A MESSAGE i RECEIVED FROM PARQUINS
 

Please read this email Parquins sent me today. I had them look and judge my girl from a photo. Just learning about the show ring and standards, he sent me this included with photos. I have to say I agree (remember I am new at all this and am very impressionable). What do you think? I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this.

hi there,
You can go to, myelegantpaws.com, she has the article i wrote about color on her web page, you may have what is more preferred, but the judges have been subjected to so many 'ill" bred, gray silver and platinum dogs that the DARK STEAL BLUE is foreign to them, it is, by ALL STANDARDS THE MOST DESIRABLE COLOR............. but faith has it has a way of turning things around, and the BEST DOG, MAY NOT BE IN THE SHOW RING, it may be sitting on a ladies lap, instead.........................today,people are more into themselves, than the 'sport' of winning with a PROPER DOG......IT'S ALL ABOUT EGO, not dogs ,.....most have no clue or concern with little real knowledge about the breeds foundation stock, since they really were not into the breed then and don't care to learn as it would clearly PROVE......THE DARK STEAL BLUE....SUPERIER ON ALL COUNTS...............AND THEY DON'T HAVE IT..................THE FADING FACTOR IS STRONGER THAN THE GENE TO HOLD COLOR .....years ago the british..would not show the dogs until 3 and 4 years old. today by the time the dog is a year, or two it has no color at all....................so they color them with hair products...........and cheat a lot, here is the color from ENGLAND ORIGIN OF THE BREED......COMMON SENSE ,........IF A DOG LIVES TO BE 12 TO 15 YRS OLD , THE COLR WOULD BE AT IT'S PEAK AT THE DOGS PRIME AGE ......SAY 4 TO 8 YRS..............most of todays yorkshires are by then so faded they look white......................WRONG WRONG WRONG !!!!!!!!!!

Lisa, thanks for sharing that email. Their dogs are very impressive and sadly I would have to agree with most of what they said. You just don't see many of the dark steel blue dogs in the ring and when you do see them you have to wonder if its the real thing. With the DQ being added to the standard it might inspired breeders to try breeding for the darker colors but then I worry about the uneducated judges that will DQ a darker younger dog that has not cleared yet. What a dilemma!

In the illustrated discussion of the YT by YTCA they state that "we desire a very even, uniform, silky textured body coat of MEDIUM (yes they have it in caps) dark bright steel blue. Many of the so-called "dark steel blue" yorkies are specimens nearer black in appearance and have coat quality and texture deviating from the standard."
Is it any wonder so many are confused? Dark steel blue is simply too open to interpretation. As far as what the colors are in England, here's a pic of Osman Sameja of Ozmillion Yorkies. He has produced over 34 British champions including Dedication who holds the record for the top-winning Yorky of all time. His dog doesn't appear near to black or silver either.

Wow, that Osman Sameja is one beautiful dog. That to me is the ideal color...not to dark and not to light. I agree, the Yorkie standard is not that clear. If you read just the standard as many judges would do and not the discussion, then I can see how there would really be confusion.

I made a post earlier about my horrific experience.. when I needed someone to email.. I found this man.. he was wonderful to me.. I loved the way he talked about showing when he started it being such an art.. and not more of an ego thing... I would trust this man.. he was in this far longer then many... not that Yt show people are wrong.. but there are so many snobs with yorkies that show.. and many times they do come off as an ego thing..

I should email this man back and let him know I did get my papers.. he was so very nice to me and I was so stunned at the breeder when she said and did the things she did to me.. I just wanted to add this.. but this is my heart talking and hope that is ok...

Sorry for the confusion honey, the man's name is Osman Sameja. He has been breeding and showing since 1971. He is a well known judge and writer in the UK. His dog's are gorgeous, the dog in the pic may be Ozmillion's Dedication, the top winning yorkie of all time, but I'm not sure.

I don't know what problems you had but I am glad you got it resolved. In defense of the Yorkie show people, when I first started going I thought the same thing but then when I actually started showing myself I realized what was going on.....It takes a lot of time and concentration when you are at a show trying to get your dog ready...combing, ironing, fixing topknot, etc...you are nervous and it can get frustrating when people continually come up and want to talk and/or touch your dog. Some exhibitors have multiply dog to get ready and just don't have time to stop and answer questions. Also, remember some of the exhibitors are professional handlers that are just showing a Yorkie for a client and professional handlers usually don't like to stand around and talk. It is best to find a exhibitor/breeder to talk to. I hope everything goes well for you in the future.

My Matty is 1/4 Parquins and she is quite dark. I don't expect her to mature until she is at least 2 years old.

I just knew show breeders,, not any of them I would be too proud of, sorry to say... Not in the states neither, but they do show in the state's.. back biting, gosip all the time, and one I know works with intimidation.. like she is perfect.. I bought a dog from her, she met me half way.. asked for the money., said this is the food she is on.. I have to run.. realy personal...grrrrrr

In fact I said how she behave's to one person.. and yes you got it.. she knew who could only be the show person with that attitude.. karma does happen though.. it may take years.. but she will get her come upins one day...and I would like to be that fly on the wall...:eek:

Lisa
I am glad he took the time to talk to you but to make a blanket statement that most show breeders do not care about or have no clue about it (this statement : today,people are more into themselves, than the 'sport' of winning with a PROPER DOG......IT'S ALL ABOUT EGO, not dogs ,.....most have no clue or concern with little real knowledge about the breeds foundation stock, since they really were not into the breed then and don't care to learn as it would clearly PROVE......THE DARK STEAL BLUE....SUPERIER ON ALL COUNTS...............AND THEY DON'T HAVE IT..................THE FADING FACTOR IS STRONGER THAN THE GENE TO HOLD COLOR I do not agree with making that as a pretty much blanket statement. I do not believe he thought his words to you would be posted on a Yorkie Forum either? I hope he doesn't mind. I think when someone shares their thoughts with you, that it should be approved by them before you share it with others. JMO
I do agree that there is a lot of pride and passion and sure some breeders it is about ego but not all. I see many people who believe they are breeding to the standard and have a soft coated black and tan is the correct color and they even believe its silk.
About the comment sometimes the best dog isn't in the ring, I agree.
If you go to my webpage you will see on the Champions page. Jesse, he very easily could have been a champion but I could not pass up the wonderful home that was really wanting him. So in my heart and theirs he will always be a Champion. Yes I truly wanted to show him but hey its truly about the dogs to me and at that time I really didn't need another male to show. And I talk to them almost daily, I love his family like they are mine.

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

I have a girl now that is 6 months beautiful confirmation but I am afraid she is going to be more modified and not a true silk.
Color may stay too dark. It is hard to get it all in one package. Time will tell on how she matures.



Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

Maybe she is just a very busy person or was running late for an other appointment. Some show people can be a little standoffish, maybe they've been burned or maybe they are snobs, who knows. Others, however, are friendly and helpful and are there for the love of working with and showing off their dogs. My dogs eat, get to go potty, get cleaned up, and alot of times get what they want before I do. I get little sleep in hard hotel room beds, eat pretzels out of a vending machine for supper, and stand out in the cold, icy wind so they can potty for the joy of showing these dogs (and that was just last weekend). They get new leads before I get new cloths and I spend way more on grooming products for them than I do my self. It's not about ego for me, no one even knows me yet. It's about learning and growing, talking dog with others who share the same passion and showing off my little pride and joys. My first experience with show breeders wasn't all that great either, I felt a bit snubbed. I've learned since that the first impression isn't always correct and sometimes trust must be earned first before you are embraced. I don't know what your experience was but try not to judge too harshly, give benefit of the doubt and hopefully next time your experience will be much better. For all the sacrifices, showing really is so much fun and I really enjoy all the wonderful show friends that I am making.

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Well, I will say this, if anyone knows about ego, it is Mr. Antonucci...

you are absolutely right and i thought about posting this wondering if it was the right thing for me to do. I felt since I am new to this, I would like to see what other professional show exhibitors felt.

I am really feeling now that this should have been kept to myself but then how would I know any different if I kept it to myself? Most of the exhibitors I have spoke with really are very busy and don't have the time for someone who is new to this like me. Or they appear they do not want you to be an exhibitor ( i am sure i am wrong but this is how it appears) I am sure they have people emailing on a daily basis regarding becoming an exhibitor. UGGGGGG this is definitely a hard!!! I will keep on trying to learn and i am sure i will keep making mistakes.

I do realize and see what and how you all live for showing your dogs..
But if your selling a pet yorkie, would you do it at a time when your so busy that you need to meet a person half way... then hand over a puppy and say sign here, have you got the cheque and then need to run off...that is what I am saying.. for if I was a breeder that did not show, and sold puppy's that way.. what would be said about me... I was only doing this for money. or whatever other reasons...
And also, I was not saying anything about a YT member or show member...
I was not intruding into a show breeders face at a show when she was busy neither.. I was buying a pet yorkie.. she made the meeting time, not me.. so if she was busy, so no excuse for her selling a puppy this way..nor was I asking her to mentor me.. I see that yorkie breeders can be leary of potential show breeders needing mentors.. but I myself as person would not just trust anyone to mentor me neither.. it does or can work both ways..for if a potential show breeder got into the wrong hands they could spend a lot of money on buying the wrong dogs, or paying the wrong trainer.. or and or..
I do thanks you for posting, I know I should get over what this breeder did to me.. but I guess if a show breeder got stung, they may forgive but never forget also...

Ozmillion Dedication is indeed a beautiful yorkie and I would say has the proper color. You can see him in many yorkie books that are out.
IMO alot of the europeon lines has beautiful steel blue with the correct gold.
I love looking at all the yorkies in the yorky club mag. it has color photos
and you really can see the texture of the coat.thius is not to be confused with the yorkshire terrier mag.in which most of there pictures are in blk/wht
kathy

I had a long phone conversation with him once and I will say this - he is very enthusiastic about his dogs. I do think his dogs are beautiful though.

As someone who has imported quite a few Yorkies from abroad, I will tell you that they also color dogs there. I have many breeder friends abroad.
I have found you will also find larger, more terrier type in their breeding programs. In alot of the lines you will be giving up correct texture for the dark color and I have noticed structure faults such as rounded rumps/lower tail sets. I have had my hands on many over the years because of my quest and research into the history of this breed I have eagerly studied pedigrees.
I have three girls I have kept out of one of my imported females who carries the Ozmillion, Millmoor and Fasmillion, Blairsville and Parkside lines and I am showing most promise with the offsprings of these girls. But it has taken time and work to breed these to the proper male to produce what I feel is acceptable for my program. It is a labor of love to create my line and years behind doing so. :)
But always keep in mind, there is also coloring and enhancing even in the dogs abroad. Just look at some of their dog supply sites :p



Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

Most of the exhibitors I have spoke with really are very busy and don't have the time for someone who is new to this like me. Or they appear they do not want you to be an exhibitor ( i am sure i am wrong but this is how it appears) I am sure they have people emailing on a daily basis regarding becoming an exhibitor. UGGGGGG this is definitely a hard!!! I will keep on trying to learn and i am sure i will keep making mistakes.

You have never met me. I have brought so many new people into this sport that I have lost count. If you came up to me at a show I would quickly ask you to come and see me when judging was complete. If you say you will, I will wait for you and even look for you if I have to. I do not appreciate people touching my dog before I show and without asking but, after I show, I will put him in your arms and pull out every dog I have there for you to hold. So many people that come to ring side have Yorkies of their own. Mine is no more important as yours and I love to look at pictures and listen to people talk about their babies.

Just remember that it took a lot of hard and a lot of money to get us there. Be respectful and ask if we have time to talk and ask before you hold out your hand to our dogs. Most exhibitors are nice and will take the time to talk to you. There are always exceptions. If someone is rude to you, brush their dust off of your feet and look for someone that is nice.

Lisa - I will be glad to help you if I can. PM me and we will see what it takes to get you started.

Lisa I completely understand.
It is hard when you feel you are outside looking in. I remember that so well.
Really there are wonderful breeder/exhibitors who will reach out to you.
Right here you have several who take time to stay on this board for the simple reason of trying to be helpful when they can.
I have a Yorkie yahoo group that I have started for people who are interested in showing and are indeed serious as you are.
If you would like to join us send me your email address and I will send you an invite. we are a very small group and somedays we are slow.

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

I see that yorkie breeders can be leary of potential show breeders needing mentors.. but I myself as person would not just trust anyone to mentor me neither.. it does or can work both ways

Do you have any idea of the time and work it takes to mentor a new person?
You are asking for my time and knowledge for free. So tell me please - how does it work both ways?

Laurie is a great one to learn the ropes from. Infact Lisa, You should meet me in Gloucester and we can ride up together to the Fredericksburg show in April. The whole gang will be there and you'll have a fantastic time.

I think she is talking about trust.

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

Yes, you are right. I apologize.

No need for an apology.
I think Lisa has help right here with you ladies in her area.
I sure hope she gets together with you girls and takes advantage of the generous offers. :)


Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

sorry to bust in on this thread as I am totally ignorant to showing...but I know a beautiful dog when I see one...and that is a BEAUTIFUL yorkie :D

Lisa - I didn't realize you were in VA. Please try to come to Fredericksburg. We have so much fun. It is an outside show and we got snow last year. Bring your snow boot and long underwear.

Tammie, I just sent you an e-mail about Conner. I can't stand the thought of not have a Yorkie to show. I am going to have to find someone to sell me a puppy or at least share one with me.;)

You know you have a standing offer from me, I'd totally trust you with my boys.

If you think you may come let me know ASAP. The good rooms go fast. I will call a get you a room with us. Tammie are you bringing the parking expert? If not, maybe you guys can share.

I thought about sending a PM, but decided to post instead.. I personally have owned two yorkies from the mentioned breeder.. I can tell you from my personal experience his dogs do have color, but neither of the two I owned had a correct coat.. One was strictly a soft coated dog and the other was soft coated until you got to her back hips and then she was a modified silk.. I had a couple of long time show breeders and an AKC conformation judge go over them, they all told me not to show them.. I also had a problem with one of them having bad angulation.. One of them topped out to be 8 1/2-9 lbs.. I bred the male once and he did not throw the proper angulation and both puppies had undershot bites.. There is another breeder in my area which purchased a male from him and the male came with a undershot bite and did throw alot of undershot bites.. I think there are alot of wonderful show people on this forum which you could learn from.. I have learnt that just because someone breeds/shows and has for a long time period does not make them a good mentor or breeder.. Best of Luck!~