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Old 11-05-2007, 03:32 PM   #1
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Default Shipping to Canada; a rant

I have to rant! If you have ever shipped a parcel to a Canadian, please read on.

Today I received a package of Dog Bows from a Vendor in the US. The bundle cost me $15. plus $3.50 for shipping. It was sent USPS. When the mailman arrived at my door, he wanted $17.56 in Customs Taxes and Handling fees. At today’s exchange rate, that was 30 cents more than I had paid for the bows and the shipping combined!

Sounds silly and it was. The Vendor had inflated the Value on the Customs form to $100. She thought she was doing me a favor. In case it got lost, we could claim all that in Insurance! I’ve also had Vendors add shipping and handling fees to the Customs Declaration thinking that if lost, the extra amount would pay to re-ship!

I do a lot of ordering and shipping from the States and now with our dollar being so high, so are more and more Canadians. Because of that, I thought I would share what I have learned over the years. If any others would like to weigh-in with their experiences, please do. I’m honestly not trying to be negative; just trying to help.

First of all, that ‘Declared Amount’ on the little green form is the amount that Canada Customs uses to determine Taxes and Duty.

Duty varies depending on the classification of an item but a good rule of thumb seems to be around 10%. Fortunately, many Dog related items are duty-free.

If a fee is to be charged, Canada Customs adds on their ‘Handling Fee’ or Brokerage Charge. I found the chart below somewhere on the ‘Net and, in my experience, it is fairly accurate.


Estimated Canadian Brokerage Charges:

$0-20
No Charge
$20.01-$40
$5.75
$40.01-$75
$13.50
$75.01-$100
$17.25
$100.01-$200
$25.50
$200.01-$350
$33.75
$350.01-$500
$37.50
$500.01-$750
$42.25
$750.01-$1000
$47.25
$1000.01-$1250
$53.00
$1250.01-$1600
$56.25

Then, there are taxes. We all pay a GST (Goods & Services Tax) which is currently at 6%. On January 1, 2008, that is being lowered to 5%. I’ve never figured out what value will trigger Taxes. Lower values seem to slide through tax-free.

Next, there are Provincial Sales taxes (PST). That varies by province as you can see from the chart below. Even how it is calculated varies!

Provincial Sales Tax Rates:

British Columbia 7%
Alberta no PST
Saskatchewan 5%
Manitoba 7%
Ontario 8%
Québec 7.5% (1)
Newfoundland and Labrador 14% HST
Nova Scotia 14% HST
New Brunswick 14% HST
Prince Edward Island 10%
Northwest Territories no PST
Nunavut no PST
Yukon no PST

(1) The sales tax is applied to the total of the selling price plus the GST.


HST: The provinces of Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick now charge "Harmonized Sales Tax", or HST. Instead of charging a provincial retail sales tax as well as GST, only the HST is charged, at a rate of 14%.


And then, of course, there is the Carrier you send your package with. My experience has been best with USPS. It takes a little longer. (I always guesstimate 10 working days) but there aren’t usually any monetary surprises. All of the Courier companies tack on their own Handling rates with UPS being the absolute worst. I calculated one time that they were adding in the neighborhood of a 9% Handling charge to any parcel, in addition to all of the charges above!

Many people ship items and mark them as “Gifts”. Well, there are problems with that also. If it is valued at over $60. Canadian, then all of the Duty & Taxes are applicable for the full amount. If Canada Customs happens to open the parcel, which they will occasionally, and they find an Invoice inside, then all Taxes are charged, and the Vendor is fined for lying on the Customs Form! Vendors that mark an item as a ‘Gift’ and use their Company Name as the return address are just asking to have the package opened and inspected! Vendors can also be fined if they are caught under-valuing an item to save the Recipient the taxes.

OK, so I’m getting down off my soapbox, now. I hope this information is of use to others. I love cross-border shopping and I thrive on getting the best deal around, but somehow, it just isn’t such a hot deal when the Man in a Blue or Brown suit is at your door with his hand out!
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Lin -- I hope that the package I sent didn't cause any grief
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Old 11-05-2007, 03:43 PM   #3
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Ugh, I completely understand what you mean! I usually ask the seller to mark it as a gift and mark a lower value and that always helps. But there are times that some sellers won't do that, and unless it's something that I really want, I'll just try to find it somewhere else. I just bought a grooming table off of Ebay and it was sent by UPS. I had to pay $40 in brokerage fees. Only $8 of that was in taxes, and the rest was charged as brokerage fees. I wish the seller had sent it USPS.
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Oh, and I guess I'll add another rant lol....Canada Post's ridiculous shipping charges! What costs Americans $1 to send, costs Canadians $6.20 to send to the US, and even more to send within Canada! If I want to sell something for $10, most people don't want to pay $6.20 for shipping (and that's just for shipping alone, it doesn't include mailing supplies). I have quite a few things I'd like to sell, but it's not even worth it since Canada Post charges an arm and a leg
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Sometimes it is cheaper for me to mail to Canada than it is to destinations in the US. Go figure
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Thanks for the info Lin

but I'm a little confused.. could you please state which is the best way to ship to Canada
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Lin -- I hope that the package I sent didn't cause any grief
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The only grief was trying to get the package into the house without the 2 little guys grabbing it out of my hand!! Boy, they love Yorkie Yummies!
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Oh, and I guess I'll add another rant lol....Canada Post's ridiculous shipping charges! What costs Americans $1 to send, costs Canadians $6.20 to send to the US, and even more to send within Canada! If I want to sell something for $10, most people don't want to pay $6.20 for shipping (and that's just for shipping alone, it doesn't include mailing supplies). I have quite a few things I'd like to sell, but it's not even worth it since Canada Post charges an arm and a leg
I forgot all about this one! Why can't we have a 'Media Rate' too?
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Thanks for the info Lin

but I'm a little confused.. could you please state which is the best way to ship to Canada
Well, I prefer having a Vendor use USPS, even though I have to wait quite a long time. On the Customs form, they should either mark the real cost of the item (without any shipping or handling), or undervalue it a little so that I save a bit of taxes and they don't run the risk of getting fined, or if it is small, mark it as a gift but don't include an invoice. After all, we all have invoices on the computer.

Just my opinion, of course!
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That is really good to know. I have never shipped to Canada and I'd love to avoid making that mistake when I sell to my future Canadian customers

Thank you!
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but I am still alittle confused on the first post.....I normally never ship outside the US, unless someone asks and "walks" me thru what to do! Ha! I do have a great uncle leaving in Canada and I sent a pkg to him and it cost $21...the mail lady said that it was just a hair over the weight limit for being a lot cheaper....and I know to send a card up there is more too!!

How long does it normally take for a package to get to you from the US? Do "they" hold it to check it before sending it on?
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Good post! Thanks for sharing the info.
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Don't you hate it when you're like .02 grams over the limit to have the shipping a lot cheaper?? I've had packages from the US come to me anywhere between 5 days to 3 weeks. It generally takes about a week or so. They don't usually hold it unless customs decides to charge taxes on it. If that's the case, the package can get delayed for a week or more.

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but I am still alittle confused on the first post.....I normally never ship outside the US, unless someone asks and "walks" me thru what to do! Ha! I do have a great uncle leaving in Canada and I sent a pkg to him and it cost $21...the mail lady said that it was just a hair over the weight limit for being a lot cheaper....and I know to send a card up there is more too!!

How long does it normally take for a package to get to you from the US? Do "they" hold it to check it before sending it on?
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I always have the sender mark it as a gift and under $20...even if it is more...so far so good after 4 years of having stuff shipped here to me in Canada!!

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