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WickedWitch 02-02-2011 03:48 PM

NEED support/advice for my teacup yorkie puppy
 
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Hi,
My puppy's name is London and she is currently 10 weeks old weighing in at a whopping 11 oz.! I'm extremely nervous as for I know how fragile these tiny babies are and I'd love to find someone that has experience in the "teacup" size! (Please note: I know that the term "teacup", according to AKC really doesn't exist and that there are mixed feelings on the extremely small sizes) -BUT, I'd really love some positive support and advice from experienced owners=) Any help and positivity is absolutely appreciated!

:D:D:D

There is a picture of baby London, attached!

Teresamag 02-02-2011 04:09 PM

Oh, my goodness. That baby is so little and young. London is beautiful but I'm a little worried about her. It's generally not recommended that any Yorkie puppy go to it's new home before 12 weeks old and absolutely not that small. "Teacup" issue aside, how are you going to keep this little one from getting hypoglycemic? :confused: Are you able to stay home all day to supervise her and make sure she eats many small meals a day? If not, you may want to get someone to come stay at your home for many weeks. It's pretty important that she stays warm and doesn't get chilled (too cold increases the metabolic demand of the body increasing calorie consumption which leads to low blood sugar), doesn't get injured accidently by people or animals, and doesn't skip any meals. I would also recommend Nutrical multiple times a day for nutrition and to stimulate her appetite. What kind of puppy food is she eating? She needs to be on a good quality puppy food that she is able to eat easily. At 11 oz I'm worried that she can't crunch kibble enough to eat without tiring herself out. You might look into Royal Canin mini puppy 33 - it has tiny little kibble that is able to be crunched by tiny puppies.
Again, London is very cute and I'm sure you want to do what's best for her but you are going to have to be very careful with her at this age and weight. Please contact me with any questions. Please let me know who her breeder is? Good luck with your new baby.
Teresa

Nancy1999 02-02-2011 04:10 PM

Oh I'm so glad you added that you know that this is not the "official" term, I guess some people here get upset when the term is used, but I only suggest people stay away from breeders who advertise "Teacups." London is so small for 10 weeks, and I really hate to see a puppy leave a breeder before 12 weeks especially a tiny. Most good breeders say 12 weeks and two pounds is the minimum. You have to watch out for hypoglycemia, and please teach to use stairs, not jumping off of beds or couches! Here's a link on toy breed hypoglycemia become familiar with the symptoms. Toy Breed Hypoglycemia London is adorable!

Gatord 02-02-2011 04:13 PM

OMG that baby is so cute and LITTLE. Please take teresamag advice!

Nancy1999 02-02-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Teresamag (Post 3414940)
Oh, my goodness. That baby is so little and young. London is beautiful but I'm a little worried about her. It's generally not recommended that any Yorkie puppy go to it's new home before 12 weeks old and absolutely not that small. "Teacup" issue aside, how are you going to keep this little one from getting hypoglycemic? :confused: Are you able to stay home all day to supervise her and make sure she eats many small meals a day? If not, you may want to get someone to come stay at your home for many weeks. It's pretty important that she stays warm and doesn't get chilled (too cold increases the metabolic demand of the body increasing calorie consumption which leads to low blood sugar), doesn't get injured accidently by people or animals, and doesn't skip any meals. I would also recommend Nutrical multiple times a day for nutrition and to stimulate her appetite. What kind of puppy food is she eating? She needs to be on a good quality puppy food that she is able to eat easily. At 11 oz I'm worried that she can't crunch kibble enough to eat without tiring herself out. You might look into Royal Canin mini puppy 33 - it has tiny little kibble that is able to be crunched by tiny puppies.
Again, London is very cute and I'm sure you want to do what's best for her but you are going to have to be very careful with her at this age and weight. Please contact me with any questions. Please let me know who her breeder is? Good luck with your new baby.
Teresa

I agree with much you say, but you have to be careful with the Nutri-cal, it really shouldn't be used as a preventative, and too much can cause hypoglycemia. It is great to have on hand and to treat hypoglycemia, but not to prevent it. It's best to free fee, so that they aren't as likely to get low blood sugar.

boopster 02-02-2011 04:20 PM

I would add make sure you get the puppy to the vet ASAP for a wellness check. I personally would put off any of the customary vaccinations until the puppy is a bit more robust, and definitely keep it indoors and away from all other animals to avoid exposure to any contagious diseases. Certain viruses and bacteria can live for quite some time on sidewalks, grass, etc., so you don't even need another animal nearby for your pup to pick up something dangerous.

Don't mean to scare you, but I want to impress on you how critical this time in your puppy's life is.

I hope you will have a good many happy years with your little London!

Mardelin 02-02-2011 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3414950)
I agree with much you say, but you have to be careful with the Nutri-cal, it really shouldn't be used as a preventative, and too much can cause hypoglycemia. It is great to have on hand and to treat hypoglycemia, but not to prevent it. It's best to free fee, so that they aren't as likely to get low blood sugar.

You're right Nancy. Nutri-Cal can bring on a hyperglycemic attack. In addition if used consistently it can also cause loose stools and can also contribute to diabitis. So, one must be careful.

Rhetts_mama 02-02-2011 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3414960)
You're right Nancy. Nutri-Cal can bring on a hyperglycemic attack. In addition if used consistently it can also cause loose stools and can also contribute to diabitis. So, one must be careful.

It can also cause rebound hypoglycemia because the body puts out a rush of insulin to deal with the sudden upswing in blood glucose, so the glucose levels fall again. If it's given, it should be followed by an easily digestible source of protein like boiled chicken.

It breaks my heart that a breeder would let such a small girl go at 10 weeks.

Teresamag 02-02-2011 04:35 PM

Sorry, I didn't mean to mislead anyone about Nutrical. I don't mean to give lots of Nutrical (that might cause other problems like diarrhea and rebound hypoglycemia). I mean to give about a dime sized amount 3-4 times a day. Nutrical not only treats hypoglycemia it can add calories to their diet to help prevent hypoglycemia.

Teresa

Sammy Mommy 02-02-2011 04:46 PM

London is adorable!! Congratulations!

cathys 02-02-2011 04:58 PM

I have a little experience with little ones and will tell you what I did. First get a cat collar with a bell, they are the smallest I could find. Then make sure the little one eats ever couple of hours at least a few bites. If the baby is on dry food wet it with a little warm water, this will entice her to eat. Also keep a heating pad under a blanket to keep her warm. I used a very small enclosed kennel/carrier with a heating pad at night, so that she could be right next to me, but be warm at the same time. She should not be running round for more that 15 to 20 minutes at a time, as this will ware her out and could cause problems. Make sure she has a playpen with a warm bed and toys on one end and a puppy pad on the other. She should not be taken outside until she is fully vaccinated. Make sure that she is not carried around too much as these little ones can wiggle around and easily be dropped. Do not allow the baby up on furniture as a fall could be fatal. You must watch these little ones very close, it doesn't take long for their sugar level to drop and serious conditions to come on. Make sure she is checked out by a vet ASAP. When going to the vet have someone stay in the car with the baby until the vet is ready for you, you never know what the animals in the waiting room are there for, and these little ones will go down fast if they get sick.
I'm sorry if I'm scarring you, but I just want to help you keep your little one as health as possible. If I can help you with any other questions, let me know. She is beautiful, good luck.
Cathy

Mardelin 02-02-2011 05:15 PM

The best way to insure that your pup has the best possible care and prevent no hyperglycemic attacks is; have food and water available at all times....but, making sure before the pup has a good meal before it is put to bed. Again, water at all times, even in the crate at night. Also, make sure that the pup is not over handled, put in a stressful situation, or over played.

Nutri-Cal is to be kept on hand should your pup's sugar level's drop due, stress, not enough nutrituion, exhaustion. However, NutriDrops is much better as it absorbs into the blood stream very quickly....all one needs to do is rub a few drops on the pups gums...

RONLYNN 02-02-2011 05:20 PM

congrats she is so cute!! My Teddi was about that size when I got her. She is now 4 1/2 years old and 3 lbs. We went through a phase where she wouldn't eat and I tried everything and it ended up she was constipated. We fixed that problem and then she still didn't want to eat....it ended up she wanted to eat the food my bigger dog was eating (which was such big kibbles I thought there is no way she can eat it but she did). I was just glad she started eating. The cat bell is a really good idea! Teddi is never without her bell so I know where she is - she actually misses it when I take it off to give her a bath. After I bathe her and let her run around a little I will pick up her collar and shake it and she comes running like she wants it on so bad. Congrats again and I can't wait to see pictures of her growing up!!

lil fu fu girl 02-02-2011 06:11 PM

Hi and Welcome to YT.
Mine is not too little, she is about 4.5 pounds and almost 9 years old. All I can say is..be very slow when walking and don't make any quick movements because they will always be at your feet. Make sure that the house is child proof in the sense that everything that might have a chance of falling off on top of her is moved. During the winter I always keep a heating pad on low for my little ones. This helps to retain calories for organ energy instead of expending it in maintaining their temp. Also, when they are this little do not worry about portion size. Make sure that there is always food (and water) around for her to get at, whether it is kibble or canned. Their metabolism is very fast and they burn off calories at a very high rate. Hypoglycemia is a fact of life when they are that small. So as the others posted, keeping some Nutrical around is important. Good luck and congratulations!:D

WickedWitch 02-02-2011 06:27 PM

Hi everyone!

All of you have had such wonderful suggestions and helpful tips that will certainly help along the way=) The breeder is a very good one and very responsible ( in my opinion) and has had many puppies that are that size go to their new homes. In fact, little London had three brothers that were around her size that are doing fine in with their new families.

For those that asked, she's eating Eukanuba small bites which she loves and can eat very easily (very tiny, crunch bites). I leave food and fresh water out 24/7 for her easy access. I'm also a nanny in which my family allows me to have her with me at all times. I'm extremely strict with people holding/touching her because I'm very protective of her safety. In fact I've given everyone notice (via Facebook lol) that she isn't to be handled at all! At least, until she is 6 months and a bit bigger. She has a play pen in which I have a potty-pad at one end and heating pad at the other with toys (and of course the food and water present).

I'm also extremely aware of her feelings (trying to decipher each facial expression if that makes sense) while noticing when she needs to rest, etc. I have read about the play times, not allowing her to play more than 20 minutes at a time and the she gets food and rest directly after.

I just wanted to give everyone a run-down of her routine and I'm so very thankful to be in contact with all of you who seem to genuinely care about her safety! Thank you all so very much, looking forward to more suggestions!

FREDI 02-02-2011 06:58 PM

Hi i am fredi and my little girl born 9/3/2010 is a horiffic eater.she weighs 4.45 but the strggle to get her there was unbelievable..and after going thru kibbles raw frozen food organic frozen food..different kindsof canneddog foods rec: By our vets..which they sold..littleangle will eat if coaxed tiny piecesof steak or hamberg.she had a uri and developed many crystals in her urine so vet said no meat whatsoever.my baby is looking ragged even though i give her baths and do ears teeth brush and i just dont knowwhat todo.out of desperation my husband gave her a fewcheetos tonight...we need desperate direction..she really dislikes kibbles and i even tried yogurt with kibbles..help!!!!

WickedWitch 02-02-2011 08:31 PM

Hi everyone!

I must say that I appreciate each and everyone's response=) I will tell you a little about our daily care regimen:

She is fed Eukanuba small bites for small breed puppies which have proved to be very yummy to her and she has no problem eating it at all (fresh small bites and water are left in her pack n' play 24/7). In her pen, I also have small toys, a potty pad, and a heating pad which is left on at all times. I've been making sure she eats every 3 hours, and if she doesn't...she is syringe fed with gerber chicken and rice baby food mixed with a little bit of karo syrup.

I was also worried about her getting hurt or stepped on by myself or my husband so she is restricted to the kitchen area with a baby gate and is kept in to play (only for 30 minutes at a time, I know that can over-exhaust themselves easily). I'm also a Nanny and only work twice a week so that means I'm home quite often with her. However, I am also lucky enough to have the family I care for to allow me to bring her with me=)

This is just a small run-down of the preparations and care I've been providing for her since I got her this past Saturday. I'm excited and very nervous making sure that I do everything just right! I appreciate all of the support and helpful tips!! Keep them coming=)

FlDebra 02-02-2011 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3414943)
Oh I'm so glad you added that you know that this is not the "official" term, I guess some people here get upset when the term is used, but I only suggest people stay away from breeders who advertise "Teacups." London is so small for 10 weeks, and I really hate to see a puppy leave a breeder before 12 weeks especially a tiny. Most good breeders say 12 weeks and two pounds is the minimum. You have to watch out for hypoglycemia, and please teach to use stairs, not jumping off of beds or couches! Here's a link on toy breed hypoglycemia become familiar with the symptoms. Toy Breed Hypoglycemia London is adorable!

Most everything I would say has already been said by Nancy and very well too! So I thought I would just start by quoting her post! :D There are a handful of folks on Yorkietalk that I REALLY want to meet in person so I can thank them for all of their information and support -- and Nancy is one of those!

London is a cutie alright. I love her look but pls be very careful. Hard for me to imagine a breeder letting her go this early, that low a weight and to someone inexperienced with yorkies to boot. Luckily, you are doing the right thing, searching for info to help your baby through the treacherous early weeks. Make sure you have some Nutrical on hand in case she does exhibit hypoglycemic symptoms. She really is only 11 ounces? My Annie was 1.3 pounds when I got her at 11 weeks and that was pretty small. One reason I got her was the breeder knew I had experience with a couple of litters myself, because she would not have sold her to just anyone being that small. London is on track to be pretty small as an adult (less than 2 pounds according to the Yorkie Growth Chart Guess-imator) but sometimes they get a slow start for one reason or another and can still wind up average size as an adult. Was she from a large litter? That could be one reason for a low birth weight.

You are a neighbor of mine. I live across the bridge in Santa Rosa County. :) There are actually several of us from NW Florida and Southern Alabama. If life ever settles down a little more, I want to organize a playdate for us all to meet and have our pups enjoy each other. I was thinking March or April would be great as the weather should be warm enough to meet at a park and maybe even picnic. London should be old enough to have her vaccines completed by then too so maybe you all would like to join in the fun!

We have a pretty good 24/7 Emergency Vet on Davis Highway. Different vets in the area rotate on duty there. I would make sure to have their number and address on the fridge. I have never used them yet, but have the number handy for "just in case." I use the Ark Animal Hospital in Pace. They are great but might be too far for you.

What are you feeding your pup? Make sure it is a high quality, premium puppy food. Nutrition will be even more important for such a little one. She will not eat much, so you need to make sure it is the best it can be.

Can you tell who the breeder was that sold your sweet baby to you? If you don't want to put the name out on the forum for some reason, you can always send by personal message. Just click on my member name for the option to send a message. But there is nothing wrong with posting a breeder's name, just to say that is where you got your pup. I hope she is giving you support and helpful in information about a new Yorkie pup. Also hope she gave a good health guarantee. That is one of the sore spots with me. I see too many breeders not giving an appropriate health guarantee, leaving new owners holding the bag for vet fees that they should have contributed to.

I know you have to be so proud to be the new owner/momma to such a beautiful pup! I wish you the both the best as you bond and become a family. I would be glad to help in any way if questions come up. You can PM me anytime and I'll send a msg with my phone number. Welcome to Yorkietalk and hope you enjoy it here as much as I do!

I just realized how hilarious this is -- first I say Nancy said almost everything I would say, then I write a book. I need help! Seriously, I do not talk this much in person.

WickedWitch 02-03-2011 01:31 PM

UPDATE on London
 
Thank you everyone for your support. I'm in a lot of pain and shock as of right now, my little London died around 2am this morning. It just doesn't make any sense, I did everything I was suppose to do. I'm sick to my stomach -it just goes to show you that I have been fooled by thinking getting a "teacup" sized yorkie and getting her that small wasn't a good idea. However the breeder assured me she was ready to go at 10 weeks/ 11 oz. She even rushed me to come get her so that she wouldn't get depressed and have a sugar low.

I thought she was a wonderful breeder, and yet some of you pointed out to me how she shouldn't have let her go to her new home that tiny and that young. I thought to myself, "that couldn't be, I trust this breeder". I no longer recommend or give credit as it is clear to me what she is: a puppy-mill that has lost sight of what is important...caring for these babies until they are healthy enough to go to their new homes and has become money-hungry. Please never, ever buy a puppy from AlabamaToysandTeacups.com

You will regret it, she is letting these babies go too early!!!

Most of you don't know that London was my replacement puppy for another puppy I had gotten from Alabamatoysandteacups in November that died. No autopsy was performed. I had done everything right with that puppy as well, but as you can see it wouldn't matter what I did, I couldn't have helped these two little babies from dying of low glucose because they are too small and too young!

-Signed,
a heartbroken mommy:(:(:(

Nancy1999 02-03-2011 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickedWitch (Post 3415836)
Thank you everyone for your support. I'm in a lot of pain and shock as of right now, my little London died around 2am this morning. It just doesn't make any sense, I did everything I was suppose to do. I'm sick to my stomach -it just goes to show you that I have been fooled by thinking getting a "teacup" sized yorkie and getting her that small wasn't a good idea. However the breeder assured me she was ready to go at 10 weeks/ 11 oz. She even rushed me to come get her so that she wouldn't get depressed and have a sugar low.

I thought she was a wonderful breeder, and yet some of you pointed out to me how she shouldn't have let her go to her new home that tiny and that young. I thought to myself, "that couldn't be, I trust this breeder". I no longer recommend or give credit as it is clear to me what she is: a puppy-mill that has lost sight of what is important...caring for these babies until they are healthy enough to go to their new homes and has become money-hungry. Please never, ever buy a puppy from AlabamaToysandTeacups.com

You will regret it, she is letting these babies go too early!!!

Most of you don't know that London was my replacement puppy for another puppy I had gotten from Alabamatoysandteacups in November that died. No autopsy was performed. I had done everything right with that puppy as well, but as you can see it wouldn't matter what I did, I couldn't have helped these two little babies from dying of low glucose because they are too small and too young!

-Signed,
a heartbroken mommy:(:(:(

I'm so sorry this happened to you, we read about this sort of thing all the time, it's always so heartbreaking. These little ones can go downhill so fast; even an experienced breeder has to be vigilant, and is constantly looking for signs of distress. These breeders know what to say to instill confidence, but must be awfully cold blooded to allow such a tiny one go. I'm so sorry you have to go through this.

Schooby 02-03-2011 02:57 PM

I'm so sorry :(

miabellaamoure 02-03-2011 02:59 PM

Something to bear in mind...just because a dog's age is listed as 10 weeks (on a website) does not mean it is the truth!

Unscrupulous Greeder/Breeders will do anything to disguise an underage & teenie puppy as a "T-Cup"...even lying about the age of the puppy.

I am sorry to see that the OP had to lose yet another puppy...:(

cathys 02-03-2011 03:07 PM

I'm so sorry for your loss. I don't know what to say. I'm heart broken for you and this poor little baby.

babbsiam44 02-03-2011 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickedWitch (Post 3415836)
Thank you everyone for your support. I'm in a lot of pain and shock as of right now, my little London died around 2am this morning. It just doesn't make any sense, I did everything I was suppose to do. I'm sick to my stomach -it just goes to show you that I have been fooled by thinking getting a "teacup" sized yorkie and getting her that small wasn't a good idea. However the breeder assured me she was ready to go at 10 weeks/ 11 oz. She even rushed me to come get her so that she wouldn't get depressed and have a sugar low.

I thought she was a wonderful breeder, and yet some of you pointed out to me how she shouldn't have let her go to her new home that tiny and that young. I thought to myself, "that couldn't be, I trust this breeder". I no longer recommend or give credit as it is clear to me what she is: a puppy-mill that has lost sight of what is important...caring for these babies until they are healthy enough to go to their new homes and has become money-hungry. Please never, ever buy a puppy from AlabamaToysandTeacups.com

You will regret it, she is letting these babies go too early!!!

Most of you don't know that London was my replacement puppy for another puppy I had gotten from Alabamatoysandteacups in November that died. No autopsy was performed. I had done everything right with that puppy as well, but as you can see it wouldn't matter what I did, I couldn't have helped these two little babies from dying of low glucose because they are too small and too young!

-Signed,
a heartbroken mommy:(:(:(

OMG!!! I am so sorry this has happened. I know now might be the time to ask but is she going to refund you? I do not think you would want another from her. There are people up here, that I respect, that could guide you in your next decision. This is heartbreaking. Again, I am so sorry this happened.

FlDebra 02-03-2011 04:50 PM

I am so sorry this happened to such a precious little puppy. My heart is breaking knowing that two of these tiny babies met such a fate when it did not have to be. Another month with the mother, gettting more weight on her could have meant all the difference. This breeder needs to do some serious self-evaluation!! What are you doing to these puppies and the people who trust you to know what you are doing. :( Breeding dogs, especially yorkies is a serious responsibility not to be taken lightly!

Ringo1 02-03-2011 05:02 PM

This is so shocking and heartbreaking. I hope everyone who wants to bring home a tiny yorkie at less than 12 weeks of age has been reading some of the recent threads.

I'm sorry for your loss. This breeder needs to re-think her current practices and procedures.

WickedWitch 02-03-2011 05:34 PM

Thank you all for all of your concerns and condolences. I really appreciate them. I'm an emotional wreck and this being the second time it has happened, the second time I expected it to turn out just fine, and the second time I was built up and let down is truly something I wouldn't wish on anyone. She was a sweet, sweet little baby and I miss her dearly.

I have not informed the breeder about this, because I know she would blame me or insinuate in some way that I let this happen. I think if she could have kept her until 4-6 months it would have made all the difference in the world. The other reason I haven't informed her is because she will not issue a refund and I just couldn't bare to speak with her because I am that disgusted and sickened by the very thought of a person that would rush me to pick up my baby so early, knowing it wasn't safe for little London.

Thank you again for all of your support, it means alot.

Again, never ever buy a puppy from alabamatoysandteacups.com in Arab, AL.

P.S. I think the best method here is word of mouth about this breeder. If we can prevent her getting any business from future clients, that's one more step towards someone not getting their heartbroken from losing their baby.

MauiGirl 02-03-2011 06:39 PM

I am shocked and saddened by this loss, and sorry for the pain you feel. Please stay strong and educated others to help prevent this sort of loss to others.

Teresamag 02-03-2011 07:03 PM

I am so very sorry you lost your baby London. I know you had high hopes for her and it isn't fair that you tried so hard and still lost her. I hope you understand we weren't "preaching" to you but were worried about her. What does your written guarantee say? This breeder should make it right with you somehow. Is this the guarantee you got from your breeder? Alabama Toys & Teacups It is only a 48 hour guarantee. That is terrible. I notice you are in Florida and she is in Alabama. Did she ship the puppy to you?

Again, please accept my condolences, I know you loved London and tried your best. She just wasn't old enough or big enough to go to her new home yet.

Teresa

WickedWitch 02-03-2011 07:39 PM

Thank you again, Teresa and to all of you who have reached out to me...it makes me feel like I'm not alone and that people care. That makes the healing process much easier when you have such kind and caring souls that offer their support...so for that, I thank all of you!

Teresa, yes that was the guarantee that usually goes with her puppies. For the first puppy I had, we didn't sign a contract because she had locked herself out of her office so we were going to email/scan/sign later BUT *Pixie* did die within 48 hours. I called her right away and she said that she usually required in autopsy but "took my word for it". She agreed to replace her with another puppy. This was back in November 2010. Finally the time came to get my replacement puppy in which was the past weekend (Jan. 29) and she didn't offer a warranty or contract with her because she was a replacement. So even if I wanted to do something about it, I couldn't.

So I'm hoping with the out-reach to all of you that she will get a "word of mouth" wake-up call for what kind of breeding she's doing. This woman was on my facebook and I considered her a nice person. Since this morning, I have deleted her from Facebook and blocked all contact. I don't want to see her, look at her fb page, or even see her name anywhere on my computer or phone.

Help me spread the word guys, and maybe by the Grace of God she will feel guilty enough to stop doing what she's doing. I appreciate each and every one of you.


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