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[quote=Ellie May;3984337]i would not vaccinate yearly. Actually, my yorkie has not been vaxed for DHP in several years. My dog did have a severe reaction to a vaccine and I do soetimes see reactions when spending time at veterinary hospitals. Breeders really should have inj benadryl and steoids on hand which I doubt most do. I no longer do titers because of. the discrepancy of humoral vs cellular immunity and what shows with testing. They were a waste of money for us.[/QUO Quote:
I know many breeders and owners feel otherwise but I think only a medical professional should give injections dock tails crop ears or remove dew claws if for nothing else having the needed materials for a what if readily availible |
fwiw a monkey can give shots. If you ever had a shot what the difference? Take a day class and you can have somebody give them to you. |
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I'm just saying IMHO its not the poking its the injection of highly dangerous materials that concerns me. |
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And, while we are talking about ACV, it does noy say on the link that it's a cure for parvo.... It states: Apple cider vinegar has excellent antibacterial and antifungal properties that give the immune*system a good boost, arming your dog with the strength to ward*off pests like fleas and ticks and also diseases like parvo virus in dogs and parvo in puppies. It never says to use it as a cure or as a preventative. It says to use it as an antibacterial and anti fungal which makes no sense because parvo is a VIRUS. That's like prescribing an antibiotic for a cold. In fact, the page I pulled the above from has a link about parvo and they even suggest getting your dog vaccinated. |
Hmmm bad link google it acv killa parvo on surfaces same as anomia. |
[QUOTE=McheleM;3984607]It's phlebotomy. And monkeys don't draw blood. Phlebotomists do. Phlebotomists do not administer shots. Shots are either intramuscular or subcutaneous. Phlebotomists must hit a vein. If you hit a vein during a shot, you've done it wrong. So having a phlebotomy certification has nothing to do with administering shots.[/QUOTE Thanks for correcting my spelling! Cnonaidering I dropped the course go figure...notice tgwre was implied sarcasm in my analogy of those who draw blood...and no use of the word monkey made by me...I guess some analogies are too much of a strech for some people to apply... |
Nevermind...the USDA has banned any such clains of any disease or illness being cured by ACV so all sites promoting such can only make vlains now on its aiding or potentially benneficial qualitues...they cannot use the word cure or make claims if it being an effective cleaning agent that kills the parvo ir anyother virus or bacteria, it can only be noted as having antibacterial qualities. Curently the USDA also literally owns the word organic and many previiusly labled orgabic mothers avc are now being relabled not specifying organic unless they have been evaluated to making only USDA evaluated statements on its usage...not sure why but there are some FDA law suits between acv manufacturers. |
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I have personal experience with a parvo puppy. He spent 10 days at the vet and we thought we would lose him. When you google parvo and how to "kill it", bleach pops up. There are antiviral sprays you can purchase as well. Ammonia doesn't kill it either according to google. Anyone can always find something online to prove their point, however it doesn't make the I formation accurate and true. I've read where you can use ACV to kill group beta strep in pregnant women too, but it doesn't mean I would ever suggest to a GBS+ pregnant woman to skip on the antibiotics and use the ACV instead. I get being natural. We are mostly natural, but common sense comes into play as well. Someone told me to quit eating red meat and to drink some kind of herbal tea to get rid of cancer. My research tells me otherwise. Common sense says to go with what works and what is proven. |
Okay then...well whatever I beleive in ACV. As far as the other claims they just sound so silly common sense should prevail on that. For the record I passed on radiation therapy and took a nonfda approved treatment to cure my cancer after chemo drugs andfor surgeries failed me twice. |
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I don't think there is a point to this any longer, but whatever. It is not simply sticking the needle in. That line of thinking is part of the reason why I think breeders should not be allowed to do it. It is ignoring the anatomical, physiological, biochemical, immunological, toxicological, and pharmacological aspects of the process. If a vet trusts a breeder and believes they have enough knowledge to vaccinate, that is fine. That does not necessarily mean that I will also trust said breeder. I've read about breeders given vaccines on YT after learning from their vet - and their medical knowledge really concerns me. I'm also fairly certain that most don't keep injectible Benadryl or steroids on hand because these things are rx only. I give certain injectibles to my dog and am trusted by her vet. And I still do not vaccinate my dogs. I do not see the point. I'd rather have a vet on site when these types of drugs are given. Well, I guess if a monkey can do it, I should not waste my time applying to vet school. I'll just go spend my time learning in the primate enclosure at the zoo. |
I too will never be giving vaccines to my pups. I do at times do certain injectables...but not vaccines. My education and background have helped me understand that it is not in my pups' best interest. While vaccine reactions are indeed rare, they can occur and I am not going to have anything like that happen on my watch in my home. Sure, a monkey can stick in a needle in, but can a monkey save my pups life? Not a chance .. even I could not do that. Best left to the professionals imo. To each his own...as for breeders doing it, it is about bottom line (money) and that concerns me greatly....but, I am not in the market for a puppy so I won't be dealing with it firsthand. |
I don't think vaccines are anything to monkey around with. And, there is no indication that a breeder is or is not a good one simply because he/she is administering the vaccines rather than a vet. It also has no bearing on whether the breeder is putting a lot into their dogs or not. Some may be, but others be cutting corners to maximize profit margins. |
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Okay, I'm going to have to disagree with you once again...:)...go to school! :thumbup: Although, having the ability to throw pooh at people and get away with it-I can see the appeal! :D |
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