Breeder uses Eukanuba Puppy Small Breed

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

When some one says they test on animals with dog food what exactly do they mean? Like are the evil about it or do they just set a bowl of food down and see if the dog likes it?

It was about...let's see...5-7 yrs ago when Euk/Iams was busted BIG time for cruelty to animals in their feeding trials. It was bad, disgusting. They supposedly changed their policies, but this is something I will always view as very important no matter how much time is passed - bc the culture of a business rarely truly changes its colors, so if it could happen once - I think it could more easily happen again.

It's always surprised me how many breeders use Iams/Euk. Someone told me that it could be bc they're always at the dog shows as a vendor, and bc they give nice discounts to breeders at those shows. I dunno, that's just what I've heard.

[Rescuemomma]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Do we remember when we were little grls, and we got a new doll? The very first thing I did with my new doll was take her home, strip her clothes off AND BATHE HER!! I have talked with alot of women down thru the years, and they too, could not wait to bathe that doll or wash her hair! I have noticed the very first thing new owners want to do when they get that adorable, bewildered, confused, a little frightened baby home, where it is trying to adjust to new smells, new people, new noises, new sights, new surroundings, new routine, etc is THEY WANT TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE THE FOOD THE BREEDER HAS THE BABY ON!!!! Why is this such a priority with new owners??? Why do you think, especially if you have a breeder that perhaps KNOWS what she is doing, why do you feel the food that she has weaned the baby on, has to go, and go NOW!!! IF YOUR PUPPY IS NOT HAVING UNTOWARD EFFECTS FROM THE FOOD IT IS ON, COMING TO YOU, FOR GOODNESS SAKE, LET THE BABY GET ADJUSTED TO ALL THE NEW STUFF AROUND HIM BEFORE YOU GO CHANGING THE ONLY THING HE HAS LEFT THAT EVEN HAS THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF FAMILIARITY FOR HIM!!!! I dont mean 10-15 minutes....I am talking maybe 8 months, maybe when you start changing him from a puppy blend to adult life stage kibble/food.....that is plenty of time to do earth shattering, jaw dropping, soul jerking changes in that baby's food!

I agree. I'm not a huge fan of Eukanuba, but I certainly wouldn't go changing food on a puppy as soon as you get it home, leave it's food alone for at least a few months, if not as long as it's on puppy food! Personally, if I didn't like how a breeder was feeding or caring for a puppy, I wouldn't buy from that breeder anyway!

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

It was about...let's see...5-7 yrs ago when Euk/Iams was busted BIG time for cruelty to animals in their feeding trials. It was bad, disgusting. They supposedly changed their policies, but this is something I will always view as very important no matter how much time is passed - bc the culture of a business rarely truly changes its colors, so if it could happen once - I think it could more easily happen again.

It's always surprised me how many breeders use Iams/Euk. Someone told me that it could be bc they're always at the dog shows as a vendor, and bc they give nice discounts to breeders at those shows. I dunno, that's just what I've heard.

They do give good discounts to breeders, and often times one of the prizes you win is this "dog food". It is a hoot to see all who don't feed that particular brand, going around trying to find a "taker" for the dog food.

Purina is big in the dog world as well.

My problem with the pups has always been; the adults get fed well it used to be raw (now it is home cooked), after a certain amount of time, usually by the time they are 3mths old, they turn their noses up to their kibble. Sigh... I want not to switch over until at least 6mths old. It's hard though when the big dogs, get the real meat, they know of course by smell that THEY are NOT eating what the big ones are, and it smells delish!. So I take to rolling the kibble around in the real meat. Then I eck out placing a tablespoon of real meat inside some kibble balls. I can usually get away with another month doing things this way.

The other problem I have as a breeder, is that I truly want the pups to stay on a good quality kibble, and no I don't feed Purina, Iams, or Eukanuba to pups), because most folks want to feed kibble. In one way it is more convenient, but given all those kibble recalls, jesh, I'm glad I home feed for the most part. My next litter I will have to once again investigate all the doggy brands, and try to pick one that seems to have the best quality and reputation.

Anyhow off to the vet.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky

Hey Yorkie Mom. Be kind!!
The poor mom to a new pup was only asking for advice and did not need, or I am sure, expect such a dressing down.
We talk a lot here about feeding our babies premium food and not giving the supermarket food. Posters are often chided for feeding the food mentioned above.
So when someone asks a perfectly innocent question please be considerate and don't take out your passions on her/him. This kind of post can really hurt a new poster and may make them fear asking for advice again.I just feel bad when some of our members treat others this way.I guess now I will be the bad guy!

?????????? I have done everything but lick her shoes, trying to apologize for really, doing nothing wrong but PERHAPS getting a little hyper about the need to immediately change a new puppys food during a time of great stress!!!!!!!!!! I DID NOT ATTACK HER, I ADDRESSED THE OFTEN EXPRESSED NEED SOME NEW OWNERS HAVE FOR CHANGING THE DIET THE NEW PUPPY COMES TO THEM EATING!!!! OMG!!!!! DRESSING DOWN?????????? "UNKIND"???????? "TREAT OTHERS THIS WAY"?????????????? You have GOT to be kidding me!!!!!! I guess it was a good thing I was not addressing some issue that would REALLY make me "dress down" a thought process expressed in a post. I DO NOT EVER "DRESS DOWN" THE POSTER, I ADDRESS THE THOUGHT PROCESS OR ACTION EXPRESSED!!! If this forum is going to take on an attitude of absurd political correctness so that one ADULT can not even POINT OUT behavior to another ADULT, that can lead to problems for the puppy as well as the new owner, then it has denigrated from an educational forum, to nothing but a social gathering of "proper tea sippers", where educated facts and opinions are no longer expressed, for fear someone is in such an emotionally delicate state of unbalance, they will be "offended" and God forbid, run screaming and flailing, away from the forum, because they couldnt stand the thought that someone strongly advised them to wait until the puppy was adjusted to their new home before changing their food, IF THE BABY WAS NOT SUFFERING FROM THE FOOD IT WAS ON .......When I saw her response to my suggestion new owners should not change the new puppys food immediately, I saw she felt I viciously attacked her, and I apologized to her. Now, be careful...... I may get MY feelings crushed and I may just go running away from this forum, crying and wailing because OTHER posters are now feeling the apparent NEED to PILE ON with condeming me and my intentions and my response, attacking me and "running" ME off !!!! NO NEED TO BEAT UP A PERSON THAT HAS ALREADY APOLOGIZED TO THE PERSON THAT WAS APPARENTLY OFFENDED.....YOU WILL RUN THEM OFF WITH SUCH BULLYING BEHAVIOR!

[Rescuemomma]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

When some one says they test on animals with dog food what exactly do they mean? Like are the evil about it or do they just set a bowl of food down and see if the dog likes it?

Animal testing means they have set groups, one eats one food, the rest eat another - At the end they KILL or do inhumane tests on the animals to test how they grew, bone density, and many other things to determine if the food was good. I won't support that. Food trials are another thing, but animal testing IMO is not something I'd support, however, while I don't like Proctor and Gamble and avoid their products when I can, if I bought a puppy that was raised on Iams, Eukanuba, etc, I wouldn't go changing that for at least 3-4 months BARE MINIMUM, and that's IF nothing else changed with the puppy, even a minor cold. The food is the ONLY thing that is familiar to that puppy and it's sensitive digestive track. By all means, feel free to change to a better food, but just give it some time before ripping the one familiar thing away. I'm completely with Yorkie Momma on this, as a vet tech I saw so many very very sick puppies because people changed their food to fast when they brought them home!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by BLowry

I watched a video on this...some of the dogs had really bad reactions to the food....seizures....it was HORRIBLE!!! the dogs were just laying there jerking around...I had to shut it off...couldn't watch it anymore.

Oh my gosh that is terrible!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

It was about...let's see...5-7 yrs ago when Euk/Iams was busted BIG time for cruelty to animals in their feeding trials. It was bad, disgusting. They supposedly changed their policies, but this is something I will always view as very important no matter how much time is passed - bc the culture of a business rarely truly changes its colors, so if it could happen once - I think it could more easily happen again.

It's always surprised me how many breeders use Iams/Euk. Someone told me that it could be bc they're always at the dog shows as a vendor, and bc they give nice discounts to breeders at those shows. I dunno, that's just what I've heard.

Yeah I don't think I could ever use a food after knowing they where cruel to animals no matter how long ago it was that's just a big no no to me. Poor animals

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Rescuemomma

Animal testing means they have set groups, one eats one food, the rest eat another - At the end they KILL or do inhumane tests on the animals to test how they grew, bone density, and many other things to determine if the food was good. I won't support that. Food trials are another thing, but animal testing IMO is not something I'd support, however, while I don't like Proctor and Gamble and avoid their products when I can, if I bought a puppy that was raised on Iams, Eukanuba, etc, I wouldn't go changing that for at least 3-4 months BARE MINIMUM, and that's IF nothing else changed with the puppy, even a minor cold. The food is the ONLY thing that is familiar to that puppy and it's sensitive digestive track. By all means, feel free to change to a better food, but just give it some time before ripping the one familiar thing away. I'm completely with Yorkie Momma on this, as a vet tech I saw so many very very sick puppies because people changed their food to fast when they brought them home!

Thank you for explaining that to me it sounds terrible and I don't think I could ever support that.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

It was about...let's see...5-7 yrs ago when Euk/Iams was busted BIG time for cruelty to animals in their feeding trials. It was bad, disgusting. They supposedly changed their policies, but this is something I will always view as very important no matter how much time is passed - bc the culture of a business rarely truly changes its colors, so if it could happen once - I think it could more easily happen again.

It's always surprised me how many breeders use Iams/Euk. Someone told me that it could be bc they're always at the dog shows as a vendor, and bc they give nice discounts to breeders at those shows. I dunno, that's just what I've heard.

Thanks for this explanation Ann......I often wondered about this....also Pedigree Dog food....they say in their advertisement that the "majority of winners from AKC dog shows are all fed Pedigree" (or something like that claim....AKC registered show dogs, or AKC breeders, or something...you get the idea!!!) I always wondered if this was true and why!!!

[arnolda30]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Do we remember when we were little grls, and we got a new doll? The very first thing I did with my new doll was take her home, strip her clothes off AND BATHE HER!! I have talked with alot of women down thru the years, and they too, could not wait to bathe that doll or wash her hair! I have noticed the very first thing new owners want to do when they get that adorable, bewildered, confused, a little frightened baby home, where it is trying to adjust to new smells, new people, new noises, new sights, new surroundings, new routine, etc is THEY WANT TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE THE FOOD THE BREEDER HAS THE BABY ON!!!! Why is this such a priority with new owners??? Why do you think, especially if you have a breeder that perhaps KNOWS what she is doing, why do you feel the food that she has weaned the baby on, has to go, and go NOW!!! IF YOUR PUPPY IS NOT HAVING UNTOWARD EFFECTS FROM THE FOOD IT IS ON, COMING TO YOU, FOR GOODNESS SAKE, LET THE BABY GET ADJUSTED TO ALL THE NEW STUFF AROUND HIM BEFORE YOU GO CHANGING THE ONLY THING HE HAS LEFT THAT EVEN HAS THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF FAMILIARITY FOR HIM!!!! I dont mean 10-15 minutes....I am talking maybe 8 months, maybe when you start changing him from a puppy blend to adult life stage kibble/food.....that is plenty of time to do earth shattering, jaw dropping, soul jerking changes in that baby's food!

Hey Yorkiemom... just relax. I totally get what your saying and it is valid point- absolutely, but wow! Your presentation of it sucks. It was just a simple question posted to gain the knowledge of others. Clearly this new mom wants what's in the best interest of her new pup, otherwise she wouldn't have asked to begin with. No need to attack. People come on here to gain information, friendship, and comradery. While it's obvious you have the knowledge to offer, may want to keep those others in mind.

Maxwell2405-
I also used Eukanuba, but that was many, many years ago w/ my sweet Charlie. He did well on that (puppy, then, small breed, I believe?) til about age 12, then, we eventually shifted him to something our vet recommended for his kidneys. Our two furbabies are on Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier Puppy. The puppies are thriving on it, vet is happy w/ it, and thus, so are we Good luck!

[dottiesyrky]

As Ronald Reagan once said....... "there you go again"!
It was not just the food issue it was your implication that "Max" was also doing other things that new pup moms do (bathe new dolls etc.......), when you had no evidence that she would do all or any of these bad things.
It would have been simple to just suggest that "Max" wait a little while to change food, until the pup was over the new home etc. There was no need for all the other stuff.
However I do understand that your words probably resulted from bad experience with some new inexperienced moms, and that it was a general admonition to those.

[CouversMom]

I think some people can be very passionate about their opinions and often will scare off new members with their posts. I try to avoid doing this, so here is my answer

I personally would not keep my puppy on Eukanuba. These few months are the most important months of your dog's life in regards to nutrition. They are growing and developing and need to get the best nutrition possible. I do not believe that Eukanuba is a good food at all and you couldn't pay me to feed it to my dogs.

My Couver was on Pedigree before we got him, but I went home with some of it and slowly switched him to Wellness. He did fine and he did not suffer a panic attack because I changed the only thing that was familar to him. He is a perfectly well-adjusted dog and has never complained to me about how I switched him from Pedigree too quickly.

[TxVicki]

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[Maxwell2405]

Originally Posted by CouversMom

I think some people can be very passionate about their opinions and often will scare off new members with their posts. I try to avoid doing this, so here is my answer

I personally would not keep my puppy on Eukanuba. These few months are the most important months of your dog's life in regards to nutrition. They are growing and developing and need to get the best nutrition possible. I do not believe that Eukanuba is a good food at all and you couldn't pay me to feed it to my dogs.

My Couver was on Pedigree before we got him, but I went home with some of it and slowly switched him to Wellness. He did fine and he did not suffer a panic attack because I changed the only thing that was familar to him. He is a perfectly well-adjusted dog and has never complained to me about how I switched him from Pedigree too quickly.

Michelle - You make a very good point here about the importance of good nutrition during the puppy's growing months. Thank you for posting your thoughts on this subject.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by CouversMom

I think some people can be very passionate about their opinions and often will scare off new members with their posts. I try to avoid doing this, so here is my answer

I personally would not keep my puppy on Eukanuba. These few months are the most important months of your dog's life in regards to nutrition. They are growing and developing and need to get the best nutrition possible. I do not believe that Eukanuba is a good food at all and you couldn't pay me to feed it to my dogs.

My Couver was on Pedigree before we got him, but I went home with some of it and slowly switched him to Wellness. He did fine and he did not suffer a panic attack because I changed the only thing that was familar to him. He is a perfectly well-adjusted dog and has never complained to me about how I switched him from Pedigree too quickly.

What she said. Do your research OP. It sounds like your taking your time, thinking this out and tryin to do what is best for your new little one. Happy researching!