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04-16-2007, 06:08 PM | #1 |
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| Calcium Oxalate Stones And Diet My 5 year old neutered male Yorkie recently had a calcium oxalate stone surgically removed fromhis urethra. The vet recommended Science Diet u/d. Reading the label is very upsetting. The first 3 ingredients (in order) are 1) Brewers Rice, Corn Starch, and 3) 17.5% minimum Pork Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid). I would like to start a discussion on alternatives to this food. I am especially concerned about the above 1'st three items (not to mention the chemicals later on inthe label. Would someone with a more palatable alternative please reply to my. Thanks in advance. R. Tracy rlt-43557@yahoo.com SCIENCE DIET u/d Product Characteristics Protein Low Calcium Low Phosphorus Low Sodium Low Taurine Added Carnitine High Omega 3 fatty acids Increased Soluble Dietary Fiber Added Added Antioxidants Help reduce free radical damage to counteract oxidative stress Dietary Buffering Capacity Increased Target Urine pH Alkaline (7.1 ? 7.7)* *Urine pH of individual dogs may vary due to complicating factors such as time of feeding before urine collection, type of urine collection, individual animal variation, and test methodology. Metabolizable Energy? (Caloric Content) Dry 4015 kcal/kg (396 kcal/per cup ? ) ?Measurement of Usable Energy in a food, which differs substantially from gross caloric content. ? An eight fluid oz. measuring cup of u/d? Canine contains 3.5 oz. by weight. Average Nutrient Contents Nutrient Nutrient Guarantee % As Fed1 % Dry Matter2 % As Fed, Caloric Basis3 g/100 kcal Protein 8.0 min 9.3 10.1 2.3 Fat 17.5 min 19.0 20.5 4.7 Carbohydrate (NFE) 59.6 64.4 14.8 Crude Fiber 3.0 max 2.1 2.3 0.5 mg/100 kcal3 Calcium 0.20 min 0.30 0.32 75 Phosphorus 0.10 min 0.18 0.19 45 Sodium 0.20 0.22 50 Potassium 0.50 0.54 125 Magnesium 0.043 0.046 11 Taurine 0.09 min 0.10 0.11 25 Carnitine 150 ppm min 278 ppm 301 ppm 7 Omega-3 Fatty Acids Total 0.68 0.74 169 ?Differs from label guarantees which are either maximums or minimums. ?The nutrient in the product after moisture is removed. It is used to make direct comparisons of nutrient profiles of products with differing moisture contents. ?Nutrient intake for every 100 kilocalories consumed. Ingredients Brewers Rice, Corn Starch, Pork Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Dried Egg Product, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken Liver Flavor, Flaxseed, Soy Fiber, Potassium Citrate, Soybean Oil, Calcium Carbonate, Iodized Salt, Choline Chloride, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, preserved with BHT and BHA, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganous Oxide, Sodium Selenite, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate), L-Tryptophan, L-Carnitine, Beta- Carotene. |
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04-17-2007, 07:18 PM | #2 |
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| I will bump this for you. I am interested to know also, maybe a homemade recipe that would help. |
04-17-2007, 07:26 PM | #3 |
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| I posted on the other thread you started regarding this and posted some good website and good info.
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04-17-2007, 07:52 PM | #4 |
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| I read it and thanks very much. |
04-17-2007, 07:58 PM | #5 |
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| no problem
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07-03-2007, 07:47 PM | #6 |
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| What food are you currently feeding? I am having the same issues you were having back in April. I noticed your thread on the yorkietalk.com Our vet prescribed Hills Pres Diet W/D with adding 1 teas of potassium nitrate granules and I am hesitant to start feeding this to my yorkie Samie. I have a yorkie who recently developed calcium oxalate crystals in her urine. Back in Feb she (I believe, she developed allergies) from Purina Vet Pres Diet-NF formula. I changed her food abruptly to Canidae after finding that a lot of people on the forum fed Canidae. I couldn’t continue feeding a food that was upsetting my dog both when she ate and after she had a bowel movement. And I couldn’t just stop feeding her either so I had to do something quick. The foods main ingredient in the Purina vet pres NF diet: was “corn” and yes also not a lot of impressive ingredients… I also had changed vets in the process of these problems. My old vet said the scooting and crying was b/c of anal glands… well this went on for 8 mos and I got fed up and found a new vet. Anyways- just wanted to give you a little more info. I am hesitant to give another “corn” based food and wondering what you ended up finding out about other alternatives? |
07-04-2007, 10:49 AM | #7 |
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| it is quite a challenge. in the meantime i need to feed something and until i have more info on this hills pres diet i will not give to my dog. it was like i was poisoning her on the purina pres diet nf formula. I don't know what exactly she was allergic too but the first ingredient was corn. i am VERy hesitant to give her another food made from corn again. don't want to watch her go through what she did from the other food. i find it hard to believe that no one out here experiencing the same thing out of all of the members- no one has ever developed crystals or been put on a special diet??? she is feeling much better on the canidae but she cannot be on this for long. i need to find somthing quick to help her. something w/o corn and i am not having ANY luck. |
07-06-2007, 04:27 PM | #8 |
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| Calcium Oxallate Stones/Force Liquids My 5 year old neutered male yorkie had a calcium oxalate stone surgically removed from his os penis/urethra area in April, 2007. The vet put him on Science Diet u/d exclusively. Well let me tell you--the ingredients are gross and he hates the stuff. I believe in quality of life and not just keeping him alive by him going into the starvation mode. I couldn't stand to witness it. Therefore, I am following 1/2 of the vets advice. I am making my own dog food and using the 50/50 approach. I get a large package of chicken breasts with rib meat attached and an inexpensive beef steak. I add about 2 1/2 quarts of distilled water and simmer in my crock pot. After discarding bones and skin, I add cooked white potatoes or cooked pasta (or rice), canned unsalted peas, and put the crock pot in the refrigerator until it is cold enough to skim off most (not all) of the fat, keeping the broth. I puree the completed product and place in pint size Tupperware containers and freeze until needed. About 10 minutes before feeding time, I pour distilled water over some dry science diet. When the liquid is absorbed I stir in the pureed mixture. He has never been a water drinker and I believe this is part of his problem. I keep him urinating a lot more frequently since his surgery. I won't say this is for everyone but I notice no worsening of his symptoms with the routine. I hope this helps. One batch lasts about six weeks. |
07-06-2007, 05:17 PM | #9 | |
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hi and thanks for responding! WOW! that seems like a great diet. What kind of dry food are you using. do you know approximately what the values of phosphorus, magnesium and calcium would be in something home made? the vet stressed to me today that these particular things would have to be LOW. There is a list on line of low oxalate foods. It mades sense to combine a bunch of them and cook, puree and then freeze. I am so desperate. If I have to cook her food, i will. I bet your dog LOVES the homemade mixed in with the dry. have you seen the low oxalate foods? I know for sure "peas" is listed on there b/c i clearly remember seeing it on the list. Potatoes were on the list also. :-) | |
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