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07-09-2015, 04:53 PM | #1 |
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| How much fat is generally ok? Balance it without grains Lola is 2 years old, 7-8lbs, spayed, and a bit overweight. She doesn't have any health problems. She's currently eating fresh pet and health extensions dry food. I tried Balance it for a few days before, without the vitamins, and Lola wouldn't eat all the carbs it called for. She will eat sweet potatos, rice, etc but only very small amounts, like 1/4 of what they called for. I was looking into doing it again, with just meat and veggies, but I'm afraid the fat is too high, it was like 30-50%. If I chose lean meat like chicken breast it wanted me to add a good bit of oil. For reference Stella and chewy's is 35% fat. I was also thinking of feeding her 1/2 balance it and 1/2 dry food to lessen the fat. Experiences? Thoughts? I will talk to my vet, but in my experience vets and people doctors know very little about nutrition. |
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07-10-2015, 09:17 AM | #2 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Same here...in terms of vet's experience w/ nutrition...very, very minimal at best! In doing some research, it seems that you can safely go as low as 10-15% in fat and still be okay. I wouldn't hesitate to try the combo of adding some dry, especially if it gets her to eat.
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07-10-2015, 09:34 AM | #3 |
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| At petdiets.com you can ask the vet nutritionist questions, you could try that.
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07-10-2015, 09:54 AM | #4 |
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| Balance It will answer any questions you have. They have a vet nutritionist. With homecooking there is sometimes more food than they are used to eating. With mine, I mix everything up really well so they cannot separate meat from the carbs. I mash it! Email: For general questions: info@balanceit.com For orders/shipment questions: info@balanceit.com For recipes and formulation questions: nutrition@balanceit.com For questions from users in the European Union (EU): EU@balanceit.com For Balance IT® Natural Veterinary Food (kibble) questions: naturalvetfood@balanceit.com Please email us if you do not speak English. Thank you. Phone: Toll-Free: 1-888-346-6362 (within the United States) Telephone: 1-530-756-DVMC (3862) Calls may be recorded for training and quality purposes. Please use email to contact us if you do not speak English. Thank you. Fax: 1-530-756-DVMFax (3863) Office Hours: M-F on non-US holidays 9-5:00 PM PT. Please leave a message as we may be assisting someone else when you call.
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07-10-2015, 10:04 AM | #5 |
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| Personally I keep fat lower for my yorkies. I have had two dogs get pancreatitis from about 22-24%. I would check out the balance it auto balancer where you can play with fat amounts. I have my dog Winston on a petdiets diet that is higher protein, moderate fat and carbs. While I really like BalanceIt, I like the supplement recommended by petdiets for healthy dogs better and I like the diets from petdiets better. They're $25 (or less if you buy more than one at the same time).
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07-10-2015, 10:16 AM | #6 | ||
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| Thanks everyone, I'll try calling balance it, I just wasn't sure if they'd know about yorkies being prone to pancreatitis. Quote:
I was thinking about giving her 1/4 of a serving of balance it food as breakfast and 1/4 for dinner and she could eat dry as she pleases for the rest of her food to lower the overall fat. Quote:
She had an upset stomach about 2 months ago so I made her chicken and rice, I had to pour chicken juice (the water that came out, not fat) over it to get her to touch the rice. She still picked the chicken out and left most of the rice. | ||
07-10-2015, 10:34 AM | #7 | |
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| Here's a recipe example, the quantities are for a 35lb dog. It seems like the high carb one is the only one with an ok amount of fat. High carb 117g 95% beef, 525g sweet potato, 8.5g corn oil, 156g broccoli 21% protein, 19% fat, 60% carbs Moderate carb 149g 95% beef, 375g sweet potato, 22g oil, 117g broccoli 23% protein, 35% fat, 42% carb Low carb 266g 95% beef, 200g sweet potato, 19g oil, 58.5g broccoli 38% protein, 39% fat, 23% carb Quote:
I tried playing with it, but I keep ending up with tons of carbs or like 35% fat. Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm leery about spending $25 on something she may not eat. | |
07-10-2015, 11:07 AM | #8 |
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| That's more fat than I would feed. Here are my diets for my 4 yo Winston so you can compare. Chicken (dark meat) w/ peas and a veggie mix: 45% protein, 12% fat and 12% fiber Beef and sweet potatoes w/ veggies 23% protein, 18% fat and 4% fiber Salmon & Sweet potatoes w/veggies 23% protein, 19% fat and 4% fiber
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07-10-2015, 11:17 AM | #9 |
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| Lola, I ran the autobalancer for you and adjusted it for your dog. This is what I got: The following homemade recipe was specially created for a 8 lb healthy adult dog who requires 258 Calories per day. The following recipe provides 266 Calories, enough for 1 day. HOMEMADE PET FOOD RECIPE Ingredients Grams Amount (1) Beef, ground, 95% lean meat / 5% fat, patty, cooked, pan-broiled 56.7 g 2 oz (2) Sweetpotato, cooked, baked in skin, without salt (BalanceIT.com; flesh fed only) 175.0 g 7/8 of a cup (3) Oil, corn, industrial and retail, all purpose salad or cooking 1.7 g 1/8 of a tbsp You MUST also add the following supplement(s) to prevent essential nutrient deficiencies: 1 5/8 teaspoons (3.25 gram) of Balance IT® Canine once a day 1 bottle of Balance IT® Canine will last about 184 days Per Above Recipe: 266 Calories; 27% protein calories (72 Calories); 18% fat calories (48 Calories); 55% carbohydrate calories (146 Calories); 73.2% moisture
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07-10-2015, 11:31 AM | #10 |
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| Thank you, I know how to adjust for her weight, but the website isn't working well for me right now. Btw Lola is my dog. There's no way she'd eat that much sweet potato, she's just not that into carbs, she won't even eat crackers, pretzels, etc. but if you lower carbs you have to increase fat and protein, which has risks. Her freshpet food has 10% fat and 6% protein, I need to find something else because she's getting pickier with it and they've had issues with mold lately (I cut the whole roll at once and carefully check it). |
07-10-2015, 12:21 PM | #11 |
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| Good luck!
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07-10-2015, 01:11 PM | #12 | |
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Our History Founded in 2003 by Sean Delaney, DVM, MS, Diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition (DACVN), Davis Veterinary Medical (DVM) Consulting, Inc. developed and supports the full range of Balance IT® clinical nutrition solutions. Since 2005, Balance IT® online formulation software and supplements have been used by thousands of veterinarians to provide custom recipes for healthy and sick pets. From this vast experience, we recognized a need for a natural commercially prepared solution and launched the Balance IT® Natural Veterinary Food line in 2013. Our recipes and feeding instructions, formulation software, and products are trusted by thousands of veterinarians and clinically active board certified veterinary nutritionists, because they are comprehensive and account for the many important nutrients dogs and cats need. Our Founder Sean Delaney, DVM, MS, DACVN is a board certified veterinary nutritionist who held an academic faculty position at UC Davis between 2003-2013, headed R&D for Natura Pet Products, Inc. (makers of EVO, Innova, & California Natural) through its acquisition by Procter & Gamble and prior to it joining Mars Petcare, and co-edited/co-authored a leading textbook on veterinary clinical nutrition. He is also the former Board Chair of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition and a regular speaker on veterinary nutrition nationally and internationally.
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