HELP!! A YT train is needed!!!

[daisy mae06]

I am Way to far north but I want to wish you Luck . I hope you can get the rest of the trip taken care of in time.

[Jeri Cunningham]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I understand the concept of wanting to help these little guys out but can I play devil advocate here by saying that if this is a breeder and she has them living outside by you buying them to save them you will only give the $ to breed more and leave them too outiside. Anyway, I do hope it works out for these guys and please don't take my post as negative. I hate people the breed and do not care about the pups. It really sucks. Elaine

Neil is really a nice person, he is 62 and was ill but even at that the puppy I got was in excellent health according to the vet. So it is NOT a bad breeder or a puppy mill. He just got sick and didn't sell them as puppies and no one wants older dogs since he doesn't advertise and only sold in his area. You now can be completely satisified that is is OK to get these guys. I was unsure at first too, hence the full blood work, x-rays and complete physical on Spanky. He doesn't have a web site so a friend that does was helping him by putting them on Puppyfind.

[jrsygal37]

Can I just ask if he's such a nice guy then why he would leave these pups outside and not in his house? Really I'm not trying to be fresh at all but I just can't see how anyone especially a "good" breeder would leave his pups outside. I hope it works out for these babies. Elaine

[Jeri Cunningham]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

Can I just ask if he's such a nice guy then why he would leave these pups outside and not in his house? Really I'm not trying to be fresh at all but I just can't see how anyone especially a "good" breeder would leave his pups outside. I hope it works out for these babies. Elaine

OK their in a 12 by 12 chain link enclosure with a large house attached to his house and hooked up to his air conditioning. The have misters for the outside part as it gets really hot. I actually asked him why they don't live in the house and he was afraid they would bond to him or him to them. Time got away from him and boom they kept getting older. Normally they are in the house and out at 12 to 16 weeks to new homes. Also he only has the one unfixed male (the father/stud) and with 4 other males growing up in the house may have caused fighting.

My problem is they have been on puppyfind for quite awhile now and no one has gotten them even at the great price. I worry they are not going to get as much love as I would want them to have. Maybe because I'm with mine 24/7 I care.

Spanky has been with us a week last Wednesday and it is so cute how he follows me around like I will dissapear if he looks away. I'm hoping he will be more secure later.

I just think all dogs need to live inside the house but I don't see Neil as being BAD in this case. Believe me I'm the kind that jumps in and has a fit if dogs are mistreated so I did ask lots of question. Neil is getting married to a 57 YR old and hopes to breed again.

[brunosmom]

Originally Posted by Jeri Cunningham

OK their in a 12 by 12 chain link enclosure with a large house attached to his house and hooked up to his air conditioning. The have misters for the outside part as it gets really hot. I actually asked him why they don't live in the house and he was afraid they would bond to him or him to them. Time got away from him and boom they kept getting older. Normally they are in the house and out at 12 to 16 weeks to new homes. Also he only has the one unfixed male (the father/stud) and with 4 other males growing up in the house may have caused fighting.

My problem is they have been on puppyfind for quite awhile now and no one has gotten them even at the great price. I worry they are not going to get as much love as I would want them to have. Maybe because I'm with mine 24/7 I care.

Spanky has been with us a week last Wednesday and it is so cute how he follows me around like I will dissapear if he looks away. I'm hoping he will be more secure later.

I just think all dogs need to live inside the house but I don't see Neil as being BAD in this case. Believe me I'm the kind that jumps in and has a fit if dogs are mistreated so I did ask lots of question. Neil is getting married to a 57 YR old and hopes to breed again.

Do u have the link 4 puppyfind where the dogs are listed?

[scrapindee]

Did you meet Neil or is this information about his house and layout being relayed to you?? I do not beleive the dogs are outside because they are afraid of "attaching" to the puppies. Puppies, especially small breeds, do not deserve to be outside--there is just way too many things that can happen outside. Is this the only breed he has????

And just another thought, there are 3 clubs and just as many forums that Neil could have contacted about his puppies. Something is not right here.

I know you want to "rescue" these puppies but where are the sire and the dam to these puppies. Is he going to have more litters? When you "rescue" dogs from unsavory environments, doesn't it encourage the people to repeat their behavors--after all, they were able to sell the puppies.

[Jeri Cunningham]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

Did you meet Neil or is this information about his house and layout being relayed to you?? I do not beleive the dogs are outside because they are afraid of "attaching" to the puppies. Puppies, especially small breeds, do not deserve to be outside--there is just way too many things that can happen outside. Is this the only breed he has????

And just another thought, there are 3 clubs and just as many forums that Neil could have contacted about his puppies. Something is not right here.

I know you want to "rescue" these puppies but where are the sire and the dam to these puppies. Is he going to have more litters? When you "rescue" dogs from unsavory environments, doesn't it encourage the people to repeat their behavors--after all, they were able to sell the puppies.

Maybe I didn't explain it well. The puppies are in a fully enclosed 12 x12 chain link enclosure with a house inside attached to the guys house and is hooked up to his AC. I fully agree they should not be outside thats why I want to get them good homes. The guy had some bad luck thats all. He never had the dogs outside before. He only has Biewers and Parti yorkies.
As I said:
Time got away from him and boom they kept getting older. Normally they are in the house and out at 12 to 16 weeks to new homes. Also he only has the one unfixed male (the father/stud) and with 4 other males growing up in the house may have caused fighting.
He may breed again after he gets married in Oct. but I didn't get too personal. I think I am a good judge of people and he contacted me three times to check on Spanky since I got him. On the other hand Darla's breeder hasn't even sent for the papers yet and after many requests I still haven't gotten the promised pictures. And she seemed very nice and I spent over three hours at her house in two visits. You just never know for sure.

Oh I also had 4 references from people that got dogs from Neil. One person who I forgot who now, said she had seen his home before he had the dog run built last year but said it was an awesome environment and he showed her the plans for the run he was putting in. It was done for his dogs to be able to go out and be safe but they live in the house with him.

[erickajm]

I am completely in the opposite direction...wish I could help!

[YorkieChick1]

Andrea, I hope this all works out for you and Harley gets a new brother!!

[LuvnmyYorkie]

Thank you everyone who remained supportive, but it turns out I am not going to be getting one of these guys afterall. Its just not the right time for me. I appreciate your concerns Dee and Elaine, but as Jeri said, Neil is not a bad breeder and I may have made it sound worse than it was and that is my fault.