Commercial dog foods you may want to avoid ( And why that might be true)

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Cindy_17

Wow, way to keep it classy ladies...btw if I did not make myself clear I have done research of my own, that is what caused me to strike up a conversation with this woman. I approached her. Anywho, you girls have a lovely day, remember you can win more flies with honey...

No one was nasty to you. And unless you are a vet nutritionist or when through there training your not going to know what is truly best. Look at it this way an apple may be great for us humans and see great to us but it may not be so great to our pups. They have different systems then us and different needs.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Cindy_17

Wow, way to keep it classy ladies...btw if I did not make myself clear I have done research of my own, that is what caused me to strike up a conversation with this woman. I approached her. Anywho, you girls have a lovely day, remember you can win more flies with honey...

If we were slopping any more "honey" on this thread, we would ALL be glued to the floor!!!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Cindy_17

Wow, way to keep it classy ladies...btw if I did not make myself clear I have done research of my own, that is what caused me to strike up a conversation with this woman. I approached her. Anywho, you girls have a lovely day, remember you can win more flies with honey...

OK, how about you tell us where you did this research and share some of it with us.

I don't get your sarcasm....no one did anything but make valid points in this discussion.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

If we were slopping any more "honey" on this thread, we would ALL be glued to the floor!!!

LOL you do have a way with words.

[smelcerk]

This thread brings to mind the mommy bashing video I saw on fb where all the different mommy and daddy groups came to the park with their babies and their posturing about their way (working mommy's, stay-at-home mommy's, stay-at-home daddy's, work out mommy's, cookie baking mommy's) being the best and only way. Then the baby rolled down the hill toward the lake and every single person in that park ran as fast as they could to save that baby. Same thing. We all have the same goal. To love and raise the best and healthiest babies we can. There are many paths to the top of that mountain. Your way is not the ONLY way. I pledge to chase your baby to that lake and hope you would all do the same for my baby. That is what Yorkie Talk means to me. By the way, I did not breast feed. Evil Enfamil. Any takers?

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by smelcerk

This thread brings to mind the mommy bashing video I saw on fb where all the different mommy and daddy groups came to the park with their babies and their posturing about their way (working mommy's, stay-at-home mommy's, stay-at-home daddy's, work out mommy's, cookie baking mommy's) being the best and only way. Then the baby rolled down the hill toward the lake and every single person in that park ran as fast as they could to save that baby. Same thing. We all have the same goal. To love and raise the best and healthiest babies we can. There are many paths to the top of that mountain. Your way is not the ONLY way. I pledge to chase your baby to that lake and hope you would all do the same for my baby. That is what Yorkie Talk means to me. By the way, I did not breast feed. Evil Enfamil. Any takers?

The thread started out in a way to bash dog food companies, some of which a few of us use. I honestly don't see anyone bashing anyone. I see people providing factual information.....AND supporting a couple of the companies that were listed as being those to avoid.

[MMartinson]

am wondering what to feed my baby girl......she is turning her nose up to the Blue Mountain whatever .....it's what her last owner fed her and she is not eating it at all.....hate to give wet food all the time, but she is so picky.......help!!!!!!

[oneofakind864]

Originally Posted by smelcerk

This thread brings to mind the mommy bashing video I saw on fb where all the different mommy and daddy groups came to the park with their babies and their posturing about their way (working mommy's, stay-at-home mommy's, stay-at-home daddy's, work out mommy's, cookie baking mommy's) being the best and only way. Then the baby rolled down the hill toward the lake and every single person in that park ran as fast as they could to save that baby. Same thing. We all have the same goal. To love and raise the best and healthiest babies we can. There are many paths to the top of that mountain. Your way is not the ONLY way. I pledge to chase your baby to that lake and hope you would all do the same for my baby. That is what Yorkie Talk means to me. By the way, I did not breast feed. Evil Enfamil. Any takers?

Smelcerk....I LOVE YOU! Thank you for seeing through all the differing opinions offered and getting to the heart of the matter.

Can I also say...there might be more than ONE "Right way" of doing things.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by oneofakind864

Smelcerk....I LOVE YOU! Thank you for seeing through all the differing opinions offered and getting to the heart of the matter.

Can I also say...there might be more than ONE "Right way" of doing things.

Yes, there are always different ways. The point here is that you didn't start this thread to allow for that. You started out giving a lengthy list of foods to avoid feeding our pups....and many people may be feeding one or more of those on your list. Matter of fact I DO feed one of those foods and for my pups it is "right". So...clearly you are not allowing for the fact that there IS more than one way that is right.

[oneofakind864]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Yes, there are always different ways. The point here is that you didn't start this thread to allow for that. You started out giving a lengthy list of foods to avoid feeding our pups....and many people may be feeding one or more of those on your list. Matter of fact I DO feed one of those foods and for my pups it is "right". So...clearly you are not allowing for the fact that there IS more than one way that is right.

Apparently not clearly at all

I started out by saying I had received the list and some YT readers "MIGHT"want to avoid these foods for the reasons listed. I found the list interesting and figured others might as well. I didn't say it was the "Doggie Nutritional gospel" But I also said some of the reasons to avoid some of the brands "To me" were not that valid or big of a deal. ... things like "powdered eggs" or "dried eggs" which is why Royal Canin was on the list and seems to be the sticking point as many YT posters use the brand. It was just information to allow people to think about what is actually in their pets food and make their own decisions. I am feeding my puppy one of the foods on the list. (Royal Canin) but it DID make me take a second look at that one and some of the other foods. And I will be consulting with an animal nutritionist to discuss my concerns and to see if some of the "Suggested" options "Might" be better foods to give my dog.

I am especially grateful to the person who suggested the Everyday Hill formula and will definitely ask about that one. The thread was to provoke thoughts and opinions. I think some of the posters were not very nice to the cindy lady who said she was grateful for the post..and IMO they came down on her and me in a very condescending manner. But that seems to happen frequently on posts here. I know it does to me. But hey..whatever.

Everyone is free to feed their dogs whatever they like..and again. Some of the reasons some of these brands were included could be more important to other readers on YT than it is to all those who have a problem with the post. So it doesn't have to be a "Science" vs " Holistic/Natural" thing which is the way most of the posters came off sounding ..."Either or" . I think both sides may have some merit and personally will most likely end up somewhere between ,as will many of the readers who are most likely too afraid to stick their 2 cents worth in for fear of getting their heads snapped off for possibly having a differing opinion.

I'm not a quack for feeling that both natural and scientific approaches have validity.

Do I take Antibiotics and medications when I am sick? Yeah... but there isn't isn't anything wrong with Drinking Chamomile Tea before bed, scenting your pillow with lavender to relax, or taking melatonin either. ALso don't think meditation is a bad thing either. Do I believe Crystals can cure a headache? No..but for some...they may have a placebo affect and help their headache. And yeah I like Chicken Soup when I have a sore throat and also drinks lots of OJ but it doesn't take the place of a visit to the doctor or decongestants, cough syrup or other meds. But that is a personal decision I would never be condescending to anyone who believes holistic is the way to go and takes that approach to health. Like I said. Both sides have merit and a healthy balance most likely lies somewhere in the middle. Dog owners who choose to feed their dogs "natural ingredients" versus a" Scientific formula" are not quacks..nor are they wrong. And NEITHER are those who choose to go that scientific route. All any of us can do is make the best decision based on the information we have available to us. New info may cause a change in that decision. It doesn't make the original decision wrong. This thread was simply meant to be POSSIBLY "New information" Based on the over 800 views and less than 60 comments..I'd say there are LOTS of interested parties.

People need to either learn to be nicer to each other on this site.. or they need to learn to communicate more effectively and politely. You are all well within your rights to dismiss the writer of the article as "not a valid source of information" as he doesn't hold a degree as a vet or nutritionist. . But he was a pet owner who lost his pet at a young age to cancer and who wanted to know WHY a 4 year old dog got cancer. He did a lot of digging based on that passion, love and dedication to his dog. The list sprang from that. He may not be a "Animal nutritionist" but he obviously put a lot of thought and research into his lists. He is definitely a go getter and intelligent person to invest that much time and effort into finding a possible answer to a question he felt strongly about. And based on my private messages, I'm not the only one who is interested in his findings. And it will never hurt to take that list to a "Certified expert- vet or nutritionist" and ask SPECIFICALLY about the points he made that otherwise- most would probably never think to ask.

Many people come to this site asking for information..and I have seen the standard answer " Ask your vet" or other certified expert thrown back in almost every case. That usually costs $50 or more depending on the info they are seeking. Some people can't afford to shell out $50 to ask their vet or a animal nutritionist "What food is best for my dog" SO instead of leaving them floundering at the supermarket wondering what to buy. Let's help them out...in a nice way, by giving them all of our individual opinions and allowing them to make their decision based on the points we bring up. We can do that without making them feel stupid for asking, not good enough to own a dog because they don't already know the answer to the question, or too cheap to give their dog proper care because they can't shell out $50 to a vet every time they have a question about kibble.

To those who brought up their personal experiences and opinions in a effort to educate.. thank you for sharing.

[107barney]

Again the list is bogus and the author is a layperson with no training or credentials to assess dog food. Why do I have to be all nicey nice to state that!? You bashed foods, you're opinionated and IMO uninformed. I think I was very nice in stating that. For 10,000 posts I've been helping people on this site and resent your little directives to alter my personality to suit you! Its you that needs to be nicer IMO.

By the way, professional advice does cost money. But you said you didn't mind spending it. I guess you do after all.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by oneofakind864

Smelcerk....I LOVE YOU! Thank you for seeing through all the differing opinions offered and getting to the heart of the matter.

Can I also say...there might be more than ONE "Right way" of doing things.

The right way of doing it, IMO, doesn't include the following.
- listening to pet store employees
- listening to a dentist with an arbitrary star system
- following lists of foods made by some layperson whose dog had cancer
- listening to other brand new owners who boast the health of a young dog (come back at age 12 and let us know if the dog is still alive)

I'm sorry to tell you but anyone can make a list. my dogs are 15, should I make a list?

I'm continuously astounded at the willingness of owners here to just listen to whatever they read on an Internet list.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by oneofakind864

Apparently not clearly at all

I started out by saying I had received the list and some YT readers "MIGHT"want to avoid these foods for the reasons listed. I found the list interesting and figured others might as well. I didn't say it was the "Doggie Nutritional gospel" But I also said some of the reasons to avoid some of the brands "To me" were not that valid or big of a deal. ... things like "powdered eggs" or "dried eggs" which is why Royal Canin was on the list and seems to be the sticking point as many YT posters use the brand. It was just information to allow people to think about what is actually in their pets food and make their own decisions. I am feeding my puppy one of the foods on the list. (Royal Canin) but it DID make me take a second look at that one and some of the other foods. And I will be consulting with an animal nutritionist to discuss my concerns and to see if some of the "Suggested" options "Might" be better foods to give my dog.

I am especially grateful to the person who suggested the Everyday Hill formula and will definitely ask about that one. The thread was to provoke thoughts and opinions. I think some of the posters were not very nice to the cindy lady who said she was grateful for the post..and IMO they came down on her and me in a very condescending manner. But that seems to happen frequently on posts here. I know it does to me. But hey..whatever.

Everyone is free to feed their dogs whatever they like..and again. Some of the reasons some of these brands were included could be more important to other readers on YT than it is to all those who have a problem with the post. So it doesn't have to be a "Science" vs " Holistic/Natural" thing which is the way most of the posters came off sounding ..."Either or" . I think both sides may have some merit and personally will most likely end up somewhere between ,as will many of the readers who are most likely too afraid to stick their 2 cents worth in for fear of getting their heads snapped off for possibly having a differing opinion.

I'm not a quack for feeling that both natural and scientific approaches have validity.

Do I take Antibiotics and medications when I am sick? Yeah... but there isn't isn't anything wrong with Drinking Chamomile Tea before bed, scenting your pillow with lavender to relax, or taking melatonin either. ALso don't think meditation is a bad thing either. Do I believe Crystals can cure a headache? No..but for some...they may have a placebo affect and help their headache. And yeah I like Chicken Soup when I have a sore throat and also drinks lots of OJ but it doesn't take the place of a visit to the doctor or decongestants, cough syrup or other meds. But that is a personal decision I would never be condescending to anyone who believes holistic is the way to go and takes that approach to health. Like I said. Both sides have merit and a healthy balance most likely lies somewhere in the middle. Dog owners who choose to feed their dogs "natural ingredients" versus a" Scientific formula" are not quacks..nor are they wrong. And NEITHER are those who choose to go that scientific route. All any of us can do is make the best decision based on the information we have available to us. New info may cause a change in that decision. It doesn't make the original decision wrong. This thread was simply meant to be POSSIBLY "New information" Based on the over 800 views and less than 60 comments..I'd say there are LOTS of interested parties.

People need to either learn to be nicer to each other on this site.. or they need to learn to communicate more effectively and politely. You are all well within your rights to dismiss the writer of the article as "not a valid source of information" as he doesn't hold a degree as a vet or nutritionist. . But he was a pet owner who lost his pet at a young age to cancer and who wanted to know WHY a 4 year old dog got cancer. He did a lot of digging based on that passion, love and dedication to his dog. The list sprang from that. He may not be a "Animal nutritionist" but he obviously put a lot of thought and research into his lists. He is definitely a go getter and intelligent person to invest that much time and effort into finding a possible answer to a question he felt strongly about. And based on my private messages, I'm not the only one who is interested in his findings. And it will never hurt to take that list to a "Certified expert- vet or nutritionist" and ask SPECIFICALLY about the points he made that otherwise- most would probably never think to ask.

Many people come to this site asking for information..and I have seen the standard answer " Ask your vet" or other certified expert thrown back in almost every case. That usually costs $50 or more depending on the info they are seeking. Some people can't afford to shell out $50 to ask their vet or a animal nutritionist "What food is best for my dog" SO instead of leaving them floundering at the supermarket wondering what to buy. Let's help them out...in a nice way, by giving them all of our individual opinions and allowing them to make their decision based on the points we bring up. We can do that without making them feel stupid for asking, not good enough to own a dog because they don't already know the answer to the question, or too cheap to give their dog proper care because they can't shell out $50 to a vet every time they have a question about kibble.

To those who brought up their personal experiences and opinions in a effort to educate.. thank you for sharing.

One last thing, I communicate very effectively. I'm sorry you don't like my delivery, but that's too bad!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by oneofakind864

Apparently not clearly at all

I started out by saying I had received the list and some YT readers "MIGHT"want to avoid these foods for the reasons listed. I found the list interesting and figured others might as well. I didn't say it was the "Doggie Nutritional gospel" But I also said some of the reasons to avoid some of the brands "To me" were not that valid or big of a deal. ... things like "powdered eggs" or "dried eggs" which is why Royal Canin was on the list and seems to be the sticking point as many YT posters use the brand. It was just information to allow people to think about what is actually in their pets food and make their own decisions. I am feeding my puppy one of the foods on the list. (Royal Canin) but it DID make me take a second look at that one and some of the other foods. And I will be consulting with an animal nutritionist to discuss my concerns and to see if some of the "Suggested" options "Might" be better foods to give my dog.

I am especially grateful to the person who suggested the Everyday Hill formula and will definitely ask about that one. The thread was to provoke thoughts and opinions. I think some of the posters were not very nice to the cindy lady who said she was grateful for the post..and IMO they came down on her and me in a very condescending manner. But that seems to happen frequently on posts here. I know it does to me. But hey..whatever.

Everyone is free to feed their dogs whatever they like..and again. Some of the reasons some of these brands were included could be more important to other readers on YT than it is to all those who have a problem with the post. So it doesn't have to be a "Science" vs " Holistic/Natural" thing which is the way most of the posters came off sounding ..."Either or" . I think both sides may have some merit and personally will most likely end up somewhere between ,as will many of the readers who are most likely too afraid to stick their 2 cents worth in for fear of getting their heads snapped off for possibly having a differing opinion.

I'm not a quack for feeling that both natural and scientific approaches have validity.

Do I take Antibiotics and medications when I am sick? Yeah... but there isn't isn't anything wrong with Drinking Chamomile Tea before bed, scenting your pillow with lavender to relax, or taking melatonin either. ALso don't think meditation is a bad thing either. Do I believe Crystals can cure a headache? No..but for some...they may have a placebo affect and help their headache. And yeah I like Chicken Soup when I have a sore throat and also drinks lots of OJ but it doesn't take the place of a visit to the doctor or decongestants, cough syrup or other meds. But that is a personal decision I would never be condescending to anyone who believes holistic is the way to go and takes that approach to health. Like I said. Both sides have merit and a healthy balance most likely lies somewhere in the middle. Dog owners who choose to feed their dogs "natural ingredients" versus a" Scientific formula" are not quacks..nor are they wrong. And NEITHER are those who choose to go that scientific route. All any of us can do is make the best decision based on the information we have available to us. New info may cause a change in that decision. It doesn't make the original decision wrong. This thread was simply meant to be POSSIBLY "New information" Based on the over 800 views and less than 60 comments..I'd say there are LOTS of interested parties.

People need to either learn to be nicer to each other on this site.. or they need to learn to communicate more effectively and politely. You are all well within your rights to dismiss the writer of the article as "not a valid source of information" as he doesn't hold a degree as a vet or nutritionist. . But he was a pet owner who lost his pet at a young age to cancer and who wanted to know WHY a 4 year old dog got cancer. He did a lot of digging based on that passion, love and dedication to his dog. The list sprang from that. He may not be a "Animal nutritionist" but he obviously put a lot of thought and research into his lists. He is definitely a go getter and intelligent person to invest that much time and effort into finding a possible answer to a question he felt strongly about. And based on my private messages, I'm not the only one who is interested in his findings. And it will never hurt to take that list to a "Certified expert- vet or nutritionist" and ask SPECIFICALLY about the points he made that otherwise- most would probably never think to ask.

Many people come to this site asking for information..and I have seen the standard answer " Ask your vet" or other certified expert thrown back in almost every case. That usually costs $50 or more depending on the info they are seeking. Some people can't afford to shell out $50 to ask their vet or a animal nutritionist "What food is best for my dog" SO instead of leaving them floundering at the supermarket wondering what to buy. Let's help them out...in a nice way, by giving them all of our individual opinions and allowing them to make their decision based on the points we bring up. We can do that without making them feel stupid for asking, not good enough to own a dog because they don't already know the answer to the question, or too cheap to give their dog proper care because they can't shell out $50 to a vet every time they have a question about kibble.

To those who brought up their personal experiences and opinions in a effort to educate.. thank you for sharing.

Responsible pet owners have an ongoing relationship with a vet. I have NEVER paid for advice on what to feed my pups unless I decided to do a consult for a sick one for some reason. I am at my vet enough to be able to call for such advice at no charge....OR I mention it when I am there for other reasons. I did not pay for a vet nutritionist to give me general advice on pet foods...AND I did share a website that is run by a vet nutritionist who answers general questions at no charge.

For people who have sick pups to come here asking lay people to give them vetting advice .. YES, most of us do suggest going to a vet. There is no logical reason for any of us to give veterinary advice on this forum, not to mention it is dangerous!! Many of us have been here for years and have seen pups die due to a person not wanting to spend that $50 as you call it. Guess what...a sick pup costs a whole lot more than that and that is something everyone who owns a pup should think about prior to obtaining one. Much like children, our beloved breed is not cheap to properly care for!

As for your analogies about chamomile tea and the like....that is NOT the same as suggesting that foods from reputable companies such as Royal Canin or Hill's are not good for pets. You did start this thread to suggest that certain foods were bad and IMHO you don't have the credentials and/or knowledge to make that call. No one is bashing holistic here...we simply are responding to your claims made and informing people of what is known about different dog foods and companies. I don't get on this forum telling people what to feed their pups and I think it is something people really should avoid. You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth on this one. You say there is no "right" way, yet your original post makes a different claim.

Further, let me say that if I started a thread that said people "MIGHT" want to avoid anything that many people here might use, I would be subjecting myself to differing opinions. This is an online forum and there are different opinions. You have already posted things that were controversial in the past so you know what happens. You also didn't like the responses and went on to post that people should be nice. If you don't want opinions that don't agree with you, why start such a thread in the first place? Not saying you should not....just saying that, if it upsets you, perhaps best to leave it be??

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by smelcerk

This thread brings to mind the mommy bashing video I saw on fb where all the different mommy and daddy groups came to the park with their babies and their posturing about their way (working mommy's, stay-at-home mommy's, stay-at-home daddy's, work out mommy's, cookie baking mommy's) being the best and only way. Then the baby rolled down the hill toward the lake and every single person in that park ran as fast as they could to save that baby. Same thing. We all have the same goal. To love and raise the best and healthiest babies we can. There are many paths to the top of that mountain. Your way is not the ONLY way. I pledge to chase your baby to that lake and hope you would all do the same for my baby. That is what Yorkie Talk means to me. By the way, I did not breast feed. Evil Enfamil. Any takers?

I absolutely love this and wish more people would actually take this to heart, on all sides of any matter at hand. For those who don't "get this" - hopefully you'll re-read it until you do, or remember it someday later in life when it suddenly gels and makes sense.

"Your way is not the only way." -- indeed.

Please allow others their opinion, whether or not it is congruent with yours or how you populate said opinion.