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Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier Adult Dry Dog Food
Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier Adult Dry Dog Food, 10-lb bag

I've been searching for a replacement dry dog food for a couple weeks now. Gucci seems to not like Orijin in the two flavors I've tried recently. I literally have to get down on all fours and make sloppy eating noises while hoarding his bowl to get him to eat it or feed him one kibble at a time by hand. I was going to try a Farmina no grain but decided against it for various reasons.

This morning, I stumbled onto "Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier Adult Dry Dog Food" at chewy.com. This time, in addition to spending hours on the web looking for ratings and info, I decided to check with you all, here at YT.

Looking at the ingredients, I really didn't see much that is special but that is comparing it to the more exotics.

Gucci is about 5 pounds, 11-13 years old, walks 3 miles 3-5 days a week, very low key personality, barks about once a month, seems very happy, swallows his food whole, requires very small kibble.

Any thoughts, experience or knowledge about this breed specific, yorkie, dog food would be much appreciated. I'd love to hear all of the possible negatives in this thread! LOL

Here's their claimed key benefits:
Glucosamine provides joint health throughout a Yorkshire Terrier's long life
Enriched with Omega 3 fatty acids (EPA and DHA), Omega 6 fatty acids and biotin
Formula satisfies the fussiest of appetites with a combination of exceptional aromas and flavors
Breed-specific food for Yorkshire Terriers over 10 months old

There is also a yorkie puppy version available for those who would like to look at that.
Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier Puppy Dry Dog Food, 2.5-lb bag

Here's the ingredients, a lot of unpronounceables:
Brewers rice, brown rice, chicken by-product meal, chicken fat, wheat gluten, corn gluten meal, corn, natural flavors, powdered cellulose, dried plain beet pulp, fish oil, grain distillers dried yeast, vegetable oil, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, sodium silico aluminate, fructooligosaccharides, sodium tripolyphosphate, salt, taurine, hydrolyzed yeast, vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), inositol, niacin supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), D-calcium pantothenate, biotin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), riboflavin supplement, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin A acetate, folic acid, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement], DL-methionine, choline chloride, magnesium oxide, L-lysine, glucosamine hydrochloride, marigold extract (Tagetes erecta L.), trace minerals [zinc proteinate, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite, copper proteinate], tea, L-carnitine, chondroitin sulfate, rosemary extract, preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid

I love it and have used it for over 30 years. My dogs, ALL my dogs over the years, have loved it and have thrived on it. The quality control is second to none. The formulas are nutritionally sound, evidenced based on scientific research and clinical testing.

Thank You. I really liked seeing the glucosamine in there. Has Royal Canin had the YORKIE specific formula for 30 years or is it fairly new?

I haven't verified this, it was a comment/review left at Amazon:
It is made here in the USA but....check the ingredients label because the Yorkshire Terrier #28 that I have always fed my little 3.5 lb Yorkie, Mya, is now being phased out. I was told by a rep of the company that they will only make the Yorkshire Terrier Adult from now on which is fine EXCEPT some of the bags I've checked out on line now list the first two ingredients as rice and the third is chicken by-product meal. Just do your research....CHICKEN MEAL is chicken meat; CHICKEN BY-PRODUCTS is the insides (they said heart, liver and clean intestines??) You decide...

I feed pre-made raw, so I don't feed kibble. But if I did feed kibble, I'd be feeding Nature's Logic, Solid Gold, Nature's Variety, Orijen, Acana. I don't like the high-carb nature of RC and all the corn.

It looks like there is two separate Royal Canin foods for yorkies, the Yorkshire Terrier Adult Dry Dog Food and the Yorkshire Terrier #28... and yes, the ingredients are different. Is 28 going away then? It's not at chewy.com.

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&key...l_48klqfn7i3_e

I have used Royal Canin yorkshire puppy for my girl, she is now almost 8 months old and I am getting ready to start adding in the adult RC so she will be weaned off the puppy. I have never had any issues with it and she loves it!

Do you have an opinion about Fromm?

Gucci seemed very interested in Orijen the first meal, after that, he just won't eat it on his own. The same occurred with two different Orijen formulas. I spent about two weeks on each. Acana being the same manufacturer, I just didn't expect any improvement by trying.

Thank you.

So far, I haven't heard of any yorkie that has disliked any of the Royal Canin Yorkshire formulas. So, that's worth a lot right there!

Thank you.

I did find instructions, Gucci at 5 pounds, normal weight, should eat about 2/3 cups of the new, non 28, RC Yorkie formula per day. Seems a bit higher than lots of the others.... the corn and other fillers?????

This is so disappointing to me, they have changed their formula from first ingredient chicken meal, to first ingredient brewers rice, rice and third ingredient is now chicken by-product meal? I have never minded the corn, cooked corn is very easy to digest and that's important for dogs with sensitive tummies, but the ingredients now sound like some bargain basement food. It's not even called Yorkshire Terrier 28, the 28 stood for the protein content and not the protein content is 26.
Old ingredients.
Ingredients
Chicken Meal, Brewers Rice, Brown Rice, Chicken Fat, Chicken, Corn Gluten Meal, Dried Egg Powder, Barley, Natural Chicken Flavor, Cellulose, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Anchovy Oil, Dried Brewers Yeast, Potassium Chloride, Soya Oil, Fructo-oligosaccharides, Salmon Meal, Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Tripolyphosphate, Choline Chloride, Dried Brewers Yeast Extract (source of Mannan-oligosaccharides), Taurine, Vitamins [DL-Alpha Tocopherol (source of Vitamin E), Inositol, Niacin Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), D-Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B2), Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement], Magnesium Oxide, Borage Oil, Trace Minerals [Zinc Proteinate, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Sodium Selenite, Calcium Iodate], Glucosamine Hydrochloride, L-Carnitine, DL-Methionine, Marigold Extract (Calendula officinalis L.), Tea (Green Tea Extract), Chondroitin Sulfate, preserved with Natural Tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), Citric Acid and Rosemary Extract.


My dogs have been doing very well on it, even the one with the ultra sensitive tummy, but with this kind of change, I'm not sure it's the quality food I thought it was.

What's your opinion Yorkiemom1, have you noticed the ingredient change?

It's exhausting researching dog food, I have read good and bad reviews about RC. Most complaints are about the fillers, most positive thoughts are about the science supporting it. Ali is eating Fromm now and seems to like it. The lamb/lentil is very tiny kibble so it works well for her. If you can find a store that carries it they should have free sample sizes for you to try. (she liked the chicken veg too)

I love and trust royal Canin but my dogs poop was just not where I thought it shoukd be so we had to switch. She is very picky though and loved the food.

Is Royal Canin at a higher, lesser, or equal quality than Wellness CORE/Wellness Small Breed? I like the ingredients of Wellness but a lot of YT members seem to like Royal Canin.

it depends on who you ask and what you consider higher quality. Dog Advisor (who some people don't recommend) rates food according to protein quality. He rates Wellness Core high.

Thank you. I just got off the phone with Fromm. I was very interested in the Four Star Grain Free products but the Fromm representative recommended against them for our little old guy. Summarized, it might be too rich for him because he is older and small, his organs need to work harder to process it she explained. She did recommend the other Four Star products, just not the grain free line. LOL Catch 22, the non grain free products are bigger kibble and harder for my old guy to swallow. The Fromm Four Star Chicken A' La Veg is on the list for us to try, the Salmon A' La Veg is also since it is the smallest of grain inclusive Four Stars and of course there is their senior products. Back to the research. RC changing their ingredients pretty much puts them on hold for me since that creates additional confusion presently. I will need to remember that it seems that no yorkie snubs their nose at it though.

Although we have been using RC for about 8 years, after reading the new ingredients that you posted, I think I will be switching. One of the problems we've had with other foods, is the size of the kibble among other things, and I'm looking into Wellness Small breed, it's very similar to the ingrediants of the original Royal Canin.

Sorry,


Teddy hated it, which was a bit concerning since the breeder recommended it and sent him home with it, but oh well!


As such, we moved him to Acana which he eats so fast he snorts.


Not sure that's great either but at least he eats, right!

Lol, my two already eat too fast!

Interesting, I wonder if it's the fat/protein percentage? The grain free is a little higher so maybe that is what they were warning about. Ali is a pup so she is fine with the ingredients for now. The chicken A' La Veg kibble size is close to the RC Yorkie food. It's a flatter piece of kibble vs. the roundness of RC. Ali had trouble with the roundness/crunchability :eek: of RC so she just swallowed it whole and many times it came back up. The Fromm Lamb/lentil is the size of cat food kibble and easier for her to crunch, probably not as hard as some kibble. She has an overbite so more of a challenge.

The Wellness Small Breed that Nancy mentioned is a pretty new product so that's an option too?

I am waiting to get a response from my RC rep. I will paste the response on here, as i am also concerned about a major change in ingredients.

Thank you, I'm trying to guess what they will say, here's what Wikipedia says about chicken by-product meal.
Here's what they say about about Brewers Rice


Brewers rice
I don't mind that being in the food, it could be useful for something, but for it to be the first ingredient?

I have been using this for like I said, since late '70's/early '80's.....I have to simmer on this for a while and see what they tell me, and decide what I will do. Thank you for your research Nancy into the Wellness....I am at leastsomewhat comforted with the idea that there may be a similar product to the RC formula my people around here eat and love.....

Wow, it must really be hard for you, and you have to depend upon it for your new little pups first kibble. I was panicking, this is such a fear for me that I won't be able to feed them. I swear everything I read about home cooking makes it sound so complicated. Not the food but the supplements, and how much and what kind and giving too much is dangerous, etc etc. There was a product called balance it, that made things pretty simple, but apparently, they aren't shipping to vendors anymore, and the product may be difficult to get. Not only that, but the boys have been doing so well on RC, they love it and are at a very healthy weight with it, I have none of the problems so many others have with gas and vomiting. Also, I'm afraid if I feed them human food, it will be too easy to overfed them. I want RC to say, no no don't worry, that's not happening.

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I feed Wellness complete balance chicken and oatmeal and I am very happy with it. My poodle breeder feeds her show dogs that food and their coats she says are beautiful. I agree with her. This is a high quality food.

Royal Canin Yorkshire 28 is still available online and maybe at some of your local stores... IDK I'd first verify that RC Yorkie 28 is being phased out and if so, stock up a bit on the 28 that is available to delay the switch. That's what I would do if we had already been using RC Yorkie 28. I wouldn't buy so much that it becomes stale for the pups though. If buying on line, I'd actually call them to make sure they weren't going to just substitute the new formula bag for the Yorkie 28 that you would be buying.

Thanks for the ingredients of Wellness, that looks pretty good!

After all these years of feeding this food with excellent results, no problems, no issues, etc, to now find myself, as my brother says "shot in the a$$" frantically scurrying around, trying to find a dog food that will work as well and been so well tolerated as my RC....I too am in a panic Nancy! I am thinking I may continue to feed the RC, monitor weights and coats and tolerance to the formula change, and if there is not adverse reactions to the new formula, I will continue to feed it.....all the while waiting to hear from the rep. There is no way I could home cook for all these kiddos....and it scares me as a friend of mine was doing it and somehow she screwed up and after a couple of years, her Yorkie's jaw began to deform/weaken/get soft....the vet said that was from something that was missing in her diet (I cant remember the medical name for the condition!) I dont want to go there!

I know the noise. Thanks for the good laugh and a post that rounds out the ayes and nays some!

Fromm is a great brand and a great company. A few of their formulas are a bit "busy" IMO (some have too many peas, lentils, etc taking up the bulk of the protein) but honestly... a good food and a company I trust. Jackson thinks the Beef Fritta and the lamb one are crack - he eats them up so fast.

FWIW, Jackson did not like Orijen but he loves Acana Duck and Pork (from the Singles line). He also does very well on them.

He did like the flavor of RC but I felt his poops were too soft and his body condition wasn't the greatest when he ate it. He wasn't on it long though, maybe two months.

We've fed Acana the most consistently throughout the years. I always end up back on it lol even through the changes, he still seems to do best on it.