Donna

I am glad you pointed this out because a lot of the new people don't realize this. We have always had this choice. Now we just have a bigger list of who we won't show to. So Majors will even be harder to find in the next 5 years.
We have always had a list of who we will show our dogs to and who we won't show to, you have to research your judges just as you have to research your breeders.
I have some nice darker pups coming up and some will consider them too dark/black if I show them too early. It will take them longer to break so I am not sure at what age yet I will get them in the ring. They are 6 months now and I am keeping all three of them. I just hate the fact that now showing puppies to get them socialized we will now hesitate getting them in the ring so they will have experience in that atmosphere and have to research even more to see what judges are going to be DQing them even thou they are not an adult so their color is not a correct color for adult.
They are in confirmations puppy classes but thats not at all like the noise/atmosphere at a real show.


Deana
Prestigeous

I don't think majors will be hard to come by...we've had several majors in the Texas area so far. Most pay attention to what judges are DQ'ing and not entering under them or just not entering those yorkies they think the judges will DQ. But in my opinion if you think you have a yorkie that a judge will DQ and I"m not talking from the puppy classes you shouldn't be entering in the first place...JMHO Most of the old time judges and breeder judges aren't applying the DQ it's mostly provisionals in my opinion besides two we've mentioned here. But yes, it's gonna be a long 4 1/2 more years....

Donna
Brooklynn

I just have a different type yorkie that I like....

Well yea I have been showing since 99 you can bet I won't enter a Yorkie in the ring (adult) that I have any concern about a DQ.
I think this is going to be really hard for the new exhibitors to try to get thru the next 5 years.
I will wait it out on my pups to mature a little more before deciding what move to make with them, I have an 11 month old girl that is ready to go out in a few months, so while we work with her I will have time to see who will be next and make our show decisions. One of our breedings has already finished in TX since the DQ was in effect. So the DQ isn't going to stop us from showing our type of Yorkies. ;)

Deana
Prestigeous

My dilema as well!!!!!!!!

I think I am going to try some puppy matches just to get them out and about and prehaps maybe do some UKC
I have never shown in UKC, does anyone know how things are going with the Yorkies in those shows?

Deana
and The Prestigeous Yorkies

I would love to know about UKC as well...I am planning on taking our puppies UKC now and taking Maia that route, I have decided to pull her from AKC which just breaks my heart!

I love Maia, she is sound in structure, showy and I love her head but she is too light. With the new DQ I am tired of holding my breath every time I enter the ring...I have to disagree that they do not belong there to begin with if they are to light...yes the perfect dog is dark steel blue and the shaded golden tan...but dogs are not perfect! I just do not have it in me to dye them, the title is just not that important imo. I think she belongs in the ring and she loves it so much we will just do UKC...I enjoy showing her too much to quit because of what I feel is a judge being ridiculous!

I agree we always have the choice not to enter under certain judges, that is our right as exhibitors...my list is just growing for a different reason right now! :D

The UKC has their own Standard and are not governed by AKC. Take notice of the portion dealing w/ puppies...

Here it is:

GENERAL APPEARANCE

The Yorkshire Terrier’s appearance is that of a well-balanced, long coated, small (Toy-type) terrier, readily identified by its steel blue and tan, straight-flowing coat. The hair is parted on the muzzle and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail. The body is square and evenly proportioned. The dog’s high head carriage and confident manner gives the appearance of vigor and self-importance.

CHARACTERISTICS

Although small, the Yorkshire Terrier is spirited, reflecting its terrier strains, and very healthy and strong. Yorkshire Terriers are very intelligent and lovable and make excellent companions.

HEAD

SKULL - The skull is rather small and flat.

MUZZLE - The muzzle is not too long in proportion to the skull.

TEETH - A full complement of strong white teeth meet in a level or scissors bite.

Faults: Overshot bite. Undershot bite.

EYES - The eyes are medium in size and placed to look directly forward. They are dark in color and sparkle with a sharp, intelligent expression. The eye rims are dark.

NOSE - The nose is black.

EARS - The ears are small and V-shaped and carried erect. They are set high on the head, with the hair trimmed short on the tips.

NECK

The neck is of good length and is set to allow for high head carriage.

FOREQUARTERS

The shoulders are well laid back.

FORELEGS - The forelegs are straight. Dewclaws may be removed.

BODY

The body is compact, with a level topline and moderate spring of rib.

HINDQUARTERS

The hindquarters are sturdy and well muscled.

HIND LEGS - Straight when viewed from behind, with moderate angulation at the stifle. Dewclaws may be removed.

FEET

The feet are round with black toenails.

TAIL

The tail is customarily docked to a medium length. The tail set is level with the topline, with the tail carried slightly higher than the level of the back. If undocked, the tail is as straight as possible, well covered with hair, and carried a little above the level of the topline. On an undocked tail the hair will be a darker blue than on the rest of the body, especially at the tip.

FauIt: Low tail set.

COAT

The coat is long, perfectly straight, fine and glossy. It is silky in texture and cool to the touch. The fall on the head and muzzle are very long. The fall on the head is tied up with one bow in the center of the head. The hair on the tips of the ears should be trimmed short.

The body coat may be trimmed to floor length for ease of movement and the feet may be trimmed for neatness.

Faults: Cotton- or wool-textured coat in adults.

COLOR

Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are mature. The mature coat color occurs gradually; therefore, puppies should not be faulted for lack of color change until they are two years old. The colors in adult dogs are:

BLUE - a dark steel blue.

TAN - All tan hairs are darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to a still lighter tan at the tips.

On the body, the dark steel blue extends over the body, from the back of the head to the root of the tail. The headfall is a rich golden tan, deeper in color at the sides of the head, at the ear roots and on the muzzle, with the ears being a deep rich tan. The tan color should not extend down the back of the neck.

The hair on the chest and legs is, a bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs or above the stifle on the hind legs.

Faults: In adult dogs, fawn or bronze hairs mingling with silver-blue color. Sooty or black hair intermingled with the tan.

Disqualifications: Any change in coat color by artificial means. Albinism.

WEIGHT

The Yorkshire Terrier weighs no more than seven pounds.

GAIT

The dogs exhibit a smooth and flowing movement, in straight line, with good reach and strong drive and straight action front and rear. The topline remains level while gaiting.

DISQUALIFICATIONS

Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Any change in coat color by artificial means. Albinism.

As a side note Yorkies are in the Companion Group and are shown in the group w/ the following breeds:

Affenpinscher

Bichon Frise

Bolognese

Boston Terrier

Brussels Griffon

Cavalier King Charles Spaniel

Chihuahua

Chinese Crested

Chinese Crested (Revised March 1, 2008)

Coton De Tulear

Dalmatian

Dalmatian Revised January 1, 2008

English Bulldog

English Toy Spaniel

French Bulldog

Havanese

Italian Greyhound

Italian Greyhound (Revised March 1, 2008)

Japanese Chin

Lhasa Apso

Löwchen

Maltese

Miniature Pinscher

Miniature Pinscher (Revised January 1, 2008)

Papillon

Pekingese

Petit Brabancon

Pomeranian

Poodle (Miniature and Toy/Solid & Multicolored)

Pug

Schipperke

Shih Tzu

Tibetan Spaniel

Tibetan Terrier

Yorkshire Terrier

is there a place "puppy matches" are listed. How do you find those? Thanks

What do you consider too light? Now is she is closer to white silver in color then I wouldn't show her AKC but if she's consider a medium blue then I see no reason not to show her AKC, that color isn't being DQ'ed

You can find some on www.Infodog.com
Also check kennel clubs in your area to see if they will be having any.

Deana
and The Prestigeous Yorkies :D

I think it was a shame that they changed the required colors.

AKC or the YTCA hasn't changed the colors...it's just now a DQ for the show ring to have the incorrect coat color but we all have to remember dark steel blue can be subjective and all have different interputations of what it is :)

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Have more info in the puppy, but I find it more upsetting, I guess you could say. It was a 6 - 9 mo. bitch. Born 7/27/07!!!!! It was 6 months old!!!!!
Images Playgirl out of Ch Images Play It Again and Ch Images Look At Me Shine. Interesting, a half brother (same sire) won the Breed. This is ridiculous!! JMO

you know that just sucks. i was just getting brave enough to try my girl in AKC but not now. people new to showing and just learning don't have a chance.

Donna I think her biggest set back is her tan, it is slow in coming in...with all these light heads getting DQ that makes me worry, and with her being 12 months old she is not technically a puppy still. I think by the time her tan is nice and rich she will be lightening too much in blue! I think she is dark enough now imo in the blue to show...but the tan is just not there, it is nice and rich around her muzzle and ears...and slowly coming in on her head! Of course I would love to see her darker...but right now I think she has the cake..lol.

I have a 5 week old puppy who is very nice and dark, but we have a lot of waiting to do to see if she makes the cut...lol.

I will attach a couple pictures of Maia so you can see her...
The first one was just a month ago, she was a couple days shy of a year!
The second one is her at 8 months old.
Last one is her color at 6 months old, her first show.

That is very sad...I would have been so upset to have such a young puppy DQ. :( Just sitting here shaking my head...

she's beautiful! Reminds me of my Radar!! I think her tan is fine and wouldn't get DQ'ed at all....I think where the DQ is being played is in the puppy class for being black still and in classes older than that would be the blue not her tan...that's my humble opinion....

As confusing as the DQ seems to be for some judges I am still taking my puppy the AKC route. What else can we do, wait 4 years:confused:

Thank you very much for your opinion, your Radar is simply amazing so I take that as a huge compliment! I love showing her, and she adores it, I think I will still take her UKC in May, and consider taking her AKC again!

Would you put her in the 12-18 month class or the bred-by? do you think it matters?

Dark steel blue in what I understand is a gun metal blue.
Looks like the color of a cannon. metallic in color.
not clearical grey not light blue not black it is a gun metal blue.
that is what I have read in many books. don't know if I am understanding it right.
Kathy

I have a nice 6 month old that I will hopefully be showing this spring. She is much darker than the boy I am showing (or not showing for 4 more years now as he is light).
She is still light on the head, but beautiful dark tan on her muzzle. I have a list of who not to show under and hope that works out. I just hope that the judges for the Az shows in March and April are good, level headed judges.

Maia is beautiful!!!!

I'd personally put her in the bred-by class! I think you have a great shot with her and I wouldn't worry about the gold....I think all the DQ's are leaning towards the blue color...trust me, I've seen a very very light coated dog in the ring that didn't get DQ'ed...I'd pick and choose the judges I'd show under...again, most aren't DQ'ing most adults....She is pretty and I'd still show her AKC

That's what I hear too....but again as you know everyone has a different interpuation of color...but you have the right idea :)

Donna

I read someplace that the blue should be the color of the railroad tracks when the sun hits them just right. What's that suppose to mean? What way is just right? What time of day and which side are you standing on? In the end it really is a matter of interpretation and taste. Your Maia reminds me of my Carly. At 11 months old she is just starting to golden up and has the slowest growing coat I have ever seen. I'm afraid that by the time she has any gold or length to her coat her blue may be to light. For now her blue is very blue, not silver at all. She has leg, a topline to die for, good length of neck (you can't tell in the pic) and carries herself like a princess but she may just be able to give me incredible pups because of the coat. It's so hard to get it all in one package.

This is why I think the new standard is nuts because not everyone considers dark steel blue to be gun metal blue. When the original standard was written they could have easily used the words "gun metal blue" if they intended the coats to be that dark. Instead they used "steel blue" with a qualifer "dark" in front of it. To me, this means that they were looking for a coat with the definate color of steel in it but a darker shade. Remember that color is added to the steel in order to get gun metal blue, so it is no longer "steel" in color.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Excellent Point

A gun barrel is turned the dark color by a process called blueing. So a gun barrel could be considered "dark steel blue".

Some think its more like stainless steel, some think its darker and some in between.

It really is open to each judges preference. Just as before, but now they can DQ you. 3 DQ's and you can't show that yorkie again at all.

This was my biggest concern about the DQ added.