPIC itself. Please see other controversial topics if you need evidence/proof.

[Cha Cha]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Something just entered my mind. Was this real blood, if so where did they obtain it?

I think it was balloons filled with red dyed water if it is the post I am thinking of.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Cha Cha

I think it was balloons filled with red dyed water if it is the post I am thinking of.

Oh, ok.....just was a bit concerned.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

My name is not Dear.

My mistake - you made the hypocrite comment, another member made the comment about us being terrorists.

To your point of my "hypocrisy in supporting breeders" - after THIS THREAD...YES...you are really making me wonder whether I should continue my AVID support of ETHICAL breeders. Perhaps I should indeed put ALL of my energy instead into ANIMAL RIGHTS and ANIMAL WELFARE. This thread is absolutely changing my feelings, that is for sure.

And btw, I am fully informed about PETA and have been a member for 20+ years.

As to why I'm not "arguing" with you, please see my previous post. If this *was* an actual respectful discussion, I would be happily be taking part in the TOPIC itself. Please see other controversial topics if you need evidence/proof.

Now Ann does this mean you will delete all my posts?

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Now Ann does this mean you will delete all my posts?

Okay, maybe just one.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Okay, maybe just one.

You know I'm not a PETA advocate or any animal rights advocate.....but,I do respect your rights and beliefs.

It would be silly for me to be that way.....it would be like me not communicating with someone that didn't have my same Political Convictions or Religious beliefs.....very narrow minded.

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Wow, where have I ever said I am judging you...in fact I enjoy going to dog shows and I fully support ethical breeders. I had a father that was into big game hunting and our house was full of stuffed animals...something I could not do but understand that many of these animals would have starved to death...I agree 100% some animals can't go back into the wild.

I just feel that ethical breeders need to lead the charge on helping the mess we are in with pet overpopulation..I see it right here on YT...people just breeding to make $$$...

I just feel the % of ethical breeders in this country is very small...

I agree and I believe we are striving to do just that. Look at the standards set for members on the YTCA site. We take breeding very serious. It is not just allllll about the shows. If one of our pups go out it is always welcome back in.....that is a must. We probably all have more views in common than we do have that are different....

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

My name is not Dear.

My mistake - you made the hypocrite comment, another member made the comment about us being terrorists.

To your point of my "hypocrisy in supporting breeders" - after THIS THREAD...YES...you are really making me wonder whether I should continue my AVID support of ETHICAL breeders. Perhaps I should indeed put ALL of my energy instead into ANIMAL RIGHTS and ANIMAL WELFARE. This thread is absolutely changing my feelings, that is for sure.

And btw, I am fully informed about PETA and have been a member for 20+ years.

As to why I'm not "arguing" with you, please see my previous post. If this *was* an actual respectful discussion, I would be happily be taking part in the TOPIC itself. Please see other controversial topics if you need evidence/proof.

Ann, dear.. Anyone who has been a member here longer than a few weeks has seen how respectfully you have debated this topic over and over and over and over again. Communicating in a considerate fashion with those who have different views is an ability you have that unfortunately not everyone shares.