I personally do not care for the color and coat texture in the pictures that were posted. Nor do I think that is a correct Dark steel blue coat...Dark black maybe...but not blue. I have never really cared for the line, and have kept it from our dogs pedigrees. I have seen and went over dogs from this breeder and dogs 2 generations out, all were soft coated, none were silky. I have seen a few in pictures which appeared silky. I also know a couple people who have talked to him and said he was a joy to talk to...I think it is great when breeders help novices inquiring about the breed and showing.

I do not think blanket statements can be made about any group of people...

I would take a way too light silk coat over incorrect texture, but that is me and the decision I would make with my dogs. We do have one soft coated dog, she was carefully bred to a dog which does not have any soft coats in his direct 3 generations...her structure however is to die for and she has everything else!

Terry will be home manning the kennel as I should have a gal in whelp at that time. I haven't talked with Suzie about her plans yet but I'm sure she'll be attending as well. We could have a regular convoy!!

I want to thank Lisa Todd for posting the Parquins email. This thread has been very informative. After giving it some thought, I do think the Parquins email to Lisa was out of line. As the saying goes, 'He who lives in a glass house should not cast stones'. Breeding the perfect Yorkie is not an easy task when you consider all the various lines (and looks) in the U.S. and abroad and the various interpretations of the standard (beauty is in the eye of the beholder). What one breeder considers correct, another breeder will not. Also, no breeder is perfect. That is why show breeders sell many of their puppies as pet quality with limited registration. I try not to judge a breeder just by the bad Yorkies they have breed but also by the good they have done for the breed. It is a very difficult task producing top winning dogs and I know there are many on YT that have spent countless years dedicating their lives to the betterment breed and I applaud all of you....you are our mentors!:thumbup:

Sorry to butt in too, I find the breeding threads very interesting. Just wanted to say - Ozmilion Dedication is my Coffee's Gr Gr Gr Grandfather.:) You'd never say it though, although he is beautiful, with wonderful colour, he's over 12 lbs!


Sheilagh

I never would of guessed it. Thanks for sharing that.

I agree that is a beautiful yorkie and whatever reason, he has a record to prove it.
Ch. Oznillion Dedication hAS became the breed record holder with
52 CCs also winning 48 BOBs, top ten toY group also including
crufts 1988 and 2 bis and 3 RBIS at all breed championship shows.
It is very hard to tell the texture of this dogs coat by the photo
but his record wins says somthing about him.
As far as coloring dogs in European lines it is certainly used all over
usa as well. I don't know about the judging in any other countries
but his track record says alot. Also he has produced many ch.
big yorkies can be throw backs from 10 gen back. look at us humans
you see that all the time. The yorkie did not start out small.
this is just mo.
I still love to look at all the european sites. I can say this that
if you ever buy one of these dogs you would probably have to fly
over to the country to see what you are buying because like
any thing you can't tell by just pictures you have to see it in person.

I noticed on your site that you have an Oliver son. He is a beautiful dog! That coat is amazing. You boy has produced some nice pups.

How cool, our pups are long distance relatives from Ozmillion. Albeit very long, still neat. I'm sure there are many more relatives here. I found something neat as I was researching my peds, the owner of Rozamie's kennel (Joe Magri) is Osman Sameja's cousin. I thought it was neat to see a connection like that, that's how Joe Magri got started. Everyone else probably already knew it or doesn't care anyways lol

Pedigrees can be "watered down", particularly after 3 generations. Unfortunately alot of times there can be many being bred after the line that haven't been bred carefully. Your Coffee and Coco are gorgeous.

JaLaYorkieGirl - Sorry. I thought I quoted your post.

Thank you, we feel very blessed to have him! Quaker is a doll, he was our first show dog so we have made our fair share of mistakes with his coat, but he had a successful year in the ring last year...this year we are hunting majors! Keep your fingers crossed...lol. He has given us some beautiful babies...and a great, great start!

You are blessed to have such a wonderful start. I have heard Oliver described as #1 in the world. I have only seen him on TV and in magazines but he looks like he deserves the title.

I'm sure you will have no trouble at all picking up those majors. Keep us updated on your success.

Color (colour) has been a great controversy since stated even as far back as 1904 - mentioned in the book "The Tweenieth Century Dog," stated by Mr. F. Randall (well known breeder in South of England) he believed that a dark steel blue (not silver) was a great improvement on the pale-coloured dogs, which are easier to breed than the darker ones. And then 80 years later the color question still caused great discussion and tempers to flair with breeders being more inclined toward their own personal preferences. Color discussion has been going on for many, many years. JMO - In the past I have seen many darker colored yorkies with better toplines and better structure than the silver or lighter color yorkies. It is better now than what I saw back in the 80's though.

JMO- Also you cannot really compare yorkies of the past to todays. Back in the 80's when I first showed yorkies - you saw more yorkies in the ring with thicker coats and more cottony coats. Today I see more silky coated. Which is an improvement.

As far as different types of yorkies in Europe and here in the US - JMO - I believe that there are so many pedigrees mixed now with yorkies from US and Canada being exported to Europe and around the world - their dogs also being imported here to the US. If you look at pedigrees - I see many European dogs with US and Canada lines in them and visa versa. You can look here in the US too and see many different looks of yorkies too. It really depends on what you are breeding - what look and lines to what as to what you will get or hope to get. Here are some interesting numbers - back in 1967 there were 1,213 yorkies exported from England and most of them arriving here in the US. In 1968 1,743, in 1969 2,361, and by the mid 1970's 2,805. And that was back then. Today I believe it is even higher. ( Numbers stated in the "The Book of the Yorkshire Terrier," by Brearley)

I have also seen many Eurpoean dogs also very tiny as also very light to dark. I see this also here in the US.

T.

Tina,
This is great info.
Kathy

Thank you!
Yes Oliver is an amazing Yorkie, you pretty much nameit, he has done it..lol...40 champion titles and all breeder/owner/handled. Anyone I have talked to that has met him only speak good about him. :) We have several videos of him so we could see him moving. We will keep you updated on Quaker's success in the ring this year!

My mentor had me looking at alot of different yorkies to define what type I want for my line and I found what I thought to be the perfect bitch. I printed out her pic and it is before me in my office as inspiration. I just realized that Pellerd Ore's Queen Mary ( my perfect gal) is full sister to your Quaker. Well now I'm really envious!!!

starting out on the wrong foot
 

I don't get it. Since you are new to dog show world, you can't figure out that this would be the wrong thing to do to post something on a public forum that someone emailed personally to you? You need to think about that and let common sense prevail, not to mention common courtesy. The author of that email has every right to be disgusted and write you off and even talk bad about YOU and be totally right to do so.

It works both ways because you were a "newbie" too at some point that knew NOTHING about Yorkies.

Well, You're a little rough for a newbie. Lisa has a good heart and a love of the breed. That email didn't contain anything that the owner of Parquins hasn't already posted on his and others websites so I doubt he'll mind over much. Laurie is 2nd generation dog fancy and has been showing since she was 10 yrs. old. She's seen alot in that time and has been around the fence several times not just on both sides of it. She already acknowledged that she misunderstood that it was trust that was being addressed in the post.

I know I can be a little rough but I have to speak my mind. I don't think I was insulting. Also, this is a rough sport and you're better off not talking about other breeders because it just opens up the opportunity for people to take pot shots -- just as someone already did to the author of that email. This could be a fork in the road for her and she'll learn from her mistake (we all make them) or she'll be the type of dog person that talks and talks and talks.... about others.

Don't be mad at me. I'm not posting on anyone's good heart or lack thereof, merely on the post. Just because the author of that email has published his opinions in the past is no defense, either.

LOL she is a beautiful yorkie as well. There were 8 puppies in that litter, Quaker is one of three in North America. One is in Canada. It was a beautiful litter! :)

please give me your email address.
thank you so much

I might just have to come up to Ohio some day, catch a show and see this boy of yours up close! Maybe I'll be able to talk Laurie into a road trip.

:rolleyes:

There is a pup on your site out of Quaker and Butterfly of Padawi's. Lovely. I would walk to Ohio for a pup like that.

I did misunderstand your post and I apologized almost immediately. Did you not see that?

No, I was never a newbie - I was born to this. My Mother bred Toy Poodles and Yorkshire Terriers. I was campaigning my own Afghan Hound before I was old enough to drive myself to the shows.

A couple of months ago I decided to get another breed to show. I had a hard time finding a decent dog. When I did find one, I had to beg to get her. I know it's not easy to get started showing dogs. I really try to go out of my way to help people find a dog and learn to show. There are people that are not nice to new exhibitors and there are breeders that will sell you a pet and call it a show dog. If you are treated rudely - politely say goodbye and keep looking for someone that will help.

Notice I said to politely say goodbye. You are going to be in the show ring with these people. It is not wise to burn bridges.

Well I think it would be great to have you all come up to Ohio for a show. My sister may be moving to N.C. so we may swing down that way for a show or two.

I adore the pairing between Kiki (Butterfly of Padawi's) and Quaker, they have 2 5 week old girls right now, one is a spitting image of Alex at the same age. :)

My boy is 2 points from finishing and then I won't have a class dog to show until I have a litter of pups. Are you keeping both girls?

I came to the Akron area last year for a UKC show. It was at a fairgrounds out in the country. It was a beautiful area and the people were so nice. I would like to do this show again.

We will be there this year! :)
Not sure if we will keep both, they are mom's so we will see. We do have a friend who shows that has been waiting for us to part with a girl for her...lol

Let me know if you are going to come up for the show again!

I know this probably isnt the most opportune time to chime in but all this talk about the struggles of being new in the show world has struck a personal chord. This could probably use its own thread but we'll run with this one for now.

Yes, I can agree with you that starting out isnt easy. I am in the same boat. There is SOOOO much to learn and the information is not easily accessible.

The majority of the people I show with are not mean--actually they are quite the opposite. Almost everyone is VERY friendly--if not too friendly at times. However, what irks me being a new person to the ring is the cattiness that goes on.

I am sure that this is not an unique situation to my location. The vast majority of the show people I have come across are so nice to each others faces but the minute they think no ones listening they rip each other apart their derogatory comments. There are no perfect people nor are there perfect dogs but this behavior is absolutely uncalled for and quite frankly inappropriate.

I just feel like you cannot get the advice without getting sucked in to the drama. When given the choice, I will gladly forgo the advice. This is why I would rather post my questions here than to ask the people I show with.

Maybe it seems like I am just ranting but I believe there is a very good message in what I am trying to convey. Being a person who has taken up showing as a hobby in addition to the 60+ hours a week I work and regular volunteer work I do, I really don't need the drama. I always feel guarded every time I show to the point where my hobby is quickly becoming a rather undesirable activity.

I really hope this will serve as a reality check for all of us, regardless of geographic location. We all need to take a good look at the message our behavior and words are sending and verify that it holds consistent with our own personal values.

It is really that unusually for a group of exhibitors to genuinely like and respect each other? In this area, I think we do. Everyone is cordial. We help each other and always clap for and congratulate the winners. I just don't see a lot of gossip and cattiness. Tammie, you haven't been showing with us that long - what do you think?