Royla Canin Mini Canned Formulas

[Teresiana]

I purchased a few cans of RC "Beauty" (skin & coat) canned at my PetSmart yesterday. I couldn't find any info on the RC website, so I emailed the company. Here's their reply:

Good Afternoon Teresa,

Thank you for taking the time to contact Royal Canin. I am very happy to tell you that in the beginning of May we are launching a line of retail Mini canned formulas! (Some of the stores got the products a little early!) I have included the details below to review on the canned formulas that will be available! The product information and feeding charts should be added to our website soon! Please let us know if we can be of further assistance, we wish you and your pets the very best!

Warm regards,
Courtney

I attached a few screenshots of the Puppy & Beauty product info. Just spreading the word.

[Teresiana]

Here's the product info for the Mature & Weight Care formulas.

[107barney]

Great! I use the mini kibble sometimes so this is great!

[KathyKelben]

in the top 5 ingredients ... by- products, corn/corn flour, rice flour, corn meal, cellulous etc....

personally, I would not feed this.

[tokipoki]

I got a few cans of this today. I'm surprised that they didn't have any wet formulas before (aside from the starter mousse). Toki really enjoyed the Weight Care one! Hopefully your Yoshi will continue to gobble this up!

[107barney]

Originally Posted by KathyKelben

in the top 5 ingredients ... by- products, corn/corn flour, rice flour, corn meal, cellulous etc....

personally, I would not feed this.

I don't have a problem with the ingredients. My dogs do great on RC foods. Recommended by their vets too!!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by KathyKelben

in the top 5 ingredients ... by- products, corn/corn flour, rice flour, corn meal, cellulous etc....

personally, I would not feed this.

From the way you say this, it doesn't sound like the first ingredient is meat of any kind. This is really important, but all the ones I checked out, list a type of meat as the first ingredient. The other ingredients can be part of a nutritious diet. While I think it's important to check out ingrediants, it's really important to also know why those ingrediants are used, and what they do to the total nutritional value of the food. Also, it's my understanding that you want to avoid products that are listed as just "meat byproducts", but if they list the type of meat, it's okay. Just because a meat isn't sold at the butcher shop for humans, it doesn't mean it's not nutritious and perfectly acceptable. Lots of pork byproducts go into human foods and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[dottiesyrky]

It does say in the above 1st insert that Chicken is first item and then Pork by products...... Only 8% protein though? Others seem to be Pork products, then Chicken/Livers etc.....
Also has Carrageeenan in some too?

[Teresiana]

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky

It does say in the above 1st insert that Chicken is first item and then Pork by products...... Only 8% protein though? Others seem to be Pork products, then Chicken/Livers etc.....

It's confusing with canned food. The dry matter protein content is probably somewhere in the 40% range.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky

It does say in the above 1st insert that Chicken is first item and then Pork by products...... Only 8% protein though? Others seem to be Pork products, then Chicken/Livers etc.....

Eight percent sounds low, but since water is the first ingredient, you use a different scale. Canned foods are almost 90% water, I can’t remember how you calculate the total protein of a canned food, maybe someone else would know.

[KathyKelben]

by-products are usually hoofs, lips, beaks, etc. they are used as a protein source. Whether it is chicken by products, beef by products, pork by products, it doesn't matter, they are by- products.... not meat.
Basically, animal by-products are what’s left of a slaughtered animal after the edible parts have been removed. They include the waste2 of meat processing not intended for human consumption. For example…
Feet
Backs
Livers
Lungs
Heads
Brains
Spleen
Frames
Kidneys
Stomachs
Intestines
Undeveloped eggs
If these parts are not refrigerated immediately after the animal is killed they cannot be used for human consumtion, but can be for pet food. Also, animals that arrive at the dog food plant dead on arrival cannot be used for human consumtion, but can be used in pet food.
Now, I don't know, but I stand by my decision not to feed by-products. The other thing... dogs with allergies probably shouldn't be eating any corn.
Just saying.

[Nancy1999]

I found something that might be helpful.

The levels of nutrients in the table below are expressed on a 'dry matter' (DM) basis. On most pet food labels, the levels listed in the guaranteed analysis are expressed on an 'as fed' basis. To convert 'as fed' to 'dry matter' a simple conversion is necessary. If a dry food has 10% moisture we know that it has 90% dry matter. So we look at the label and check the protein level. That reads 20%. Next, we divide the 20 percent protein by the 90% dry matter and we get 22%, which is the amount of protein on a dry matter basis. Does this make sense so far? Good. Now let us compare this to canned food that has 80% moisture. We know that with 80% moisture we have 20% dry matter. The label shows 5% protein. So we take the 5% and divide it by 20% and we get 25% protein on a dry matter basis. So the canned food has more protein per pound on a dry matter basis after all the water is taken out. We can do the same for fat, fiber, etc. Dog Food Standards by the AAFCO

In other words, if it has 80% moisture and 5% protein, you get a total protein of 25%, since this has an even higher amount of protein it would be higher than 25% around 40%, if the moisture was 80%, less if it was lower. These all have varying amounts of moisture.

[tokipoki]

I believe the dry matter is taking the percent protein listed and dividing it by 100 minus the moisture. So for the Beauty can it'd be 7.5 divided by (100 - 78.5) which is about .35 or 35%. The dry matter value for the protein in RC YT 28 kibble is around 31%. Hopefully I got that all right! Dog Food Advisor has a handy article to explain the conversions.

[tokipoki]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I found something that might be helpful.

The levels of nutrients in the table below are expressed on a 'dry matter' (DM) basis. On most pet food labels, the levels listed in the guaranteed analysis are expressed on an 'as fed' basis. To convert 'as fed' to 'dry matter' a simple conversion is necessary. If a dry food has 10% moisture we know that it has 90% dry matter. So we look at the label and check the protein level. That reads 20%. Next, we divide the 20 percent protein by the 90% dry matter and we get 22%, which is the amount of protein on a dry matter basis. Does this make sense so far? Good. Now let us compare this to canned food that has 80% moisture. We know that with 80% moisture we have 20% dry matter. The label shows 5% protein. So we take the 5% and divide it by 20% and we get 25% protein on a dry matter basis. So the canned food has more protein per pound on a dry matter basis after all the water is taken out. We can do the same for fat, fiber, etc. Dog Food Standards by the AAFCO

In other words, if it has 80% moisture and 5% protein, you get a total protein of 25%, since this has an even higher amount of protein it would be higher than 25% around 40%, if the moisture was 80%, less if it was lower. These all have varying amounts of moisture.

[MyDearSam]

What's the price per can on these? I'll definitely have to look for them on my next trip to Petsmart.

The smaller cans would be great, because little Mr. Persnickety will barely eat canned after it's been refrigerated.