YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community
Page 3 of 4 12 3 4
Show 30 post(s) from this thread on one page

YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community (https://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/index.php)
-   Yorkie Showing & Information (https://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yorkie-showing-information/)
-   -   Just an FYI (https://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yorkie-showing-information/113643-just-fyi.html)

Tx2Stepn 01-31-2008 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CC's (Post 1717803)
A gun barrel is turned the dark color by a process called blueing. So a gun barrel could be considered "dark steel blue".

Some think its more like stainless steel, some think its darker and some in between.

It really is open to each judges preference. Just as before, but now they can DQ you. 3 DQ's and you can't show that yorkie again at all.

This was my biggest concern about the DQ added.
Your are correct, I did not state it properly. I should have stated it more as a chemical coating rather than a color added. The result is the same in that the steel color is now a blue-black rather than a steel blue.

Breeders of Yorkies have always and will always have different ideas of what the correct color is and hopefully we will be able to make it thru the next 4 and 1/2 years. I have been to several shows where the dogs were nearly white and did not get DQ'd (and I just knew that they would be), so I think that most of the Judges will not enforce the DQ so strictly as it is written. We just have to watch out for the few that will.

Yelena 01-31-2008 10:16 AM
What we know so far ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1672013)
The judges that have DQ'ed with AKC so far that I know of are as follows:
1.Mr. Filburn - said will DQ puppies
2.Mrs. Rosliee Anderson (yorkie adult too light)
3.Mrs. Olmous-Oliver (not sure how it's spelled but she's called Mrs. OO) dog too light from what I was told but not sure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT (Post 1672188)
...
4.William Usherwood DQd** 4 dogs** For both Thumbprints and being too light.

5.Janice Pardue - warned she will DQ thumbprint in adults.

(2)Mrs. M. Rosalie Anderson - too light but did not DQ for thumbprints in Open.

6.Raymond V. Filburn Jr - DQ'd 1 too dark this was a 12 month old.

7.Nancy Smith Hafner - She Dqd a puppy for not being tan enough?
Thank you very much for sharing!

Brooklynn 01-31-2008 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yelena (Post 1718007)
What we know so far ...




Thank you very much for sharing!
the one Roslie Anderson DQ'ed is too light and should have been that is why I would continue to show to her. Those that DQ a puppy I will not waste my money on. But someone that DQ's an adult yorkie that is too light I don't have a problem with as in almost white!

Fancee1 02-28-2008 11:22 PM
Maia
 
I think her head is way too light for her age and you will receive a SUCM. If it isn't a rich gold now it won't be later.

bjh 02-19-2009 11:13 AM
I noticed over the weekend that two dogs were DQ'ed in Colorado on 2/15 by judge Marcie Dobkin and one in Florida by judge Thomas Daniel. Does anyone know the reasons?

Brooklynn 02-19-2009 11:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2477746)
I noticed over the weekend that two dogs were DQ'ed in Colorado on 2/15 by judge Marcie Dobkin and one in Florida by judge Thomas Daniel. Does anyone know the reasons?
Only thing I heard was one of the ones in CO was too light in one of the older classes but not quite sure.

Donna

MyFairLacy 02-19-2009 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2477746)
I noticed over the weekend that two dogs were DQ'ed in Colorado on 2/15 by judge Marcie Dobkin and one in Florida by judge Thomas Daniel. Does anyone know the reasons?
Not sure about the one in FL but the bitch in Colorado was DQed for being too light and the dog that was DQed hadnt broken to blue yet

bjh 02-19-2009 11:52 AM
Donna and Michelle, thanks. I wish I knew what two light was. I have seen plenty of light ones that don't get DQ'ed. The dog in Florida got WD and BOB one day and DQ'ed the next....go figure.

Brooklynn 02-19-2009 11:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2477839)
Donna and Michelle, thanks. I wish I knew what two light was. I have seen plenty of light ones that don't get DQ'ed. The dog in Florida got WD and BOB one day and DQ'ed the next....go figure.
Yeah funny how the one in Florida got breed one day and DQ'ed the next...
Some judges won't use the DQ when it's needed and some judges use the DQ when it's not warranted so its all what the judge wants to do in their ring on that day.

MyFairLacy 02-19-2009 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2477839)
Donna and Michelle, thanks. I wish I knew what two light was. I have seen plenty of light ones that don't get DQ'ed. The dog in Florida got WD and BOB one day and DQ'ed the next....go figure.
I was told she was very silver...almost whitish silver and very blonde on the head. But that she was a very nice bitch otherwise.

bjh 02-19-2009 01:13 PM
I know the male was Riverwalk Tax Man and if that is the same male I am thinking about he is nearly 3 years old and just needs a major to finish. I don't remember him being too dark.

Yelena 02-19-2009 08:15 PM
Still I’m not an expert, but I did marked “my diary” not to show under
Mrs. Mildred K. Bryant
I’m not sure what was happened, but she did withhold the reserve.

Brooklynn 02-20-2009 04:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yelena (Post 2478758)
Still I’m not an expert, but I did marked “my diary” not to show under
Mrs. Mildred K. Bryant
I’m not sure what was happened, but she did withhold the reserve.
I'd show to Mildred Bryant....she's dumped me but I've also won under her. She does have her type of yorkie she likes, just take the right dog to her. She likes a medium size yorkie. Not too big, not too little. They have to be a medium blue. I do like her even though I have lost under her ;)

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Brooklynn 02-20-2009 04:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2477999)
I know the male was Riverwalk Tax Man and if that is the same male I am thinking about he is nearly 3 years old and just needs a major to finish. I don't remember him being too dark.
I believe he's not a young dog and I've seen him show. Not sure what kind of points he has because I haven't looked but he's on the darker side.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers.

Tx2Stepn 02-20-2009 08:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2479003)
I believe he's not a young dog and I've seen him show. Not sure what kind of points he has because I haven't looked but he's on the darker side.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers.
She had 2 dogs there. The 1 in bred by is the 1 that just needs the major, but the 1 that was Dq'd doesn't have any majors yet. The judge DQ'd 1 dog for not breaking to blue and the other for too light. We were all caught off guard, but as the standard is written the judge was within her rights.

Sookie 02-20-2009 08:35 AM
I have a few questions that I hope someone will take the time to answer. Please bear with me, as I am totally not trying to start anything - I just love to go to dog shows and am trying to become more knowledgeable.
1. What do you mean (can't remember who said it) that it is too hard for the newbies now?
2. What does it mean that "the next five years will be so hard"?
3. Also, if the puppy were DQd because it was too light, doesn't it stand to reason that it will get even lighter as it gets older?
4. Where can I find the old standard and the new standard so that I can compare the two?
All the information about too light, too dark, thumbprints, etc. -- it's really just too much. I am totally confused.

Tx2Stepn 02-20-2009 08:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tx2Stepn (Post 2479221)
She had 2 dogs there. The 1 in bred by is the 1 that just needs the major, but the 1 that was Dq'd doesn't have any majors yet. The judge DQ'd 1 dog for not breaking to blue and the other for too light. We were all caught off guard, but as the standard is written the judge was within her rights.
I need to clarify that the DQ'd dogs had 2 different owners. After I read my post it sounded like I was talking about one owner. The dog Dq'd for not blue enough was an open dog and the one for too light was a 12-18 mo. bitch.

Tx2Stepn 02-20-2009 08:57 AM
2. What does it mean that "the next five years will be so hard"?
The standard cannot be changed again for 5 years. (Now it is 4 years)
3. Also, if the puppy were DQd because it was too light, doesn't it stand to reason that it will get even lighter as it gets older?
The reason for the new DQ's was to stop parti-colored Yorkeis from showing but because of the wording it affected the light and dark spectrums of our breed.
4. Where can I find the old standard and the new standard so that I can compare the two?
When reading the new standard, just remove the last portion of the standard that deals with the DQ and you have the old standard.

Brooklynn 02-20-2009 09:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tx2Stepn (Post 2479221)
She had 2 dogs there. The 1 in bred by is the 1 that just needs the major, but the 1 that was Dq'd doesn't have any majors yet. The judge DQ'd 1 dog for not breaking to blue and the other for too light. We were all caught off guard, but as the standard is written the judge was within her rights.
I knew she had a puppy dog is that the one she had in bred by or is the one that got DQ'ed the other one? Who was the bitch that got DQ'ed? I guess I didn't know that owner? Do you know how old the male was that was DQ'd? I didn't pay attention on the show results. Yes, you are correct with the way our standard is written they are within in their rights to DQ. I don't have a problem with a light yorkie being DQ'd but I do have one that is when we know it's going to break but again as you said the judges are within their rights
Donna

Tx2Stepn 02-20-2009 09:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2479295)
I knew she had a puppy dog is that the one she had in bred by or is the one that got DQ'ed the other one? Who was the bitch that got DQ'ed? I guess I didn't know that owner? Do you know how old the male was that was DQ'd? I didn't pay attention on the show results. Yes, you are correct with the way our standard is written they are within in their rights to DQ. I don't have a problem with a light yorkie being DQ'd but I do have one that is when we know it's going to break but again as you said the judges are within their rights
Donna
The open dog is the one that was DQ'd. He is Riverwalk breeding. He was born in April of 2006, so he is nearly 3. The bred-by wasn't a puppy, he was the one she showed at the specialty in Dallas and I believe he got RWD the first day in Denver.

The bitch was owned by a new exhibitor and she was very upset. She was a real trooper and came back the next day. Her dog was a Gold Dust/Durrer breeding.

bjh 02-20-2009 09:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2479003)
I believe he's not a young dog and I've seen him show. Not sure what kind of points he has because I haven't looked but he's on the darker side.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers.
I looked back at some old catalogs and realized I had this dog mixed up with another one being shown in 2007. I guess I have never seen Tax Man.

Brooklynn 02-20-2009 09:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tx2Stepn (Post 2479306)
The open dog is the one that was DQ'd. He is Riverwalk breeding. He was born in April of 2006, so he is nearly 3. The bred-by wasn't a puppy, he was the one she showed at the specialty in Dallas and I believe he got RWD the first day in Denver.

The bitch was owned by a new exhibitor and she was very upset. She was a real trooper and came back the next day. Her dog was a Gold Dust/Durrer breeding.
Awwwww I feel sorry for the new exhibitor! Glad she came back the next day and showed :)
Again, you are right , it's gonna be a LONG 4 years LOL

Donna

bjh 02-20-2009 09:36 AM
I have a question that I am curious about. I keep hearing about the different color enhancements that can be used to make the yorkie's steel blue look darker. I think it is called Black Rage and there may be other products out there. Also I heard just the other day about something you can spray on the gold of the light dogs to make the roots look darker. I also heard a while back where a judge asked an exhibitor if their dog was dyed, which it was not. So I am wondering if a yorkie has been enhanced to look darker than it really it will a judge DQ that dog if he thinks it has been enhanced and have any of you ever been questioned by a judge about the color of your dog?

MyFairLacy 02-20-2009 09:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2479325)
I have a question that I am curious about. I keep hearing about the different color enhancements that can be used to make the yorkie's steel blue look darker. I think it is called Black Rage and there may be other products out there. Also I heard just the other day about something you can spray on the gold of the light dogs to make the roots look darker. I also heard a while back where a judge asked an exhibitor if their dog was dyed, which it was not. So I am wondering if a yorkie has been enhanced to look darker than it really it will a judge DQ that dog if he thinks it has been enhanced and have any of you ever been questioned by a judge about the color of your dog?
A lot of yorkies are dyed or "enhanced" as some say.

bjh 02-20-2009 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 2479334)
A lot of yorkies are dyed or "enhanced" as some say.
Yes, that is what I have found out. So why would an exhibitor show a light dog if they can just enhance it and not worry about getting DQ'ed? :confused: I guess if they were a novice that could explain it.

Tx2Stepn 02-20-2009 09:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2479325)
I have a question that I am curious about. I keep hearing about the different color enhancements that can be used to make the yorkie's steel blue look darker. I think it is called Black Rage and there may be other products out there. Also I heard just the other day about something you can spray on the gold of the light dogs to make the roots look darker. I also heard a while back where a judge asked an exhibitor if their dog was dyed, which it was not. So I am wondering if a yorkie has been enhanced to look darker than it really it will a judge DQ that dog if he thinks it has been enhanced and have any of you ever been questioned by a judge about the color of your dog?
If a judge dq's a dog for being dyed it is a EX for a foreign substance in the coat and leads to a suspension from AKC. I can tell you that I believe that there was at least 1 dog being shown that I could tell was dyed and the judge did not DQ. I may be wrong, but it looked dyed to me. In my opinion the judge knows the circumstances of the dyed dq and was being nice by not dqing...

Brooklynn 02-20-2009 10:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tx2Stepn (Post 2479355)
If a judge dq's a dog for being dyed it is a EX for a foreign substance in the coat and leads to a suspension from AKC. I can tell you that I believe that there was at least 1 dog being shown that I could tell was dyed and the judge did not DQ. I may be wrong, but it looked dyed to me. In my opinion the judge knows the circumstances of the dyed dq and was being nice by not dqing...
You are correct it would be an EX and not a DQ because if a judge thinks the color is enhanced it's called a foreign substance so that is an EX not a DQ. Most experienced judges know when a dog is enhanced...I was talking to a judge once and was commenting on the color that came off on her hands after going over the yorkies one time LOL...Sometimes you can tell a yorkie is enhanced and sometimes you can't just depends on how well someone can do it LOL! A good portion of the specials are dyed. I saw on a website that offers color enhancing products on their website LOL...
Donna Bird

bjh 02-20-2009 11:03 AM
Donna, where's your avatar??? We need another pretty yorkie to look at.:)

One thing I notice when I was looking at the pictures of the dogs at Westminster is that many of them looked really dark and the gold looked more like a tan on many of them. Was it just the pictures or were there a lot of darker yorkies there? I sure would loved to have been there.

Brooklynn 02-20-2009 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2479452)
Donna, where's your avatar??? We need another pretty yorkie to look at.:)

One thing I notice when I was looking at the pictures of the dogs at Westminster is that many of them looked really dark and the gold looked more like a tan on many of them. Was it just the pictures or were there a lot of darker yorkies there? I sure would loved to have been there.
I took it off :)

You also have to remember in pictures and TV the lighting with flashes and the lighting in the building pictures are taken in can and will affect color. Some dogs will appear lighter than normal or darker depending on the lightening.

topknot 02-21-2009 03:10 AM
DQ in Orlando
 
The one that was DQ in Orlando...

I know the breeder personally (for a long, long time) and she has some Very, very nice dogs. She has been showing for about 25 years and knows the standard and has had quite a few champions over the years. The one that was DQ for being dark is only 1.5 years old. She will probably clear and will hold a nice blue. For a bitch - I would rather them break later than earl. Her sire had some great wins too. Yes, she took 1/W/BB/BW just the day before and I believe also has other wins.
T.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:28 AM.
Page 3 of 4 12 3 4
Show 30 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2003 - 2018 YorkieTalk.com
Privacy Policy - Terms of Use


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166 1167 1168