Originally Posted by mygirlHalo (Post 4433820)

I've already stated that I respected everyone's opinion. I didn't see the need to repeat myself over & over again. I get that you don't care for DFA, I got that the first 25 times I read that. Moving on...................

Originally Posted by JuanRamos (Post 4433860)

What exactly caused Penny's death? Was it liver failure like with the dogs that were poisoned by chinese chicken treats?

Originally Posted by JuanRamos (Post 4433868)

Yeah, I just read the story. It bothers me that he never specified the cause of death. Losing weight and severe weakness can be caused by lots of different things.

Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4433882)

Perhaps he should've taken Penny to a vet instead of keeping her at the dentist.

Originally Posted by JuanRamos (Post 4433868)

Yeah, I just read the story. It bothers me that he never specified the cause of death. Losing weight and severe weakness can be caused by lots of different things.

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4433920)

I am not really sure why the dentist thing has to continually be brought up. I mean yeah the point can be made once to someone who may not know, I've done that before too, but the fact alone that he a dentist does not necessarily = idiot in all other walks of life. As I said, I don't think his word should be taken anymore seriously than any one else on the internet, but it's not even necessarily his lack of credentials so much that bothers me as much as what his rating system is based upon (which is basically ingredients alone). My dentist is a dog breeder along with his wife. Because he is a dentist does not make him automatically unqualified to breed dogs. He is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to dogs as we have had many conversations about them.

But for a new member, who is not quite as savvy as some of us 'old timer' members, and maybe not done as much reading, research, etc, I don't think it's smart to drive them off. I would've been very intimidated personally if this were me 3 years ago. Luckily I stuck around and continued to learn. I've changed so much in the last 5 years on YT and my opinions and views have varied. But I've been on the other end before and remember how it feels to have it seem like everyone is sort of... ganging up on you. And I know you don't MEAN it that way, and for us this becomes a very repetitive cycle on forums because the same things are talked about over and over again, and I'm sure I've been guilty of just being very blunt and matter-of-fact when maybe I shouldn't have been but for newer members, this whole world of dog food and dog politics is brand new.

Ultimately most people that come here love their dogs and wants what is best for them. There is no 100% right way. There's nothing wrong with a dog NOT doing well on a food that some think is superior. I think RC is a good brand, but I just don't really like the formulas all that much, and I don't believe my dog did as well on it as he has other foods. Doesn't mean I'm calling it a bad food.

I just think we all need to remember we were all newbies at one time. And that pet parents tend to get on the defense when they feel their choices regarding their beloved pets are being looked down upon. And while there will always be idiots out there who do really stupid things with their animals - MOST people here on Yt are trying their best, and I don't think one is going to kill their dogs by not feeding the larger foods with more research behind them (Purina, RC, etc) just as I don't feel one is going to be killing their dogs feeding those foods. Nutrition is very important, don't get me wrong, but I truly believe so many other factors come into play first. So ultimately just do what the owner is comfortable with so long as you have a healthy dog.

Originally Posted by mygirlHalo (Post 4433916)

OMG, you 3 just don't stop, do (or can) you ?!? OR, are you just this childish ?? Your comments would be funny to me if you weren't so sad and sickening. MY turn before I leave this forum. First, thanks to almost everyone for being so kind with your warm welcomes and the kindness extended to me during the short time I was here. To the three "experts" on everything, thank you for making me feel horrible & like a complete idiot just for making an innocent comment I wish I'd never made. I usually keep my mouth shut but I highly respect the DENTIST simply because he saved my Yorkie's life last summer when my vet didn't, or myself couldn't - and I'm a vet tech and have been for 22 years ! We had no idea it could be Royal Canin food. Why ? Because my vet said it was the "best food available" - and it almost killed her. You have no idea what the three of us went through trying to save her. An experience I wouldn't wish on anyone. A diet change was a miracle (against my trusted vet's recommendations, I might add.) She was highly allergic to RC.
I've tried to fit in here, but you 3 don't seem to want me to do that. I thought in joining this forum I'd be among others with the same interests as myself...a deep love for Yorkshire Terriers, especially the ones I own. Sharing stories, pictures, sadness, happiness, advice, thoughts, etc. When I saw a comment I didn't agree with, I had anough sense to KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT !! I didn't go off ridiculing the member or keep on (& on & on & on.) Since I've been here, I've read many older threads with interest and noticed these SAME members often criticizing others when they did or said something that didn't sit right with them, making the poster feel bad. Very respectful and mature ?? Not so much.
I don't like drama or confrontations and I won't tolerate it either. Unlike you, I respect myself too much for that. To avoid this crap, I'd rather leave than be around people who disrespect others this way. I don't think it's anyone's business what I think, who's opinion I value...this was the first time I've ever voiced my opinion here and mistakenly thought others might benefit from it. If you disagreed, why not just scroll on ? That's what I do. Instead it was inches from being cyber bullied from you 3 "EXPERTS" behind a computer screen who, apparently, think they know everything. Guess what ? Think again. :)
To you 3, and you know who you are, I don't give a tiny rats a$$ what you think of "the dentist" or me or the man in the moon for what that's worth. Your opinions mean nothing to me. Feed your dogs earthworms for all I care. I have as much respect for you as you have for all mankind. (and believe me, I TRIED to respect you...you made that impossible !!) Maybe some day your egos will grow as big as your mouths behind your computer screens. Geez, do you treat your families this way ? Your dogs ? I pity them...it must SUCK to be you.
I can take a lot of crap from anyone, but I'm only human and I've reached my limit. You 3 EXPERTS can take a hike, I'm outta here ! I hope you don't make the next new member feel this way with your mightier than thou attitudes.
Best wishes and respect to the rest of you.

Originally Posted by mygirlHalo (Post 4433916)

OMG, you 3 just don't stop, do (or can) you ?!? OR, are you just this childish ?? Your comments would be funny to me if you weren't so sad and sickening. MY turn before I leave this forum. First, thanks to almost everyone for being so kind with your warm welcomes and the kindness extended to me during the short time I was here. To the three "experts" on everything, thank you for making me feel horrible & like a complete idiot just for making an innocent comment I wish I'd never made. I usually keep my mouth shut but I highly respect the DENTIST simply because he saved my Yorkie's life last summer when my vet didn't, or myself couldn't - and I'm a vet tech and have been for 22 years ! We had no idea it could be Royal Canin food. Why ? Because my vet said it was the "best food available" - and it almost killed her. You have no idea what the three of us went through trying to save her. An experience I wouldn't wish on anyone. A diet change was a miracle (against my trusted vet's recommendations, I might add.) She was highly allergic to RC.
I've tried to fit in here, but you 3 don't seem to want me to do that. I thought in joining this forum I'd be among others with the same interests as myself...a deep love for Yorkshire Terriers, especially the ones I own. Sharing stories, pictures, sadness, happiness, advice, thoughts, etc. When I saw a comment I didn't agree with, I had anough sense to KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT !! I didn't go off ridiculing the member or keep on (& on & on & on.) Since I've been here, I've read many older threads with interest and noticed these SAME members often criticizing others when they did or said something that didn't sit right with them, making the poster feel bad. Very respectful and mature ?? Not so much.
I don't like drama or confrontations and I won't tolerate it either. Unlike you, I respect myself too much for that. To avoid this crap, I'd rather leave than be around people who disrespect others this way. I don't think it's anyone's business what I think, who's opinion I value...this was the first time I've ever voiced my opinion here and mistakenly thought others might benefit from it. If you disagreed, why not just scroll on ? That's what I do. Instead it was inches from being cyber bullied from you 3 "EXPERTS" behind a computer screen who, apparently, think they know everything. Guess what ? Think again. :)
To you 3, and you know who you are, I don't give a tiny rats a$$ what you think of "the dentist" or me or the man in the moon for what that's worth. Your opinions mean nothing to me. Feed your dogs earthworms for all I care. I have as much respect for you as you have for all mankind. (and believe me, I TRIED to respect you...you made that impossible !!) Maybe some day your egos will grow as big as your mouths behind your computer screens. Geez, do you treat your families this way ? Your dogs ? I pity them...it must SUCK to be you.
I can take a lot of crap from anyone, but I'm only human and I've reached my limit. You 3 EXPERTS can take a hike, I'm outta here ! I hope you don't make the next new member feel this way with your mightier than thou attitudes.
Best wishes and respect to the rest of you.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4433936)

By the way, no one wants anyone to leave.

That is NOT the reason people are posting about that guy. To attack us and our care for our pups is SO OUT OF LINE. NO ONE ATTACKED YOU OR YOUR PET PARENTING. MAYBE YOU NEED TO READ WHAT YOU WROTE!!!!!

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4433935)

Excuse me, Brit, I have not driven anyone off. This is ridiculous.

I am not going to sit here and have people tout this guy as being some expert he is not.....and act like the foods I use are killing my pups.

I am on this forum to learn and also to share my experiences. I shared and feel I have been ostracized and wrongly accused for doing so.

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 4433861)

As you can see, the dentist does by no stretch or the imagination have the qualifications to tell anyone to do anything beside brush and floss between meals. :rolleyes:

So now that you're able to compare Dr. Remillard to the dentist I'm sure you'd like to take a look at her website where she answers questions about pet nutrition.

PetDiets - President and Founder


Oh and when she asks you to pay for advice it for an actual vet nutritional consultation to benefit your dog......unlike the dentist. :rolleyes:

When she suggests things like Purinas RX or Royal Canin you better believe I listen up ;)

Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4433949)

Just checked out her website. She SELLS the research articles?!?!??? It's not like this information is top secret or can't be found elsewhere, so I'm a little taken aback. I guess she has to make money somehow. Thank goodness I can access scholarly articles for free at work, LOL! She's fairly mainstream as far as vet nutritionists go...

Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4433948)

I suppose members like Piper, Monte, and Sprite are glad we share our opinions. For every Halo, there's three Piper, monte and sprites here.

Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4433955)

Those are her written work. The majority of her site is free. I hardly think she needs the $. She's a prof of vet med at NC State and has her own biz. She's not living off the $8 articles, but why don't you ask her!

Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4433968)

So she writes and sells her own articles. I'm even less impressed, because they are not peer reviewed. Now I'm going to have to check out her peer-reviewed articles and see what her area of expertise is. Thanks for the heads up :)

Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4433968)

So she writes and sells her own articles. I'm even less impressed, because they are not peer reviewed. Now I'm going to have to check out her peer-reviewed articles and see what her area of expertise is. Thanks for the heads up :)

Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4433972)

Attacking Dr. Remillard isn't going to in any way validate the DFA. I could care less what your impressions are, or what your reading reveals. I've done my own, and know this doctor, and I think it would be out of line for me to just say you are embarrassing yourself.

Originally Posted by mygirlHalo (Post 4433975)

Attacking Dr. Remillard isn't going to in any way validate the DFA. I could care less what your impressions are, or what your reading reveals. I've done my own, and know this doctor, and I think it would be out of line for me to just say you are embarrassing yourself.


And just when did I do that ??? NEVER !!! BTW, I could care less what your impression are either.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4433969)

I think you should just ask her....I have asked her questions and she always responds promptly.

But...let me ask you this: Who's information about dog nutrition would you value most...the DFA or Dr. Remillard?

Originally Posted by mygirlHalo (Post 4433975)

Attacking Dr. Remillard isn't going to in any way validate the DFA. I could care less what your impressions are, or what your reading reveals. I've done my own, and know this doctor, and I think it would be out of line for me to just say you are embarrassing yourself.


And just when did I do that ??? NEVER !!! BTW, I could care less what your impression are either.

Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4433976)

Okay, so I had a chance to peruse some of her peer reviewed articles. Her area of expertise is home cooked diets. She wrote a few text book chapters. One of her articles on home cooking is actually extremely well-written, and it contains precise dietary guidelines:

Homemade Diets: Attributes, Pitfalls, and a Call for Action

It's behind a paywall, but you can probably access it for free at your local library. If I were doing home-cooked meals for Bella, I would definitely print it out and refer to it frequently.

I DO have problems with some of her pronouncements on commercial dog foods, and I'll post more on that later, since it gets to the heart of the Purina/Blue Buffalo controversy.

Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4433985)

Her expertise is in clinical nutrition for sick animals. She also is very well versed in what commercial options work for those animals. If you have problems with her pronouncements on dog foods, then you don't need to follow what she says.

Originally Posted by mygirlHalo (Post 4433984)

Look, I never said I LOVED anybody !! I merely SAID I had respect for the guy. I don't care if you disagree with me, I understand that no one agrees with everyone all the time. That's no reason to make someone feel small or embarrass them in front of other people. I'm NOT the idiot you three wanted me to look like I am. I've had Yorkies since 1982, I owned, bred, trained, competed in conformation and obedience and am an obedience instructor and have been for many years. I'm a former professional groomer and have worked in an animal hospital for over 22 years. I STUDIED NUTRITION for dogs longer than veterinarians do in college, yet you ripped me a new one and I don't understand why. Because you've been here longer than I have ? Well woopy do ! Pin a big red rose on YOU !!! :) To megansmomma, please stop sending me private messages, I will block you !