What do you guys think about neutering?

[tom_kkh]

Originally Posted by yorkiedallas

Three dogs all turned nasty in a short amount of time? Sounds like something the owner is doing in terms of how they socialize/ raise their dogs. Mot likely the cause is 100% the owner's fault, not sterilizing the dogs. There is noting that can change a dog's personality overnight short of some sort of lobotomy.

nope. believe it a not, each of the owners have their dogs for 2-3 years before sterile.

after the operation, nothing has changed not even the diet or time of walks. they even used the same poo bags

[LanaHamilton]

My Freddie will be 10 mos. old the 13th of this month. I have not had him neutered yet because of his size....he's a little under 4 lbs. I'm worried because I have heard nightmare stories. I do plan to have him neutered, but is it right to wait until he is a little bigger?

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by tom_kkh

this is so not true.

I have neighbors with corgie, poodle and american cocker.

All turns more aggressive after sterile. So calmer dogs after sterile are very individual and the myth has been busted in my neighborhood.

The corgie used to love playing with dogs, now he cant stand dogs around him.

The poodle started barking at any human walking near her, doesnt seems to bother her much previously.

American cocker used to play with my westie. now he seems wary of him for whatever reason.

All this truly happened overnight right after the operation.

So think about it before u do it.

I'm sorry I do not not beleive this for a second.

Its proven temperment is improved after alter in males, so this story doesn't have the ring of truth in there is something else at play.. food and poop bags have little bearing unless they are an irritant.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by LanaHamilton

My Freddie will be 10 mos. old the 13th of this month. I have not had him neutered yet because of his size....he's a little under 4 lbs. I'm worried because I have heard nightmare stories. I do plan to have him neutered, but is it right to wait until he is a little bigger?

Nothing wrong with it. Kaji was neutered at 12 months. He doesn't hump, or mark in the house (after a little training and his hormones were out of his system)

[gemy]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I'm sorry I do not not beleive this for a second.

Its proven temperment is improved after alter in males, so this story doesn't have the ring of truth in there is something else at play.. food and poop bags have little bearing unless they are an irritant.

From the article "Early Spay and Neuter Considerations" for the Canine Athlete by Dr. Chris Zink-Phd.


Behavioral Considerations

The study that identified a higher incidence of cranial cruciate ligamentrupture in spayed or neutered dogs also identified an increased incidence ofsexual behaviors in males and females that were neutered early.(5) Further, thestudy that identified a higher incidence of hip dysplasia in dogs neutered orspayed before 5 1/2 months also showed that early age gonadectomy wasassociated with an increased incidence of noise phobias and undesirable sexualbehaviors.(6) A recent report of the American Kennel Club Canine HealthFoundation reported significantly more behavioral problems in spayed andneutered bitches and dogs. The most commonly observed behavioral problem inspayed females was fearful behavior and the most common problem in males wasaggression.(12)

Full article has been posted here many times; the numbers against the sentences refer to the research studies.

It is quite possible that this poster is posting what he believes true facts. Mayhap in a way that is hard to believe.

I share a story again; a true one. At a seminar for canine athletes, our presenter asked the question of the group of 40 or so participants. How many of you have experienced dog aggression in a leash free environment? Now understand the preponderance of dogs there were NOT neutered, including my own. About all the hands went up! Yes I have. Now how many of you know it was from a neutered male? About 6 or so hands went down. In otherwords roughly 34 or so of the respondents experienced aggression from a neutered male.

Albeit this is a small sample size. But the worst aggressors to my Magic and Razzle were "always" neutered animals. Which is not to say that there is never dog to dog attacks or fights with un-neutered males. But it is a lot rarer than you think. We had last week on vacation 5 un-neutered males, and gosh what 5-6 intact females; there was NO dog to dog aggression at all. Not between the Yorkie Males, and certainly not from Magic to the Yorkies, or the Yorkies to Magic.

In all my years of showing, and by definition these dogs are all intact, I have only witnessed outside of the ring, three dog "fights". All were quickly controlled and no-one was hurt. But it was 2 fights with bitches, and only one male to male fight. In my experience un-neutered males rarely fight. They may posture and roar, but they are chary of getting into a fight with a male of equal size and determination.

A dog fight is never an easy thing to watch and to stop. But just like any other animal world, dogs have a whole vernacular of communication with one another. Mainly fighting is the last resort for males. But females are another kettle of fish.

This is my experience and some research to back this up.

.

[GeorgiesMomma]

Originally Posted by LanaHamilton

My Freddie will be 10 mos. old the 13th of this month. I have not had him neutered yet because of his size....he's a little under 4 lbs. I'm worried because I have heard nightmare stories. I do plan to have him neutered, but is it right to wait until he is a little bigger?

Lana I know how you feel we waited until Georgie was a bit older but at the time of his neuter he was still only 3.8lbs. They did pre-op blood work which is important and everything went fine

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by GeorgiesMomma

Lana I know how you feel we waited until Georgie was a bit older but at the time of his neuter he was still only 3.8lbs. They did pre-op blood work which is important and everything went fine

I agree with you, the bloodwork is so important. Some tinies are tiny because they have liver problems, so they have a problem with the anethesia not because the are small, but because of the weak liver. Besides the bloodwork, make sure your vet is experienced working with the toy breeds, they have special needs.

[concretegurl]

Very interesting. My personal experience has been the oposite with unaltered males, however females it never seemed to matter.

Thanks for the article, I dont see it as very scientific in the determination of the group and subjectiveness but a very interesting read.

Originally Posted by gemy

From the article "Early Spay and Neuter Considerations" for the Canine Athlete by Dr. Chris Zink-Phd.


Behavioral Considerations

The study that identified a higher incidence of cranial cruciate ligamentrupture in spayed or neutered dogs also identified an increased incidence ofsexual behaviors in males and females that were neutered early.(5) Further, thestudy that identified a higher incidence of hip dysplasia in dogs neutered orspayed before 5 1/2 months also showed that early age gonadectomy wasassociated with an increased incidence of noise phobias and undesirable sexualbehaviors.(6) A recent report of the American Kennel Club Canine HealthFoundation reported significantly more behavioral problems in spayed andneutered bitches and dogs. The most commonly observed behavioral problem inspayed females was fearful behavior and the most common problem in males wasaggression.(12)

Full article has been posted here many times; the numbers against the sentences refer to the research studies.

It is quite possible that this poster is posting what he believes true facts. Mayhap in a way that is hard to believe.

I share a story again; a true one. At a seminar for canine athletes, our presenter asked the question of the group of 40 or so participants. How many of you have experienced dog aggression in a leash free environment? Now understand the preponderance of dogs there were NOT neutered, including my own. About all the hands went up! Yes I have. Now how many of you know it was from a neutered male? About 6 or so hands went down. In otherwords roughly 34 or so of the respondents experienced aggression from a neutered male.

Albeit this is a small sample size. But the worst aggressors to my Magic and Razzle were "always" neutered animals. Which is not to say that there is never dog to dog attacks or fights with un-neutered males. But it is a lot rarer than you think. We had last week on vacation 5 un-neutered males, and gosh what 5-6 intact females; there was NO dog to dog aggression at all. Not between the Yorkie Males, and certainly not from Magic to the Yorkies, or the Yorkies to Magic.

In all my years of showing, and by definition these dogs are all intact, I have only witnessed outside of the ring, three dog "fights". All were quickly controlled and no-one was hurt. But it was 2 fights with bitches, and only one male to male fight. In my experience un-neutered males rarely fight. They may posture and roar, but they are chary of getting into a fight with a male of equal size and determination.

A dog fight is never an easy thing to watch and to stop. But just like any other animal world, dogs have a whole vernacular of communication with one another. Mainly fighting is the last resort for males. But females are another kettle of fish.

This is my experience and some research to back this up.

.

[yorkietalkjilly]

When one sees studies or research data or a compilation of statistics, it would be so good to know if it is all done on Rottweiler males of a certain age only or all dog breeds and mixes of all ages, the dates and time-frame of the study, the ages of the animals studied during its course, whether they are all pets or lab animals or what the mix is, medications they have been on, associated medical conditions, whether they have bred/bore puppies, etc., and of course, who funded and wrote/edited/published the final study. So many things affect data and it can be quoted endlessly pro and con even sometimes but without some parameters, it is so hard to reach any solid conclusions from any certain study or any one clinic/research center's studies.

[Alvi]

Mine is 12 pounds or so so I think he'll be ok, I don't know why I am a bit scared about the decision, it's my first dog and It's silly to think that I would want him to have puppies in this over populated dog world.
I also have this kind of thing about the poor thing loosing his manhood but I guess in reality it doesn't matter with dogs

[concretegurl]

Do the preop bloodwork.

I aleays incist my dogs are the first on the table and come home with me that day.

[1kumiko]

I think the pros are far greater than the cons. I'm no expert, but everyone knows about the unwanted dog overpopulation, & it's common sense that the only way to lower the numbers of euthanized pets it's by reducing the rate of their reproduction, aka neutering/spaying.

I neutered my dog around 6 months of age, 1) his public humping behavior was undesirable 2) to not make marking a habit 3) because I only wanted 1 dog, the only I can care & handle appropriately.

His humping behavior reduced to a 25%, his marking is the same! he's never been aggressive, well, his barking to strangers didnt change. but I believe I did good by neutering him, because that's part of responsable pet-ownership.

[SWHouston]

I am unopposed to alteration, or not to, WHEN there's a good reason for it. I am referring to "our" dogs, not those running loose, or in a Shelter because of irresponsible ownership. That is a good reason, for "regularly" altering animals. When they "sell" one, they never know if it will be back or not.

My Male Sneakers and My Female Becca are brother and sister.
Becca has been altered, I don't want incestuous breeding.
Sneakers has not been altered.

Reasons for not altering Sneakers are:
Teresa is right, leaving a Male intact supports his aggression and Territorial instincts. That's what I want. I use my animals for Security purposes, and want them to be as territorial as possible. I don't mean an Attack Dog, but to "Guard" and alarm, and to do that quite aggressively.
Reason two for leaving Sneakers intact is, that his Sire is getting quite old, and he is a very good candidate to carry on that Bloodline, and trust me, I DON'T want to loose that resource.

With that in mind, I don't mind a little "attitude".

But beyond that, concerning demenor...
Becca never met a Stranger, and
Sneakers doesn't like anyone (else).

[Alvi]

Yeah, mine is really humping everyone's feet and stuff, I try to correct him but it seems like he's not listening when he's so concentrated humping