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Sheldonsmom 04-03-2012 03:45 PM
Oh why is his skin so flaky and dry all the sudden????
 
I gave Sheldon a bath yesterday, using the same shampoo and conditioner I have been using for 1 1/2 months and I noticed today, all the sudden his skin is so dry and flaky. I wonder if I didn't rinse the shampoo well enough.

Nancy1999 04-03-2012 03:54 PM
Joey's breeder said 90% if the time white flakes can come from not rinsing good enough, but she did add that dry air can also cause flaky skin. I imagine you have used your heater in your home last winter and that might dry out the skin, do you use a conditioner? It's important to use a conditioner since we bath Yorkies more than other dogs. My little foster had white flaky skin and I give him an extra dose of conditioner and I've also added a little ground flax seed to his diet.

Sheldonsmom 04-03-2012 04:12 PM
Thank you Nancy, I do have a conditioner and we are in CT so our heater has been on but we have radiators so not forced air.
I would give him a bath to re-rinse and re-condition but he had his lyme vaccine today and the poor guy is not feeling too well.
I will look into the flax seed :) Do you grind the seeds? Sheldon is on dry food only so I don't know how the flax seeds would work with his food. Some one mentioned they add some oil, maybe coconut to the dry food?

Thanks again for your suggestions!

Nancy1999 04-03-2012 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheldonsmom (Post 3871168)
Thank you Nancy, I do have a conditioner and we are in CT so our heater has been on but we have radiators so not forced air.
I would give him a bath to re-rinse and re-condition but he had his lyme vaccine today and the poor guy is not feeling too well.
I will look into the flax seed :) Do you grind the seeds? Sheldon is on dry food only so I don't know how the flax seeds would work with his food. Some one mentioned they add some oil, maybe coconut to the dry food?

Thanks again for your suggestions!
I buy the ground flax seed, but you have to refrigerate it, the oil will go rancid. If you grind it yourself, the seeds will last for years, and you only grind what your will be using, or refrigerate the rest, but don't give whole seeds, they won't digest the outer cover to release the oil. There is also flax seed oil and many other different types of oils that people use, but I like ground flax seed, not just for the oil but its also good for intestinal health. I give Joey about a tablespoon, sprinkled on his dry food, and my foster is now getting 2 tsp. I worked up from 1 tsp. His food is very low fat, so I'm guessing the oil is beneficial, and he’s the one with the flakes, his skin is much better than it was, he had some huge flakes and he’s such a little guy. :p

I know lots of people recommend coconut oil, I bought some and then someone said it might cause pancreatitis so I didn't give it to him. I almost used it topically, but his problem seems to be clearing up. Not sure how much to use, but someone else here might know the dosage. There's also fish oil capsules, that many recommend.

Sheldonsmom 04-03-2012 04:48 PM
Ohh ok, I will try that then :)
Sheldon is on now fresh grain free for small breed, not sure how the fat content compares to other food, let me check...it says crude fat 17%.
It is a salmon, duck and turkey base food and it has flax seeds, omega 3 and 6 oils from coconut and canola.

Nancy1999 04-03-2012 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheldonsmom (Post 3871241)
Ohh ok, I will try that then :)
Sheldon is on now fresh grain free for small breed, not sure how the fat content compares to other food, let me check...it says crude fat 17%.
It is a salmon, duck and turkey base food and it has flax seeds, omega 3 and 6 oils from coconut and canola.
Oh wow, that sounds like he's getting lots of good oil. So, I'm not sure, you do use a dog shampoo right? I guess I would just try rinsing longer and see if that helps. Biogroom makes a good shampoo and conditioner and the shampoo is said to contain ingrediants that make it easier to rinse away. If you email the company, they will send you some free samples. Bio-Groom - Exceptional Pet Care Products for Over 30 Years

Sheldonsmom 04-04-2012 04:04 AM
I use yorkie splash and shine, been giving him a bath with it for almost 2 months and never had any problems. I wonder if this would happen if you don't rinse the conditioner really well. I forgot to say I did a semi-rinse with the conditioner but never thought this would be the reason for the dryness and flakiness.

Nancy1999 04-04-2012 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Sheldonsmom (Post 3871658)
I use yorkie splash and shine, been giving him a bath with it for almost 2 months and never had any problems. I wonder if this would happen if you don't rinse the conditioner really well. I forgot to say I did a semi-rinse with the conditioner but never thought this would be the reason for the dryness and flakiness.
Some conditions say you don't have to rinse them out thoroughly, however others need to be rinsed thoroughly. Especially those that have a waxy type of base, they build up over time. I used to use one with a balsam type of base and it coated the hair shaft and left the hair very nice in the beginning, but over time, the hair became sticky, and then I needed a clarifying shampoo to remove the wax. Of course, a clarifying shampoo is actually a really strong shampoo, which in turn strips the hair of everything including natural oils. Not familiar with your product, and I’m not saying it’s doing this, but I do know that some conditioners can do this.

Your food sounds like it's not causing any problems, so I think I would try looking at the grooming products, it may take a couple of months to see how a product works in time.

chachi 04-04-2012 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3871202)
I buy the ground flax seed, but you have to refrigerate it, the oil will go rancid. If you grind it yourself, the seeds will last for years, and you only grind what your will be using, or refrigerate the rest, but don't give whole seeds, they won't digest the outer cover to release the oil. There is also flax seed oil and many other different types of oils that people use, but I like ground flax seed, not just for the oil but its also good for intestinal health. I give Joey about a tablespoon, sprinkled on his dry food, and my foster is now getting 2 tsp. I worked up from 1 tsp. His food is very low fat, so I'm guessing the oil is beneficial, and he’s the one with the flakes, his skin is much better than it was, he had some huge flakes and he’s such a little guy. :p

I know lots of people recommend coconut oil, I bought some and then someone said it might cause pancreatitis so I didn't give it to him. I almost used it topically, but his problem seems to be clearing up. Not sure how much to use, but someone else here might know the dosage. There's also fish oil capsules, that many recommend.
I purchased some coconut oil and use it on my hair. I put it on at night and keep it on then wash out in the morning. It makes my hair super soft. You have to wash it out though it makes your hair greasy thats why I put it in the evening

Nancy1999 04-04-2012 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3871897)
I purchased some coconut oil and use it on my hair. I put it on at night and keep it on then wash out in the morning. It makes my hair super soft. You have to wash it out though it makes your hair greasy thats why I put it in the evening
Do Chachi and Jewels want to lick your hair all night long? :D Seriously, I've been thinking of putting that on Ralphies back, but I wondered if he'd lick it all night.

chachi 04-04-2012 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3871903)
Do Chachi and Jewels want to lick your hair all night long? :D Seriously, I've been thinking of putting that on Ralphies back, but I wondered if he'd lick it all night.
No Im gonna try it on their hair too

Nancy1999 04-04-2012 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3871956)
No Im gonna try it on their hair too
Let us know how that works out.

Yorkiedaze 04-04-2012 09:35 AM
Dry air inside, then you need a humidifier. Feeding dry kibble, then add a teaspoon of olive oil twice daily. Then make sure you have a gentle shampoo, and during the winter, dilute it down. Rinse really well. Use a good conditioner. Not one you "leave-in".
Ground flax is more expensive than whole, so if you have a little coffee grinder, then buy the whole flax and grind yourself. Just grind about 1/4 cup at a time and keep in the fridge and add a teaspoon twice daily.
Food can also be a major source of dry flakey skin and bumps that itch. It's completely impossible to figure out what the source of the allergy could be in a bag of kibble since the list of ingredients is extremely lengthy.
I home cook but they are on a Vegan diet since they are allergic to beef, poultry, fish and dairy. It's easy to find the allergy with home cooking. ;)

Nancy1999 04-04-2012 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze (Post 3871972)
Dry air inside, then you need a humidifier. Feeding dry kibble, then add a teaspoon of olive oil twice daily. Then make sure you have a gentle shampoo, and during the winter, dilute it down. Rinse really well. Use a good conditioner. Not one you "leave-in".
Ground flax is more expensive than whole, so if you have a little coffee grinder, then buy the whole flax and grind yourself. Just grind about 1/4 cup at a time and keep in the fridge and add a teaspoon twice daily.
Food can also be a major source of dry flakey skin and bumps that itch. It's completely impossible to figure out what the source of the allergy could be in a bag of kibble since the list of ingredients is extremely lengthy.
I home cook but they are on a Vegan diet since they are allergic to beef, poultry, fish and dairy. It's easy to find the allergy with home cooking. ;)
Ralphie is on a food that is made for dogs with allergies and has limited ingredients, Wellness Simple Solutions, so it is a little easier to figure out what ingredient they are sensitive to. Ralphie has no bumps that itch, just white flakes so I really think it's has to do with dry skin that caused either internally, (not enough fat in diet) environmentally (dry air) or topically (grooming products and how they are used i.e. not rinsing enough, or too harsh contains alcohol, or waxy substance etc.)

Are all of your dog’s allergic to beef, poultry, fish, and dairy, isn't that unusual? Do they come from the same line? Glad you found something that works.

sportschick 04-04-2012 03:57 PM
Hi, I was having the same problem of the dry flakey, dandruff with Beanie. I bought Salmon oil and I put a little bit in her food every day. It really has helped.

Sheldonsmom 04-04-2012 03:57 PM
I use coconut oil and the smell makes me a little sick. Too strong and no, it doesn't smell like pina colada and that's too bad lol I have used it on Sheldon's hair after he is all dry and brushed. The funny part is that he doesn't seem to be too itchy.

Sheldonsmom 04-04-2012 03:58 PM
Now where do you get salmon oil and how bad does that smell? His breath already has a fishy scent hehehe

Nancy1999 04-04-2012 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheldonsmom (Post 3872342)
I use coconut oil and the smell makes me a little sick. Too strong and no, it doesn't smell like pina colada and that's too bad lol I have used it on Sheldon's hair after he is all dry and brushed. The funny part is that he doesn't seem to be too itchy.
I know, some suntan lotions have coconut oil and smell so wonderful I was hoping it would smell like that.

Sheldonsmom 04-04-2012 04:06 PM
Yeah, it smells like rancid coconut hahahaha

Nancy1999 04-04-2012 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheldonsmom (Post 3872358)
Yeah, it smells like rancid coconut hahahaha
Lol! Yummy!

sportschick 04-04-2012 04:08 PM
I get the salmon oil at PetSmart. It is actually made by GNC for dogs. It doesn't smell bad at all, which I was very surprised at. If she gets any in her face hairs, I just put ice cubes in her water and she "washes" her face searching for the ice cubes to chew on. Then I play with her with an old white sock and kind of wipe her face while we play. It gets any of the fishy smell off her. I have to fake her out to clean her face. LOL

I also give her the Nylabone greenies and spray her mouth with this all natural tarter, plaque and breath spray. I have to wait till she is sleeping on my lap to spray the stuff on her teeth. Again, the fake out. BUT, it takes care of the fishy smell.

Sheldonsmom 04-08-2012 11:16 AM
I have to fake her out to clean her face. LOL

hahaha, that was funny.

Just wanted to let you know I gave Sheldon a bath today, made sure I rinsed both shampoo and conditioner really well. He has no flakes and his skin isn't dry :)

Note to self...never use regular conditioner as a leave in.

Thank you all so much for all the suggestions :)

chachi 04-08-2012 11:27 AM
The coconut oil I have smells like coconut and not rancid coconut it smells good

Sheldonsmom 04-08-2012 11:29 AM
where did you get it?

mimimomo 04-08-2012 01:04 PM
rinse, rinse, rinse, massage, rinse, rinse, rinse

chachi 04-08-2012 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheldonsmom (Post 3875696)
where did you get it?
off the internet at a health food site. Just google coconut oil theres tons of places that sell it

RileyDC 04-08-2012 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheldonsmom (Post 3871125)
I gave Sheldon a bath yesterday, using the same shampoo and conditioner I have been using for 1 1/2 months and I noticed today, all the sudden his skin is so dry and flaky. I wonder if I didn't rinse the shampoo well enough.
It could be that you didn't rinse all the conditioner out....
Riley gets environmental allergies, and I have been putting Nordic Naturals Omega-3 Pet once a day. I had the liquid and then was given a bottle of the pills. I just snip the end of the pill and squeeze it on his food.

CNGJqZKbpq8CFcJM4AoduwvEYA Nordic Naturals for Dogs at Only Natural Pet Store

I also have a bottle of Nutiva Coconut Oil that I got from GNC..... I will sometimes put some on a cotton ball and wipe Riley's tummy with it.... but his vet told me that it is better to treat his dry skin from the inside out.... He told me to use the pills. :)

https://store.nutiva.com/coconut-oil...FcXc4AodTynaXg

Sheldonsmom 04-08-2012 02:49 PM
Hmmm, my coconut oil came from the indian store. I have to put it in the microwave because it gets hard when is cold.

@RileyDC, I think that leaving some conditioner cause the trouble. I think I am going to get some of those oil pills. Some one also said the use flax seeds.

sportschick 04-08-2012 06:00 PM
O.K. so is it me or are "allergies" the new thing today for dogs. Since when did dogs and even people have so many allergies? How did we and our canine friends survive years ago without this allergy diagnosis?

BJBEVSBABY3 04-09-2012 08:07 AM
Flaky dry skin??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonsmom (Post 3871125)
I gave Sheldon a bath yesterday, using the same shampoo and conditioner I have been using for 1 1/2 months and I noticed today, all the sudden his skin is so dry and flaky. I wonder if I didn't rinse the shampoo well enough.
I had the same problem. I bathed BJ Saturday and when I brushed her before her bath i saw all these white flaky pieces. Vet told me the first time he saw that she had fleas. Scared me to death but he treated her and I still have more. I am in Ohio and we have had to turn heat on and off. Also, I did not use a conditioner. I need to change shampoos anyway and there are so many. I read on lady even used Wen. So many decisions.


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