Need tips for a "food trial" for a sensative tummy

[AlicetheYorkie]

Originally Posted by Susan78

I am glad you posted this because Kinder was on chicken and rice and started throwing up Wednesday. Poops not normal big and like a hotdog. My vet found no more campylobacter and is keeping her for a week. He said it may be she is allergic to anything that has chicken. X'rays are normal too. He has her on her Fromms Whitefish and Potatoe and we will see what happens here. I hope Alice gets better and keep me posted about her. My vet is stumped on this for a 1 year old puppy. Sometimes he said he gets a dog in with intestinal and stomach upset and can not find out what it is. He said it could be a virus but in time they clear up. He is watching are baby and we visit her. She is full of energy and still chubby but we need to get to the bottom of this. Hope all works out for you. Susan

Oh no poor Kinder I'm still stumped for now, although she does do really great on chicken and rice, so I don't think it's chicken in general. I think for Alice it's more something either in most holistic kibble, or in the processing/preserving even though it's "natural". Or could be it's just too "rich" as far as protien and fat content? Luckily with her though - no vomiting at all, never has been other than the ocassional bile in the AM back when I had a hard time getting her to eat really anything when I first got her. Now, I'm thinking the Verus and Orijen that I WAS managing to get in her was maybe bothering her tummy even though poops were fine because she did have gas (on the Orijen anyway) and didn't want to eat it. Now with the chicken and rice and canned lamb that she does do really well on - she's a chow hound lol. I feel terrible if her tummy was upset that whole time and I just thought she was mearly being picky.
What test did the vet do on Kinder to diagnose the campylobacter? Was it just a fecal smear (different than a parasite check), was it sent to a lab? What other test did they run and were they all normal? I don't think she's actually sick since no vomit and everything else normal and she's fine as long as she's not eating kibble. WHY she doesn't seem able to tolerate kibble I hope I can find out, just to make sure there's nothing underlieing. Idk, it really really just seems like a sensativity to something though since she bounces right back so easily.
I'll keep your Kinder in my thoughts and pray that she recovers quickly and they find out what's going on. How's she been doing on the Fromms since she's been there and back on it? Any improvement?

[Susan78]

Originally Posted by AlicetheYorkie

Oh no poor Kinder I'm still stumped for now, although she does do really great on chicken and rice, so I don't think it's chicken in general. I think for Alice it's more something either in most holistic kibble, or in the processing/preserving even though it's "natural". Or could be it's just too "rich" as far as protien and fat content? Luckily with her though - no vomiting at all, never has been other than the ocassional bile in the AM back when I had a hard time getting her to eat really anything when I first got her. Now, I'm thinking the Verus and Orijen that I WAS managing to get in her was maybe bothering her tummy even though poops were fine because she did have gas (on the Orijen anyway) and didn't want to eat it. Now with the chicken and rice and canned lamb that she does do really well on - she's a chow hound lol. I feel terrible if her tummy was upset that whole time and I just thought she was mearly being picky.
What test did the vet do on Kinder to diagnose the campylobacter? Was it just a fecal smear (different than a parasite check), was it sent to a lab? What other test did they run and were they all normal? I don't think she's actually sick since no vomit and everything else normal and she's fine as long as she's not eating kibble. WHY she doesn't seem able to tolerate kibble I hope I can find out, just to make sure there's nothing underlieing. Idk, it really really just seems like a sensativity to something though since she bounces right back so easily.
I'll keep your Kinder in my thoughts and pray that she recovers quickly and they find out what's going on. How's she been doing on the Fromms since she's been there and back on it? Any improvement?

I hope Alice is feeling better today and I surely will keep her in my prayers and thoughts. Yesterday we were able to take Kinder home because she seemed to be eating better and drinking water. My vet did not send her vomit or poop out he checked it in his office probably under the microscope. This diarrea all started four days after the groomer and our groomer gives them raw hotdogs for a treat. I wonder if the hotdogs gave her camplobacter but my vet still says the bullysticks from U.S and S. America. Well I stopped the Fromms Chicken and just put her on the Fromms Whitefish Potatoe. The vet said to give her boiled chicken breast with rice and she did good for three days then the vomiting she couldn't hold her food down. I was just introducing her dry whitefish so our vet kept her Wed.Thurs. and Friday. So far no campylobacter and he said just give her water and Fromms Whitefish he said she did very well. She can't have any treats and no canned food. Now when I think of it I was giving her the Innova Lowfat canned just a teaspoon with her dry; well that has chicken and turkey so no more that.So basically it is down to water and Fromms whitefish nothing else and we will see how this works. I was thinking like you maybe the dry is too rich but keep me posted on Alice and I will keep her in my prayers, she is a little doll. Too bad they can not talk.I wished you lived by me and I would give you some Fromms white fish to try. The dealers that sell it give samples. My vet just thinks chicken and other poutry is making her sick. He also said one food and that will help us greatly. Take care of and give Alice a hug from Kinder. Susan

[AlicetheYorkie]

Originally Posted by Susan78

I hope Alice is feeling better today and I surely will keep her in my prayers and thoughts. Yesterday we were able to take Kinder home because she seemed to be eating better and drinking water. My vet did not send her vomit or poop out he checked it in his office probably under the microscope. This diarrea all started four days after the groomer and our groomer gives them raw hotdogs for a treat. I wonder if the hotdogs gave her camplobacter but my vet still says the bullysticks from U.S and S. America. Well I stopped the Fromms Chicken and just put her on the Fromms Whitefish Potatoe. The vet said to give her boiled chicken breast with rice and she did good for three days then the vomiting she couldn't hold her food down. I was just introducing her dry whitefish so our vet kept her Wed.Thurs. and Friday. So far no campylobacter and he said just give her water and Fromms Whitefish he said she did very well. She can't have any treats and no canned food. Now when I think of it I was giving her the Innova Lowfat canned just a teaspoon with her dry; well that has chicken and turkey so no more that.So basically it is down to water and Fromms whitefish nothing else and we will see how this works. I was thinking like you maybe the dry is too rich but keep me posted on Alice and I will keep her in my prayers, she is a little doll. Too bad they can not talk.I wished you lived by me and I would give you some Fromms white fish to try. The dealers that sell it give samples. My vet just thinks chicken and other poutry is making her sick. He also said one food and that will help us greatly. Take care of and give Alice a hug from Kinder. Susan

Aww, thanks I'm glad Kinder is back home with you doing well. Alice has actually been great the past two days on the canned NV lamb and still just a bit of the rice with a tad of pumpkin and tiny bit of boiled chicken. As of last night and this morning the majority of her meals were the canned and she's fine, I'm just trying to go slowly so I keep adding a bit of the rice mixture - fingers crossed though she's fine now. i'm going to wait it out a bit so I don't stress her system anymore by trying anything new and just stick with the canned lamb, but she needs alot of it and it's like $2.50 a can. Of course, I'll do what I have to though I'm just happy right now that's she's fine and I know she's getting all the nutrients she needs. I may try a limited ingredient lamb based kibble or something like the Fromms Whitefish you're using down the road a bit, but for now she's doing perfect and loving her meals too. Thanks for the well wishes and the info, ya it is too bad we don't live close, Alice and Kinder could be buddies. I hope they both continue to do well with no more issues. ttys

[Susan78]

Originally Posted by AlicetheYorkie

Aww, thanks I'm glad Kinder is back home with you doing well. Alice has actually been great the past two days on the canned NV lamb and still just a bit of the rice with a tad of pumpkin and tiny bit of boiled chicken. As of last night and this morning the majority of her meals were the canned and she's fine, I'm just trying to go slowly so I keep adding a bit of the rice mixture - fingers crossed though she's fine now. i'm going to wait it out a bit so I don't stress her system anymore by trying anything new and just stick with the canned lamb, but she needs alot of it and it's like $2.50 a can. Of course, I'll do what I have to though I'm just happy right now that's she's fine and I know she's getting all the nutrients she needs. I may try a limited ingredient lamb based kibble or something like the Fromms Whitefish you're using down the road a bit, but for now she's doing perfect and loving her meals too. Thanks for the well wishes and the info, ya it is too bad we don't live close, Alice and Kinder could be buddies. I hope they both continue to do well with no more issues. ttys

Well so far Kinder is doing good. Her poops are formed,dry alittle and soft but she is eating her Whitefish Fromms and drinking her water. My vet said he isn't too worried so we took her with us in our fifth wheel. We will wait awhile before she gets anything else. I felt bad because I gave my parrot some shredded cheese and poor baby she knew she was left out. I hope this phase clears up for her and she can have a treat. Well keep me posted on Alice hope all goes well.Susan

[kayi078]

when i first fed my dog NV Prairie he poop 8x daily,then i went to Petco and bought some probitoics to aid the digestive problem and after a week he went back to normal (1-2x) again.

this is wt i am using
In Clover Fresh Digest Daily Intestinal Aid for Dogs at PETCO

[Susan78]

Originally Posted by kayi078

when i first fed my dog NV Prairie he poop 8x daily,then i went to Petco and bought some probitoics to aid the digestive problem and after a week he went back to normal (1-2x) again.

this is wt i am using
In Clover Fresh Digest Daily Intestinal Aid for Dogs at PETCO

Thanks this sounds like a good product. I was giving Kinder Forti- Flora but my vet said just keep her on the Fromms Whitefish and Potatoe. She used to poop three times a day and they were hard tootsie roll poops. After we cleared her campylobacter infection now she has two big formed kind of sticky poops a day.I wished her poops would go back to the real firm ones. She is playful not sick and eats good so my vet said to leave as is to see if see was allergic to chicken. She had vomiting and diarrea eating anything with chicken.I am hoping her poops firm up so maybe if I tried this it could help.

[kjcmsw]

I'd say she has you very well trained. Find a food (as healthy as possible, one that doesn't upset her stomach and she'll initially eat) then that's it. Put the food down she'll eat when she gets hungry. It's amazing their desire for survival will kick in after a day or two.
Repeat: always told my kids: you have two choices for dinner: take it or leave it...applies well to dogs too.

[intilis]

While I did agree with the post below, that was before I had a baby with a sensitive tummy. I used to just choose a good quality kibble & take a "take it or leave it" attitude. All my babys did fine! Now my little rescue Tink is having such a hard time with her tummy. Vet has ruled out parasites, bacteria & structrual issues.She says its food related. I'm searching for a good kibble that doesn't give her gas or soft mushy poop. Suggestions are welcome!

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

I'd say she has you very well trained. Find a food (as healthy as possible, one that doesn't upset her stomach and she'll initially eat) then that's it. Put the food down she'll eat when she gets hungry. It's amazing their desire for survival will kick in after a day or two.
Repeat: always told my kids: you have two choices for dinner: take it or leave it...applies well to dogs too.

[AlicetheYorkie]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

I'd say she has you very well trained. Find a food (as healthy as possible, one that doesn't upset her stomach and she'll initially eat) then that's it. Put the food down she'll eat when she gets hungry. It's amazing their desire for survival will kick in after a day or two.
Repeat: always told my kids: you have two choices for dinner: take it or leave it...applies well to dogs too.

Oh I agree, at first she literaly wouldn't touch the food after a few days even if she did skip a meal and at one point she wouldn't even eat boiled chicken so I actually think pretty much every kibble I've tried so far gave her a tummy ache. Orijen was the one she ate for the longest and she did have alot of gas on it, so I think it bothered her and I didn't realize it and that's why she eventually refused it. No pickyness at all now though since I found the canned food that her tummy is fine with (she would refuse the other canned food I tried after a few days too)- she gobbles up every meal. So, although I do agree with you, sometimes you do have to trust what the dog is trying to tell you. Once I do find a kibble that she can eat without a tummy issue, I'll be sticking with it and I doubt that if it doesn't bother her she would be picky about it, I honestly think that was the problem all along.

It's great too if you only have 1 dog and can just leave food down for a picky eater and they'll eat when hungry, but I have 2 other dogs here who would gobble it up as soon as I walked away lol.

[AlicetheYorkie]

Originally Posted by kayi078

when i first fed my dog NV Prairie he poop 8x daily,then i went to Petco and bought some probitoics to aid the digestive problem and after a week he went back to normal (1-2x) again.

this is wt i am using
In Clover Fresh Digest Daily Intestinal Aid for Dogs at PETCO

Thanks! I'll give that a try, I clicked the link and it got great reviews plus it said it has a good taste so that's important lol. I've been planning on giving a digestive suppliment a try but there's sooo many out there I didn't know where to start and I'm glad I can pick it up at Petco instead of ordering online.

Glad to know my dog wasn't the only one pooping out more of the Prairie than it seemed like she was even eating LOL.

[shawna50]

Look up Canisource. It is new and made in Canada of human grade ingredients. It is supposed to be as close to raw as you can get. I searched for reviews on it and comes recommended even for the pickest eaters. I am going to try it this weekend.

[LIL MIS' MAGIC]

Our Magic has a very sensative tummy and we spent over a year with stomach issues, trying different foods (very slow switches - over a 10-15 day period) and she would do ok for awhile and then the tummy issues would return. The vet finally put her on a Purina colitis food and that finally stablized her.....but was not something I wanted to use long term - but did for about 4-5 months.
Then we spoke with someone that had been through something silimar and she recommended Natural Balance Sweet Potatoe & Fish......we hesitantly tried and and over 3 years later she is doing great!! May not be everyone's first choice of foods.....but it has worked great for her and she is not at the vet every week or two anymore and is healthy!

Good luck finding something that works!

[AlicetheYorkie]

Thanks for the tips . Ya, NB was one of the foods I was considering, I ordered some samples of Wellness CORE oceans, but just hanging on to those for now. I just started adding a bit of a kibble recommended by the owner of the holistic per store I use - it's called Annamaet and I'm using their grain-free fish formula. She recommended it because it's not as "rich" (the protien and fat is lower than most other grain-free foods for this exact reason, similar to the Wellness or NB) plus there are extra probiotics in it to aid digestion. So far so good and she really likes it next to the NV canned food she does well on (although she hasn't acted picky at all for a while now, still not holding my breath though lol).

[Susan78]

Originally Posted by AlicetheYorkie

Thanks for the tips . Ya, NB was one of the foods I was considering, I ordered some samples of Wellness CORE oceans, but just hanging on to those for now. I just started adding a bit of a kibble recommended by the owner of the holistic per store I use - it's called Annamaet and I'm using their grain-free fish formula. She recommended it because it's not as "rich" (the protien and fat is lower than most other grain-free foods for this exact reason, similar to the Wellness or NB) plus there are extra probiotics in it to aid digestion. So far so good and she really likes it next to the NV canned food she does well on (although she hasn't acted picky at all for a while now, still not holding my breath though lol).

Well I thought I would give you an update with Kinder's tummy problems. Our vet figured she was allergic to any food with chicken in it. We put her on the Fromms Whitefish and Potatoe and her water and she has been doing wonderful. I did write to Natural Balance and told them my problem and they are sending me some poultry free samples. Kinder can not have any treats so I thought I would get her a food for treats. I hope Alice is doing much better. When Kinder was on one food only we could tell if it made her sick. It took a week and a half on the fish to have tootsie roll poops. I am keeping my fingers crossed and doing what the vet said.I did not know her canned Lowfat Innova had chicken and turkey in it. It took awhile for her to eat her dry but every morning we let her in bed to eat her dry fishfood. Talk about spoiling her but it works. Hope all goes well for Alice.

[AlicetheYorkie]

Originally Posted by Susan78

Well I thought I would give you an update with Kinder's tummy problems. Our vet figured she was allergic to any food with chicken in it. We put her on the Fromms Whitefish and Potatoe and her water and she has been doing wonderful. I did write to Natural Balance and told them my problem and they are sending me some poultry free samples. Kinder can not have any treats so I thought I would get her a food for treats. I hope Alice is doing much better. When Kinder was on one food only we could tell if it made her sick. It took a week and a half on the fish to have tootsie roll poops. I am keeping my fingers crossed and doing what the vet said.I did not know her canned Lowfat Innova had chicken and turkey in it. It took awhile for her to eat her dry but every morning we let her in bed to eat her dry fishfood. Talk about spoiling her but it works. Hope all goes well for Alice.

Glad Kinder is still doing well and you figured out the problem . Alice is doing great now, she's on the Nature's Variety canned Instinct lamb and Annamaet grain-free fish based kibble. She also gets NV raw lamb medallions for breakfast every other day and so far nothing but those perfect little "tootsie role" poops She's also fine having Nature's Logic lamb treats and she LOVES them and since I also know she likes and is fine with boiled chicken breast, I can add that once in a while too so I think I found a good amount of things she likes and does really well on, so yay! Still not sure what exactly it is that bothers her, but I'm basically just avoiding any chicken (other than real breast) and beef or anything high in fat and I think we're good