BEWARE of these Natural Oils!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

I will only reiterate I do NOT condone testing on animals. This is 2012 and mechanical/computer similators and good old fashion laboratory testing is possible. There are enough ingredients and NATURAL ingredients out there that they can safely use and test...they don't have to use animals to test.

Have you seen what these animals go through that are used in testing? Honestly, plug in "laboratory animals" in youtube and tell me its ok.

Oh btw I am not an extremist or Peta like personality...I simply am against using animals, defenseless animals, against their will being used in a laboratory.

I agree if you can use a computer simulator, use it, but sometimes you can't. By the way, these are NATURAL ingredients. That doesn't make them safe. Like I said, if the product isn't tested, your pet is the lab subject. I love youtube, but it doesn't always have solid information. I'm against inhumane treatment of any kind, even on humans and criminals, but you can't say all testing is inhumane. What do you mean by good old fashioned laboratory testing? The old fashioned laboratory testing was inhumane.

[lynzy420]

I am not of the "better it be some other dog than mine" mentality....I have an idea Nancy perhaps you can sign your pups up for testing? Harsh sounding right? Did you cringe with anger? well imagine what those pups are going through...an animal has feelings and emotions...instead of picking my statements apart please consider it case by case and what tests are really necessary and which are not...process of elimination is factually that most of those suffering animals are suffering needlessly....mercilessly...alone

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

I am not of the "better it be some other dog than mine" mentality....I have an idea Nancy perhaps you can sign your pups up for testing? Harsh sounding right? Did you cringe with anger? well imagine what those pups are going through...an animal has feelings and emotions...instead of picking my statements apart please consider it case by case and what tests are really necessary and which are not...process of elimination is factually that most of those suffering animals are suffering needlessly....mercilessly...alone

So are you against war and police dogs going into areas with bombs, booby traps and dangerous places first before the husbands/wives, sons, mothers, etc., go in?

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

So are you against war and police dogs going into areas with bombs, booby traps and dangerous places first before the husbands/wives, sons, mothers, etc., go in?

Both of my children, both of my surviving brothers, my nephew and my father all served/serve this country...this is an unfair statement and imho there is no comparison....I will only say that when my son's dog "goes in" my son is right behind him or holding his leash....I can't and won't go in to any more detail.....the line in the sand is drawn...you win...I am out of this thread...

[TxVicki]

WELL Good Grief!!!!

[yorkietalkjilly]

I think animals that serve in the stead of humans whether on active duty or in laboratories using medications, products or surgical techniques do us all such a service that we owe them more than we can ever repay. Any time one walks into a children's cancer wing or speaks to the mother of a child with epilepsy, has to have surgery or takes an antibiotic, we've a group of animals to thank. Without animal testing, there would be rampant plague, multiple other diseases, mediocre surgical advances, etc. It would be like the dark ages. Any animal that keeps my child or family or city safe because he suffered or went in advance of man is as noble as any of our greatest of citizens, just as worthy of honor. They are true heroes.


Animal Research Benefits: | Americans for Medical Progress

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

So are you against war and police dogs going into areas with bombs, booby traps and dangerous places first before the husbands/wives, sons, mothers, etc., go in?

What makes a human life worth more then a dog's life?

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I think animals that serve in the stead of humans whether on active duty or in laboratories using medications, products or surgical techniques do us all such a service that we owe them more than we can ever repay. Any time one walks into a children's cancer wing or speaks to the mother of a child with epilepsy, has to have surgery or takes an antibiotic, we've a group of animals to thank. Without animal testing, there would be rampant plague, multiple other diseases, mediocre surgical advances, etc. It would be like the dark ages. Any animal that keeps my child or family or city safe because he suffered or went in advance of man is as noble as any of our greatest of citizens, just as worthy of honor. They are true heroes.


Animal Research Benefits: | Americans for Medical Progress

Well then if it is such a great honor why don't people sign up to do it?

[yorkietalkjilly]

People do sign up for experimental testing and do clinical trials constantly. Don't you ever see the ads, etc.? That is how human clinical experimentation and testing takes place - volunteers. enforced human testing is not tolerated in this country - it is all voluntary. I guess every one has to decide for himself whether an animal life is more important than a human's. In most human society I know of, it is.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

People do sign up for experimental testing and do clinical trials constantly. Don't you ever see the ads, etc.? That is how human clinical experimentation and testing takes place - volunteers. enforced human testing is not tolerated in this country - it is all voluntary. I guess every one has to decide for himself whether an animal life is more important than a human's. In most human society I know of, it is.

Save testing for the people who have voice and can say no not the poor dogs who have no choice and have to suffer its sick and very sad.

[yorkietalkjilly]

We'd be so disease ridden and our numbers so few, society as we know it probably couldn't exist, as it was in the Dark Ages, unfortunately. Just about all chemo-therapy treatment, leukemia and most others are on tested animals before the FDA and medical societies will permit it to be tried on humans for for clinical trials.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

We'd be so disease ridden and our numbers so few, society as we know it probably couldn't exist, as it was in the Dark Ages, unfortunately. Just about all chemo-therapy treatment, leukemia and most others are on tested animals before the FDA and medical societies will permit it to be tried on humans for for clinical trials.

Maybe me need to start testing on murderers and rappers instead of animals who have done nothing wrong!

[Nancy1999]

I was referring to testing done on dogs where the final product would benefit dogs. Tree oil, for example, if they are going to sell a shampoo for dogs with tree oil in it, they should test it first, it doesn’t do any good to test it on humans, if it’s meant for dogs. I can understand people who say they don’t want dogs used in experiments where humans will be the benefactors, but I can’t understand people saying they don’t want to test on dogs when the dogs are the ones using the product. This makes no sense to me. An example might be dog food that reduces the incidence of bladder stones, you can’t test this on anyone but a dog and the experiment can be designed to be humane, and while you can do preliminary testing with computers, you can’t do final testing with computers. If Joey had bladder stones, I would consider allowing him to partake in tests. When people say no experiments on dogs ever and they won’t buy from a company that does testing, I just don’t get it. I know this is an emotionally charged subject, but we should demand humane testing, not NO testing.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Maybe me need to start testing on murderers and rappers instead of animals who have done nothing wrong!

Civil liberties groups would probably rupture themselves as they set about 24/7/365 protesting, suing, effigy-burning any legislators that dared to even discuss any part of government enforced human drug/product testing/experimentation but I can't say I disagree with that basic premise in the abstract!!!!!

[yorkietalkjilly]

P. S. Has anybody else had any problems getting on YT tonight? I could not get it to display for hours, finally upgraded my Java & up it came. Don't know if the Java upgrade had anything to do with it or it was pure coincidence but I could not get this site up no matter what I did until I did that!!!! I've been trying for hours!