[News] Dog fatally mauls baby in Bourbonnais

[Myslaydee]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

Another tragedy that could have been prevented! People just don't think.
That baby should have been in a crib where it would have been safe.
Sorry but who leaves a 4wk old laying in the middle of the bed alone?

Wow sad of you to make such a a comment i have three kids and ive done it before when they were babies! many mothers have i mean it wasnt like the baby fell the baby was mauled!!! Im pretty sure the mom was going back n forth checking!! This saddens me may God bless the family in this sad time

[mscat]

Originally Posted by doglvrfrombirth

I can't "make" anyone feel any certain way and I'm most certainly not trying to. We all have the right to our own opinions, yes, but form that opinion once you know the entire story. And...imagine yourself as the mother in this situation before you throw a harsh opinion, such as neglect, out there.

It's so easy to form opinions and make judgements on people we don't know. But, like I said...what if this was you, your family, your friend, your co-worker, etc., would you be so quick to form that same opinion?

You are absolutely correct... It is opinions.. > I am sorry you do not like some of what others have written.
I am and always have been an advocate for the saftey of helpless, infants and young children. I am a firm believer that it is the parents resonsibilty to take every percaution and care of their children. Nothing can change my mind about that.
I believe that if I knew the people directly involved i'd still feel the same way , because of how I believe childern need to be always supervised and not left in a a situation where they could be harmed. Granted the mother never thought one of the Huskeys' would do it, however, taking a chance for it to happen is a tragedy in itself.
Too many years of teaching, and too many horror stories , I have known and seen personally..
I agree that the dog could be returned to the rescue shelter, and not be put down. Why can't the animal go to a home where no little children reside?

[doglvrfrombirth]

Originally Posted by mscat

You are absolutely correct... It is opinions.. > I am sorry you do not like some of what others have written.
I am and always have been an advocate for the saftey of helpless, infants and young children. I am a firm believer that it is the parents resonsibilty to take every percaution and care of their children. Nothing can change my mind about that.
I believe that if I knew the people directly involved i'd still feel the same way , because of how I believe childern need to be always supervised and not left in a a situation where they could be harmed. Granted the mother never thought one of the Huskeys' would do it, however, taking a chance for it to happen is a tragedy in itself.
Too many years of teaching, and too many horror stories , I have known and seen personally..
I agree that the dog could be returned to the rescue shelter, and not be put down. Why can't the animal go to a home where no little children reside?

I, honestly, am not trying to offend anyone on here or say they are not entitled to their own opinions. I'm merely asking that those who are making quick judgements find all facts before judging. As well as, thinking about how they would feel. However....just thinking about how you would feel if you knew someone in this situation is not the same as actually KNOWING them or being attached in some way. It is terrible. It is tragic. It was a freak accident. I just want those accusing the mother to think of themselves in this situation and how pained you would be already, and then to possibly find comments like these on the internet by strangers....people who do not know you and know nothing about you.

Here's an analogy for you all....celebrities. All we really know about celebrities is what is reported in trashy magazines. Does that make it true? And then is it OK for us to judge them for a situation that we, essentially, know nothing about? And then once we DO make those judgements, how do we feel when we find out weeks later that the story that was reported didn't contain all of the facts?

It has only been one day and they have already went back on the word "maul" that they used. How do dogs carry their pups? By their necks! Most of the injuries sustained were to the baby's head...the baby wasn't torn to bits or bitten up....the baby was not mauled!

I understand where you are coming from, having seen too many incidents yourself...but again I have to ask....would any mother on here want this type of judgement passed onto them? Seriously?!

[LauraLove]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

Another tragedy that could have been prevented! People just don't think.
That baby should have been in a crib where it would have been safe.
Sorry but who leaves a 4wk old laying in the middle of the bed alone?

I was thinkin the saaaame thing....

[LauraLove]

It also makes me wonder how far away the bedroom was from the kitchen had she not even known anything was going on in the bedroom. This is very sad but parents need to be extremely careful. There was a lady on my block who's baby was napping on the mother's bed and fell between the gap between the bed and the wall and was suffocated. I feel very sorry for this family and Im sure the mother feels great remorse

[lreed]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

Another tragedy that could have been prevented! People just don't think.
That baby should have been in a crib where it would have been safe.
Sorry but who leaves a 4wk old laying in the middle of the bed alone?

I agree 100 percent with Archie. With children, and most especially with infants, safety first is ALWAYS the rule. Now, everyone has to pay....the dog first (probably will be put down), and the family for years to come. Until children are old enough to fend for themselves, they should never be left alone where a dog or cat can get to them. That's as much for the safety of the animal as the infant.

[doglvrfrombirth]

Originally Posted by lreed

I agree 100 percent with Archie. With children, and most especially with infants, safety first is ALWAYS the rule. Now, everyone has to pay....the dog first (probably will be put down), and the family for years to come. Until children are old enough to fend for themselves, they should never be left alone where a dog or cat can get to them. That's as much for the safety of the animal as the infant.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. Archie said, "people just don't think." I'm pretty sure the mother thought the babies would be safe, otherwise she wouldn't have left them on the bed. "That baby should have been in a crib where it would have been safe." Do you know how unsafe cribs actually are? Especially to newborns? Newborns are supposed to be in cradles or bassinets, correct? "Sorry but who leaves a 4 wk old laying in the middle of the bed alone?" Read through this thread....there have been several mothers who stated that they have left their babies lying in the bed. Ask around to mothers that you know, I bet they will say the same thing. I know that every mother I have asked so far did.

And, yes, everyone does have to pay. However, it's the family first. They are the ones who have lost their baby girl. The dog hasn't even been put down yet. Not to mention....this family owned these dogs long before the babies arrived, therefore, these dogs WERE their children. So, essentially, this family is suffering two losses.

[AvyQuinn]

Originally Posted by doglvrfrombirth

Read through this thread....there have been several mothers who stated that they have left their babies lying in the bed. Ask around to mothers that you know, I bet they will say the same thing. I know that every mother I have asked so far did.

Just because people do it doesn't make it SAFE and doesn't make it OK, and doesn't make it infallible! It doesn't mean something bad can't happen just because your mom did it and her mom did it, etc. In this case it wasn't safe. The mother may have been thinking (that it would be just fine) but she sure as heck wasn't thinking like she SHOULD have been. What COULD happen and how can I protect my babies from all the potential things that COULD happen before the unthinkable DOES happen.

[doglvrfrombirth]

Originally Posted by AvyQuinn

Just because people do it doesn't make it SAFE and doesn't make it OK, and doesn't make it infallible! It doesn't mean something bad can't happen just because your mom did it and her mom did it, etc. In this case it wasn't safe. The mother may have been thinking (that it would be just fine) but she sure as heck wasn't thinking like she SHOULD have been. What COULD happen and how can I protect my babies from all the potential things that COULD happen before the unthinkable DOES happen.

I'm pretty sure all mothers with an ounce of sanity and love for their children DO think that way. This was a tragic ACCIDENT. The police have already stated that neglect nor child endangerment were the case here.

So, I guess it's safe to say that all of you making these harsh judgements are mothers or parents whose children have never been harmed in ANY way, shape, or form while in your care? No bumps on the head? No getting hit by another sibling? No falling down while learning to walk? Because if your children have suffered ANY type of harm while in your care then as AvyQuinn says, "You sure as heck weren't thinking like you SHOULD have been. What COULD have happened and how could you protect your babies from all the potential things that COULD have happened before the unthinkable DID happen", right?

[AvyQuinn]

What resulted in this case was loss of life.
Not a bump on the head, not a skinned knee, not even a broken bone.

Don`t take my words out of context... things happen even under the most watchful eye. Her eye wasn`t being so watchful... what did she really expect leaving two babies unattended? This is the case and the event in question. She wasn`t watching her newborns like she should have been and something happened. Regrettable? Yes. Preventable? Absolutely!

Anyway, I feel like this is going in circles lol and I seem to get drawn into things on this board. Let`s agree to disagree. I don`t think anything new can be said so I will spare everyone any further drivel on my part.

[doglvrfrombirth]

Yes, the loss of a life is much more severe than a bump on the head or skinned knee. The point I'm trying to make here is that no matter what the injury/tragedy that happens to a child while under their parents care is not necessarily the parents fault.

I understand these are people's opinions, but I'm sorry....I can't just sit back and watch people say such hurtful and hateful things regarding a situation that they, essentially, know nothing about.

I guess what I'm getting at is.....

People in glass houses......
Do unto others.......
If you have nothing nice to say.......

While this situation may not directly compare to less severe situations, my words remain the same....I pray that those of you passing such harsh judgement never find yourselves in a situation where you would be judged this way.

And again....I'm not meaning to offend anyone here, nor disrespect their opinions. But, I felt the need to comment because offensive judgements were being made toward people that these people know nothing about.

[doglvrfrombirth]

And I must also ask....how watchful is the eye of the mother that leaves the baby asleep in the crib, even though she is in the other room with the baby monitor sitting next to her? Are mothers supposed to NEVER leave their children out of sight? Must they sit and watch over the baby while it is sleeping? When will the mother ever sleep or clean the house or do laundry or cook dinner? It's not practical nor sensible to say that the mother is in the wrong for not hovering over the babies at ALL times. What about the mother who has the baby sitting on the couch, turns to answer the phone and the baby falls off the couch? Again, not as severe as the loss of life, but still the same concept. Because, just WHAT IF, that baby fell on it's head, lost consciousness and never regained it? Is that mother in the wrong for turning for ONE SECOND to answer her phone? It is not possible to have your eyes on your children at EVERY SECOND of their lives.

[YORKIE_mom_2008]

Originally Posted by doglvrfrombirth

And I must also ask....how watchful is the eye of the mother that leaves the baby asleep in the crib, even though she is in the other room with the baby monitor sitting next to her? Are mothers supposed to NEVER leave their children out of sight? Must they sit and watch over the baby while it is sleeping? When will the mother ever sleep or clean the house or do laundry or cook dinner? It's not practical nor sensible to say that the mother is in the wrong for not hovering over the babies at ALL times. What about the mother who has the baby sitting on the couch, turns to answer the phone and the baby falls off the couch? Again, not as severe as the loss of life, but still the same concept. Because, just WHAT IF, that baby fell on it's head, lost consciousness and never regained it? Is that mother in the wrong for turning for ONE SECOND to answer her phone? It is not possible to have your eyes on your children at EVERY SECOND of their lives.

excellent posting!

[yorkiesmiles]

Originally Posted by doglvrfrombirth

And I must also ask....how watchful is the eye of the mother that leaves the baby asleep in the crib, even though she is in the other room with the baby monitor sitting next to her? Are mothers supposed to NEVER leave their children out of sight? Must they sit and watch over the baby while it is sleeping? When will the mother ever sleep or clean the house or do laundry or cook dinner? It's not practical nor sensible to say that the mother is in the wrong for not hovering over the babies at ALL times. What about the mother who has the baby sitting on the couch, turns to answer the phone and the baby falls off the couch? Again, not as severe as the loss of life, but still the same concept. Because, just WHAT IF, that baby fell on it's head, lost consciousness and never regained it? Is that mother in the wrong for turning for ONE SECOND to answer her phone? It is not possible to have your eyes on your children at EVERY SECOND of their lives.

What brought you to YT?? It seems you are just here to stir up trouble. You say you are connected this situation in Illinois - go use your time comforting this family or reaching out to the shelter where this dog is. Stop inflaming evryone's comments. You are taking this thread way off topic.

And to answer your questions above, YES! A mother is responsible for their child you do not leave a child in harms way to answer the phone or do anything else. Care of th child is 1st. Cribs are made to keep sleeping child safe from a whole range of things.

Infants should never be left on a parents bed unattended. On the couch while you answer the phone, etc, to all your what ifs. The mother is there to mother - it's that simple.

This is tragic either way. I feel for this family and the blame & grief they will carry.

I highly doubt this dog purposely acted to harm the baby. I am more likely to believe the dog was trying to take the baby to the mother. But we will never know.

But, I do question whether the mother is telling the entire truth. I pray she is, but so many post-depression women have created unbelievable situations and then tried to cast the blame elsewhere.

the saddest parts, a precious life has been lost. One twin will grow up without their sister. And a dog will loose its life with no proof it was aggressive

[Jacklynn]

Wow... I actually just moved to Florida from Bourbonnais. When I opened it and saw it was from Bourbonnais I was shocked... just didn't expect it.

What a sad thing! I simply can't imagine the pain.