Dying Yorkies

[Saleswman]

When a judge disquailfies a 10 month old puppy in the ring for the "new" color requirements.....when it should have never been considered an "adult" yorkie...

I guess the only ones that will be able to finish will be "handled" Yorkies..based solely on whether the judge reads the laws correctly...and they are paid to know how smart the judge is....

[MyFairLacy]

I think dying a show dog is really wrong...it's deceitful and cheating I don't care how many people do it...it's wrong. You shouldn't have to cheat to win a dog show. The whole purpose of showing is to prove your dog is of quality to breed. So if you have to cover up faults just to win, that's not right and doesn't prove anything about the dog. Enhancing colors happens in the cat show world too. I met a Tonkinese breeder's daughter who told me her mom used eye shadows to fix the cats colors.

[PrestigeousYT]

I have even witnessed the use of Eyeliner on a Yorkie at a show when Strut was a young puppy.
My daughter was tugging on my jacket and said look, I looked over and you could see they didn't want us to see, they tried to block the view once they noticed we were looking.
I can honestly say I had never seen a Yorkie person doing that before.
You do see alot.
I think the coloring of the coat and the standard emphasis on the coat being of prime importance has so many focusing on the wrong part of the body as the number one importance.
Health should be first no matter what.

Deana
Prestigeous

[yorkiekist]

And with the "color change" come the ignorant judges and some that are just plain obnoxious. So far there are 3 judges that are DQ'ing on color alone. One, in particular, was "bragging" at a show saying that he was going to DQ everything, even the whole ring, if they werent dark steel blue. And he proceded to just that. He almost DQ'd the whole ring except for the ones showing last who pulled their entries when they saw what was going on. Even the AKC rep ws called to the ring. This judge payed absolutely no attention to conformation at all. And he gave BOB to a black soft coat, also an incorrect color. Can we say COLORBLIND!!!!!

[yorkiekist]

The smartest dog in the ring was the one that tried to bite this judge!! Also DQ'd, but worth the giggle!!

[PrestigeousYT]

It is frustrating to say the least.
Makes it hard for everyone to want to continue to show when all of this is going on.
It was hard enough before when it was just the politics.

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

The new color standard states that all colors like chocolate, parti , blond, white, etc will be DQ'd in the show ring. The standard for the Yorkie is a dark steel blue saddle and shaded tan head and legs. The tail should be a little darker blue than the body.

Black and gold, black and tan and blue and gold (colors that were once allowed to show and win) are also in the ring because of the new rule.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I think dying a show dog is really wrong...it's deceitful and cheating I don't care how many people do it...it's wrong. You shouldn't have to cheat to win a dog show. The whole purpose of showing is to prove your dog is of quality to breed. So if you have to cover up faults just to win, that's not right and doesn't prove anything about the dog. Enhancing colors happens in the cat show world too. I met a Tonkinese breeder's daughter who told me her mom used eye shadows to fix the cats colors.

Yes I agree coloring is wrong and cheating! But with that said, I'd rather go up against a dyed dog any day than a obivious "black" soft coated dog AND a dog with health issues or an obivious crippled rear, bad front, any day! When I see a dog that's so obivious that's crippled in the rear and bad top line win over a dyed dog then there is something wrong in my humble opinion! While coloring is wrong at least it's not a structural fault or a health fault as a bad rear which it far worse than just a lighter coat that was enhanced. JMHO

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[Ladyhawk]

Apparently emphasis on the coat is not something new. Laurie sent me this the other day.

The one from 1920 is interesting. There is a chapter on showing and it gives this value of points in judging
Quantity and color of hair 25
Quality of coat 15
Tan 15
Head 10
Eyes 5
Mouth 5
Ears 5
Legs and feet 5
Body and general appearance 10
Tail 5

Total 100

It's incredible to see so many points given to coat matters and so little to structure. It seems like we are headed back towards the 20's sometimes.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Saleswman

When a judge disquailfies a 10 month old puppy in the ring for the "new" color requirements.....when it should have never been considered an "adult" yorkie...

I guess the only ones that will be able to finish will be "handled" Yorkies..based solely on whether the judge reads the laws correctly...and they are paid to know how smart the judge is....

You are exactly right. This is why I will NOT put my eight month old girl under an AKC judge. She is a slow breaker and her "career" could be ruined by one simple minded judge that hasn't yet learned the new standard.What surprises me is that these judges are being allowed to get away with DQ'ing these puppies instead of being called on the carpet for it and made to memorize what it says about DQ'ing because of color.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

And with the "color change" come the ignorant judges and some that are just plain obnoxious. So far there are 3 judges that are DQ'ing on color alone. One, in particular, was "bragging" at a show saying that he was going to DQ everything, even the whole ring, if they werent dark steel blue. And he proceded to just that. He almost DQ'd the whole ring except for the ones showing last who pulled their entries when they saw what was going on. Even the AKC rep ws called to the ring. This judge payed absolutely no attention to conformation at all. And he gave BOB to a black soft coat, also an incorrect color. Can we say COLORBLIND!!!!!

I bet he was allowed to get away with it, too. There should have been an uproar from exhibtors that was heard around the world.

[Ladyhawk]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

You are exactly right. This is why I will NOT put my eight month old girl under an AKC judge. She is a slow breaker and her "career" could be ruined by one simple minded judge that hasn't yet learned the new standard.What surprises me is that these judges are being allowed to get away with DQ'ing these puppies instead of being called on the carpet for it and made to memorize what it says about DQ'ing because of color.

Don't let them scare you. Danali is slow to break. She is still almost black down her topline and a deep blue coming up her shoulder and hip. She took her first point last month at 8 months old. Dark is really popular right now and you'll find that your gal would do better in the ring than a dog that is breaking early and on the light side like my Carly.
Mary Trimble finishes small dark dogs around here all the time as does Barbara Stratford. Small and dark is in!!!

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

And with the "color change" come the ignorant judges and some that are just plain obnoxious. So far there are 3 judges that are DQ'ing on color alone. One, in particular, was "bragging" at a show saying that he was going to DQ everything, even the whole ring, if they werent dark steel blue. And he proceded to just that. He almost DQ'd the whole ring except for the ones showing last who pulled their entries when they saw what was going on. Even the AKC rep ws called to the ring. This judge payed absolutely no attention to conformation at all. And he gave BOB to a black soft coat, also an incorrect color. Can we say COLORBLIND!!!!!

Maybe this judge is trying to make a point or statement about the new rule, especially when choosing a black soft coat for BOB? If this is the same judge that I'm thinking about, it was a class of young dogs 12-18 months? Since the YTCA didn't put an age limit as to when a dog had to turn blue by, I guess this judge felt that the black soft coat was the best conformationally, in the class. More than likely that soft coated dog, is a black and tan that will never turn blue as an adult because it lacks the grey gene. This would mean that dogs are showing and winning even though they don't and won't meet the Parent clubs standards for color. But isn't this exactly why this DQ rule was put into effect in the first place, to insure that off colored dogs would not be allowed to show ???

It's a mess for sure.

[bjh]

The following is taken from the Yorkshire Terrier Standard:

"Colors
Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: BLUE: Is a dark steel blue, not a silver blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. TAN: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.


Disqualification
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.
Approved April 12, 1966. Approved Addition of DQ October 1, 2007 "

Because the YTCA added the disqualification it has caused a bigger problem. I never saw a parti or chocolate Yorkie being shown in our area. I do see a lot of silver blue Yorkies. I agree with Donna that too much emphasis is being put on coat color and not on soundness. It is the beautiful silky coat that really make the Yorkie breathtaking but it does have to move around the ring correctly. The Yorkshire Terrier is one of the most difficult dogs to breed (correctly) and to show. I just wish the YTCA had not added the disqualification. I know handlers and exhibitors have always dyed and chalked dogs but I still have a hard time excepting it. That's how it is in the real world.

[Brooklynn]

Ok I'm going to make another comment LOL.....Here is my opinion on this subject.....Although I prefer the correct color but what is more important to me in a show yorkie is the overall health, then comes structure/top line and movement, then a nice ear set, good bite and then the coat color. In my opinion you have to have a well put together dog structurely and healthy and then strive for that perfect color but you won't always have a 100% correct yorkie or any breed for that matter. I did not approve of the DQ in our standard but nor do I support a tri colored yorkie in the yorkie ring either nor do I support showing that kind of color or a chocolate or parti's, black soft coated yorkies but that is just me please those that have these colors that I mentioned is in no way saying you don't do it unethically just the way I practice in my showing/breeding practices. I love my black soft coated yorkie she's the love of my life and she's spayed. I know so many exhibitors that say their yorkies have that silk coat and they actually believe they are a silk coated yorkie but are a soft black coated yorkie it's so obivious it's those that kind that need to take off the blinders and see it for what it really is. As for dying a coat just remember this....what one thinks is a dark steel blue may actually be black so really color is all in the eye of the beholder....so that's why I take health, structure/topline and movement over coat color anyday and again the coat just being the icing on the cake!! And again, I'd rather lose to a dyed yorkie than one that has a crippled rear, bad front and bad topline JMHO!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers