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chachi · 05-24-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

I'm so so sorry. What heppened?

Yes Im wondering too and did your vet do wellness bloodwork before the neuter?

DvlshAngel985 · 05-24-2012, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi

Yes Im wondering too and did your vet do wellness bloodwork before the neuter?

No pressure to answer us. I know this is still raw and you may not want to talk about it.

DvlshAngel985 · 05-24-2012, 11:24 AM

Sorry. Double post.

Yorkiemom1 · 05-24-2012, 06:44 PM

OMG!!OMG!!OMG.....I can NOT believe this....you POOR thing.......PLEASE, when you are feeling a little better, PLEASE let us know what in the world happened......I am soooooooo sorry....shock and awe..........

Yorkiemom1 · 05-24-2012, 06:48 PM

When you can catch your breath and can talk....find out about blood work done before the surgery....find out exactly what anesthesia was used.....find out if they gave an IV sedation before they put him under.........

Pharrells_Mom · 05-26-2012, 11:09 AM

Thanks everyone. They did do a blood test before the surgery and he did great, I'm not sure what kind of anesthesia they used we are still trying to get answers but here is what we have so far. He did great the whole surgery and when she was closing him up he started to have shallow breathing and the took the tube out and started doing mouth to mouth. They gave him injections to try to jump start his heart and nothing worked, so we got the call.... We were so devastated that the vet is paying for the autopsy and is updating us every step of the way. They did the initial autopsy and said he had a liver shunt and enlarged kidney but, seeing as though he couldn't make it though this surgery having the surgery for the liver shunt would have had the same outcome. Also this is just the INITIAL autopsy they still haven't got the results back for all the samples they sent out. I wish I would have say the signs earlier but I thought it was just normally puppy stuff but he didn't eat much, he was always tired even after just 10 mins of walking and he drank water like a fish. We would go through a half gallon of water the last 2 weeks.

DvlshAngel985 · 05-26-2012, 12:29 PM

Hugs to you!! It's such a terrible, terrible loss. If you ever need to talk, we're here for you.

yorkietalkjilly · 05-26-2012, 12:39 PM

Oh, this is just tragic news. I am so sorry. Please accept my condolences for the sudden loss of your Little One. You must be in absolute shock. I know how bad it hurts & I am praying for you.

kjc · 05-26-2012, 01:09 PM

Oh no! I'm so very sorry... My heart is breaking for you. So very sad... Hugs, Kathy

LunasMomma · 05-26-2012, 01:17 PM

Oh no

I'm so so sorry

We are all here for you if you want to talk, vent, cry, whatever. Most of us here have lost a loved one ourselves and know how devastating it is.

Hugs to you and your family.

ladyjane · 05-26-2012, 01:25 PM

Oh, I am SO sorry.

Pharrells_Mom · 05-26-2012, 02:25 PM

Yes we are very shocked. I think I stopped breath when the doctor was talking to me. I didn't understand how such a routine procedure can go SO wrong. Buts the pain is getting better now that we are getting answers. We also have a lawyer to see what we can do legally, seeing as though those are congenital and we have a warranty from the breeder saying they will "replace" the puppy if he is found to have congenital problems but he died so how does that work. And I also thought most of the time you don't find big problems like that until the puppy dies or is past 2 yrs old.

kjc · 05-26-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharrells_Mom

Yes we are very shocked. I think I stopped breath when the doctor was talking to me. I didn't understand how such a routine procedure can go SO wrong. Buts the pain is getting better now that we are getting answers. We also have a lawyer to see what we can do legally, seeing as though those are congenital and we have a warranty from the breeder saying they will "replace" the puppy if he is found to have congenital problems but he died so how does that work. And I also thought most of the time you don't find big problems like that until the puppy dies or is past 2 yrs old.

Each dog/puppy is different. It all depends on how well the liver is functioning and their diet. A dog can survive even if only 1/4 of the liver is in working order. Pups who start showing symptoms earlier in life have worse problems than the ones who don't show symptoms till later in life or some don't have any symptoms at all.

Many are diagnosed or suspect to LS during spay/neuter due to their inability to process the anesthesia from their bodies.

gemy · 05-26-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharrells_Mom

Thanks everyone. They did do a blood test before the surgery and he did great, I'm not sure what kind of anesthesia they used we are still trying to get answers but here is what we have so far. He did great the whole surgery and when she was closing him up he started to have shallow breathing and the took the tube out and started doing mouth to mouth. They gave him injections to try to jump start his heart and nothing worked, so we got the call.... We were so devastated that the vet is paying for the autopsy and is updating us every step of the way. They did the initial autopsy and said he had a liver shunt and enlarged kidney but, seeing as though he couldn't make it though this surgery having the surgery for the liver shunt would have had the same outcome. Also this is just the INITIAL autopsy they still haven't got the results back for all the samples they sent out. I wish I would have say the signs earlier but I thought it was just normally puppy stuff but he didn't eat much, he was always tired even after just 10 mins of walking and he drank water like a fish. We would go through a half gallon of water the last 2 weeks.

Well obviously now you know that these signs are not Normal. For future reference the Bile Acids Test should be done at 16 wks old and 6 months old, well before surgery; this is a specific test that helps to show how well the liver is functioning.

Don't be so quick to assume based on what one vet (the one who is invested given your dog died under their knife) that your pup would not have survived LS surgery. Many dogs do.

I want to say how sorry and dreadful this must be for you.

But as a further thought do you really want to get another pup from this breeder? In terms of genetic conditions unfortunately your vet did NOT test for LS prior to surgery; the dog obviously according to him had an extrahepatic shunt, but why wouldn't he have tested for LS? He definitely should have known (and so should you) that LS is not an UNCOMMON problem in yorkies

I'm so sorry to be so blunt, how-ever LS is a very Well KNOWN common problem with Yorkies. Common being up to 30% or so of Yorkies can have liver problems!

Pharrells_Mom · 05-26-2012, 04:26 PM

I have no idea why she didnt test for LS, but normally in our area they dont give ANY tests before neutering they just do the surgery. I had no idea about bile test or LS, but I do now. And no I dont really want another puppy from this breeder or a puppy or pet PERIOD. I cant see going through this again.... I know doing test can rue out all the things that happen to him but we thougt by taking him for his initial testing was the key to making sure he didnt have any problems but I guess not...

05-24-2012, 11:24 AM	#18
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05-26-2012, 12:29 PM	#22
DvlshAngel985 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 12,693	Hugs to you!! It's such a terrible, terrible loss. If you ever need to talk, we're here for you. __________________ Littlest JakJak We miss you Kaji

05-26-2012, 12:39 PM	#23
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	Oh, this is just tragic news. I am so sorry. Please accept my condolences for the sudden loss of your Little One. You must be in absolute shock. I know how bad it hurts & I am praying for you. __________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis

05-26-2012, 01:09 PM	#24
kjc I♥PeekTinkySaph&Finny Donating Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 18,872	Oh no! I'm so very sorry... My heart is breaking for you. So very sad... Hugs, Kathy __________________ Kat Chloe Lizzy PeekABooTinkerbell SapphireInfinity

05-26-2012, 01:17 PM	#25
LunasMomma Izzy's Momma Too! Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Stuart, Florida Posts: 8,799	Oh no I'm so so sorry We are all here for you if you want to talk, vent, cry, whatever. Most of us here have lost a loved one ourselves and know how devastating it is. Hugs to you and your family. __________________ Tracy, Mom to Izzy and Luna

05-24-2012, 06:44 PM	#19
Yorkiemom1 Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 9,462	OMG!!OMG!!OMG.....I can NOT believe this....you POOR thing.......PLEASE, when you are feeling a little better, PLEASE let us know what in the world happened......I am soooooooo sorry....shock and awe..........

05-24-2012, 06:48 PM	#20
Yorkiemom1 Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 9,462	When you can catch your breath and can talk....find out about blood work done before the surgery....find out exactly what anesthesia was used.....find out if they gave an IV sedation before they put him under.........

05-26-2012, 11:09 AM	#21
Pharrells_Mom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2012 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 25	Thanks everyone. They did do a blood test before the surgery and he did great, I'm not sure what kind of anesthesia they used we are still trying to get answers but here is what we have so far. He did great the whole surgery and when she was closing him up he started to have shallow breathing and the took the tube out and started doing mouth to mouth. They gave him injections to try to jump start his heart and nothing worked, so we got the call.... We were so devastated that the vet is paying for the autopsy and is updating us every step of the way. They did the initial autopsy and said he had a liver shunt and enlarged kidney but, seeing as though he couldn't make it though this surgery having the surgery for the liver shunt would have had the same outcome. Also this is just the INITIAL autopsy they still haven't got the results back for all the samples they sent out. I wish I would have say the signs earlier but I thought it was just normally puppy stuff but he didn't eat much, he was always tired even after just 10 mins of walking and he drank water like a fish. We would go through a half gallon of water the last 2 weeks.

05-26-2012, 01:25 PM	#26
ladyjane Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 27,490	Oh, I am SO sorry. __________________ CLOUD NINE BEDS--YORKIE HAVEN RESCUE MY ETSY SHOP

05-26-2012, 02:25 PM	#27
Pharrells_Mom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2012 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 25	Yes we are very shocked. I think I stopped breath when the doctor was talking to me. I didn't understand how such a routine procedure can go SO wrong. Buts the pain is getting better now that we are getting answers. We also have a lawyer to see what we can do legally, seeing as though those are congenital and we have a warranty from the breeder saying they will "replace" the puppy if he is found to have congenital problems but he died so how does that work. And I also thought most of the time you don't find big problems like that until the puppy dies or is past 2 yrs old.

05-26-2012, 04:26 PM	#30
Pharrells_Mom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2012 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 25	I have no idea why she didnt test for LS, but normally in our area they dont give ANY tests before neutering they just do the surgery. I had no idea about bile test or LS, but I do now. And no I dont really want another puppy from this breeder or a puppy or pet PERIOD. I cant see going through this again.... I know doing test can rue out all the things that happen to him but we thougt by taking him for his initial testing was the key to making sure he didnt have any problems but I guess not...