Bare Minimum Vaccines???

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Maximo

The problem with Lepto is catching quickly enough to treat, I thought. A couple of days can be deadly.

The vaccination site issue scares me. The boys have been getting all of theirs between the shoulder blades. I hate the idea of giving it in the leg. Max had his last set of puppy shots in his leg (former vet). I thought the risk of cancer is worse when given in the leg. Wish I could remember what was done with our last dog.

Well, hopefully with the new vaccine protocols being looked at, lessening the frequency of vaccines from 3-5 years, or even the 1-3 years will help to prevent it.

[kjc]

Catching it early is important, I don't have the exact statistics.
This article also discusses prevention:

From: Leptospirosis in Dogs - Signs - Diagnosis - Treating Leptospirosis

Signs and Symptoms of Leptospirosis
The severity of symptoms varies, and depends on the dog (age, immune response, vaccination status), the strain of Leptospira, and other factors. Some dogs may have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, but severe cases can be fatal. Signs and symptoms may include:
fever
joint or muscle pain - this may manifest as a reluctance to move
decreased appetite
weakness
vomiting and diarrhea
discharge from nose and eyes
frequent urination - may be followed by lack of urination
yellowing of the gums, membranes around the eyes, and skin (jaundice)

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Maximo

The problem with Lepto is catching quickly enough to treat, I thought. A couple of days can be deadly.

The vaccination site issue scares me. The boys have been getting all of theirs between the shoulder blades. I hate the idea of giving it in the leg. Max had his last set of puppy shots in his leg (former vet). I thought the risk of cancer is worse when given in the leg. Wish I could remember what was done with our last dog.

That's what scars me about Lepto. I know I am very in tune with Callie and normally see and take care of things fast but it still scares me. I think Callie got hers its been almost a year so not 100% sure but more her back then the top of her back leg.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by kjc

Vaccines against bacterial disease are not as effective as vaccines against viruses. Lepto, Lymes, the 'Dental' vaccine are all bacterial in nature and the diseases/illnesses can be treated successfully with antibiotics.

The problems with overvaccination first became evident in cats, as cancer began developing at the injection site. When I was at the vets last time for vaccines, there was a little dog figure drawn in their charts and the point of vaccination was clearly marked on the diagram, so that future vaccines will be given in a different spot. They are also giving more vaccines in the leg, because if cancer does develop, the leg can be easily amputated, thereby stopping the progression of the cancer.

That's scary

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

That's scary

Yes it is scary, but it's an easier and more effective solution than chemo and radiation, as that can be pretty hard on a pet (and the owner) and not always successful. I think, too, many owners were just opting to euthanize, so I guess they think amputation is a better solution? IDK!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by kjc

Yes it is scary, but it's an easier and more effective solution than chemo and radiation, as that can be pretty hard on a pet (and the owner) and not always successful. I think, too, many owners were just opting to euthanize, so I guess they think amputation is a better solution? IDK!

Well dogs do seem to adjust better then we think to having only three legs or even going blind but I would still be so upset having to amputate maybe even more so then Callie.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Well dogs do seem to adjust better then we think to having only three legs or even going blind but I would still be so upset having to amputate maybe even more so then Callie.

Oh yes, I agree! At least with a yorkie one could let their hair grow out and hide the fact that a leg is missing...

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by JuneBugs Momma

Wow, why do I feel like I am back in high school with all the back and forth arguing and disagreeing going on? I think it's time to close this topic.

Final words: Do what you think is right, not what others are saying. They are not the ones that have to live with your decision wether it be right or wrong, you do! Sheesh!

Sheesh, I hate it when people tell others that they can't debate or disagree about topic.

Through the back and forth on this forum about topics like this come lots of great nuggets and new ways of thinking. I am extremely grateful for the passion that exists on this site.

It's amazing what a pair of big girl panties and and open mind can do for you.

[JuneBugs Momma]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Sheesh, I hate it when people tell others that they can't debate or disagree about topic.


It's amazing what a pair of big girl panties and and open mind can do for you.

I totally agree with you. By quoting me earlier, I am just trying to understand where in that quote I mentioned "you cannot debate" or "disagree"? Thats what I love about freedom of speech...you can say what ya want and in a forum like this and wait for someone to throw a wrench in...to make something worse than it already is. Isn't that what you are doing right now? LOL! Get your story straight before pointing fingers please!

And as far as big girl panties and an open mind? If you had either one, you wouldn't be quoting me and making false accusations. Here's to happy debating!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by kjc

Oh yes, I agree! At least with a yorkie one could let their hair grow out and hide the fact that a leg is missing...

I didn't even think about that but I bet no one would even notice just by watching them that they only had three legs especially when the hair is long. I have watched some videos of three legged yorkies and they still run fast and move really great. It does have to be better then being with out your baby.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by JuneBugs Momma

I totally agree with you. By quoting me earlier, I am just trying to understand where in that quote I mentioned "you cannot debate" or "disagree"? Thats what I love about freedom of speech...you can say what ya want and in a forum like this and wait for someone to throw a wrench in...to make something worse than it already is. Isn't that what you are doing right now? LOL! Get your story straight before pointing fingers please!

And as far as big girl panties and an open mind? If you had either one, you wouldn't be quoting me and making false accusations. Here's to happy debating!

Well you did say this topic should be closed honestly I got the same impression. Your doing what you called high school.

[SilkyPooMama]

Originally Posted by JuneBugs Momma

Wow, why do I feel like I am back in high school with all the back and forth arguing and disagreeing going on? I think it's time to close this topic.

Final words: Do what you think is right, not what others are saying. They are not the ones that have to live with your decision wether it be right or wrong, you do! Sheesh!

Wow, I can't believe people are giving you crap for this post! As a newbie to this forum, I can honestly say there is more arguing/negativity in this forum than any other I have visited recently. I do think it's because everyone here REALLY cares about their pets and they're passionate about what they believe in. But sometimes it can come across as a little "bitchy". I guess I grew up learning that there are more respectful ways to share your beliefs. I think it's the negativity that's a little disconcerting here, more so than the arguing. But I'm one to "kill with kindness", and not let anyone else's negativity bring me down. Not everyone is like this, and some even enjoy arguing, and that's ok too I guess. I'm just not used to it! haha

That being said, I really appreciate all the replies and good information! I don't think moms of puppies OR babies with ever agree on vaccines! All we can do is share as much information with each other as possible and try to make the best decisions we can.

[JuneBugs Momma]

Originally Posted by SilkyPooMama

Wow, I can't believe people are giving you crap for this post! As a newbie to this forum, I can honestly say there is more arguing/negativity in this forum than any other I have visited recently.

I know, it's totally crazy. I'm a newbie to. I guess they have nothing else better to do. Makes ya wonder...if they feel offended in regards to such a simple post, which has nothing to do with the topic in hand, how they will react to something that is? Oops, nevermind, we have already seen reactions. It's also evident as to who loves to argue and be negative...past posts don't lie!

Originally Posted by SilkyPooMama

That being said, I really appreciate all the replies and good information! I don't think moms of puppies OR babies with ever agree on vaccines! All we can do is share as much information with each other as possible and try to make the best decisions we can.

Share? Yes absolutely. Critisize, argue and be negative? Childish!

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by JuneBugs Momma

I know, it's totally crazy. I'm a newbie to. I guess they have nothing else better to do. Makes ya wonder...if they feel offended in regards to such a simple post, which has nothing to do with the topic in hand, how they will react to something that is? Oops, nevermind, we have already seen reactions. It's also evident as to who loves to argue and be negative...past posts don't lie!



Share? Yes absolutely. Critisize, argue and be negative? Childish!

Good Grief talk about being childish, take at look at what you just wrote AND THE POST AFTER THIS ONE !!!!!!!!!!!

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by JuneBugs Momma

Silky, there is another really good forum online with less drama and is very helpful with professionals that even chime in once in a while. If interested, go to my profile and send me a message and I will give you the details. It also gives you another source to get information.

??? Do let us know.