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QUOTE=Rhetts_mama;3417689]Because this thread is here to inform others of what to watch out for when buying a pup, I'm putting out the following. Ultimately, it comes down to the owner of the pet knowing what is right and what is wrong and insisting the right thing be done. If a breeder won't keep the dog until it's physically stable, then it's up to the prospective owner to walk away, even if that means losing some money. It's also up to the prospective owner to be aware of the laws that apply to the sale/transport of dogs in your area. If you are lucky enough to live in a state that has them, you need to know them backwards and forwards:Lemon Laws for Dogs A dog sold in Florida would fall under those laws. In this case, it absolutely is the right of the buyer to get a refund if they so choose. The buyer can sign away that right, but why would you purchase from a breeder who wanted you to? Again, knowledge is power. It's incumbent on all prospective pet owners to do their research first, and not be suckered in by a slick sales presentation and a cute little face.[/QUOTE] :thumbup: Suckered in by a slick sales rep. should be a no brainer, but a cute little face gets me all the time!!! LOL |
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Sorry to hear about your London- Yorkshire Terrier. I have purchased two puppies from Alabama Toys & Teacups. They are both very healthy and were very healthy when purchased. Alabama Toys and Teacups gave me a care package with each puppy. They also sent me a shopping list with items to purchase before I picked up my new babies. (Nutri-Cal, heating pad, play pen/crate, and food items) When picking up the puppies she spent an 30mins-hour going over the vet records/hypoglycemia forms/shopping list/sales contract and also showing me what to watch for just in case of sugar drops. I never had any problems with sugar drops with my puppies and I also got my babies at 10wks of age. They are now 2 yrs old and around 3lbs. I would not take anything for them and would go back and plan to go back for more precious babies in the future. Check out this site: Hypoglycemia often seen in tiny or underfed yorkie puppies and Yorkshire Terrier adults |
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This may sound harsh..but what happened with you does in no way excuse this breeders poor ethcis..a caring breeder under no circumstances places a puppy of this age and size to anyone...it is a big responsiblity breeding...so many tiny ones do not make it in the hands of an inexperinces pet owner...so unfair to blame a pet owner for a death that is clearly the breeders fault for allowing the pet to leave....it weighed ELEVEN OZ...no breeder on earth can justify selling a puppy of that size..no excuses accepted !!! |
I feel so sick right now I could throw up. That precious little baby. I am so sorry this horrible experience happened to you and little London. You aren't the first or will not be the last to be taken in by these type of breeders. Back several years ago I was taken in be a backyard breeder when I purchased a toy schnauzer. (NO SUCH THING) I still have her thank goodness but we came so close to losing her because this breeder did no testing etc. I was dumb as a stump about all of it, had never evern heard the term backyard breeder. I guess I was stupid enough to think if they would breed they loved them too. I have learned alot since then and I don't trust as easily as I use too. You have to do your homework thats for sure. These people are just as bad as the puppymills. They are only looking at the dollar signs and these sweet, precious babies have to suffer for it. Again, I am so sorry for your loss. We all have to live and learn. RIP sweet, tiny baby. |
I think this breeder has been in breeding for more than 5 yrs. I did a lot of research before purchasing my puppies and this is the only negative comments I have ever seen. I even called her vet reference. I do not think she was letting the puppies go to early mine did fine. I have 2 healthy yorkies and never had a problem. Did you purchase the puppies in Alabama? or Florida? Was the puppy shipped or picked up? Why not call the breeder and see what she has to say and let her know what happened to the puppy. I stay in touch with Alabama Toys and Teacups and send photos to them of my growing babies all the time. She always has helpful advice or tips. If she thought the puppy was not ready I do not think she would have sent it. Alabama Toys and Teacups has a one year warranty with all her puppies and 48 hr warranty to get puppies vet checked. I took mine straight to vet after picking them up and got a clean bill of health. Did you take your puppy to get vet checked? How are the other puppies? Did they pass away or ok with their new owners? Was there something else wrong with the puppy? Did you have autopsy? Sorry about your loss I do not know what I would do with out my little ones. |
YorkieRose - Thank you so much...to you and the others that have generously stuck by my side. I will say one last thing about the breeder. I realize that she has produced hundreds of healthy puppies which are now living their healthy lives with their families. My point is, she's letting these puppies go home too early. I think there is a far less chance of these little babies dying if they were cared for longer by someone that is absolutely experienced in every way with this. Afterall, it's the career path they've chosen. Yes, I should have insisted she stay longer. Yes, I do take some responsibility. I have to say that after this net "mauling" I've received on this forum from some of you, I would never continue to use it. Everytime I've read a reply on this thread that is a negative one, it's like my London is dying all over again. Don't worry, I won't be arguing my side of the story any longer so say what you wish. I would now just like to move on and heal from loosing my little one. Thank you to all for listening. |
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I hope you did take your little one straight to the vet as I suggested. I have to wonder if she has some sickness in her kennel too. Losing 2 pups in a row like that is unusual even when you consider her selling them a little young and muchtoo small. Florida does have a great Lemon LAw and it would cover your replacement as well, even without a contract.......but only if sold in Florida. If she sold it from her home in Alabama and you went there to get it, the FLorida Lemon Law won't apply. If she brought the dog to Florida to sell it to you, then Florida law does apply. But it sounded to me like you were explaining going to her home to get her. You could consult a lawyer to see if the phone calls telling you to come pick it up would constitute doing business in Florida....I am not sure, I kind of doubt it. Alabama has no Puppy Lemon Law and is very lenient on selling age. If you ever got the contract on the first puppy, it should cover the replacement too. If you didn't get the paper, you may still have a case, because of the word of mouth agreement. I think she should give your money back. Depending on how much she charged, you may want to seek law help. I would not let it go -- if you don't feel up to dealing with her emotionally, maybe someone else in your family could handle the actual phone contact? Then you coudl follow up with a letter. I am so sorry you have gone through this. It has to be horribly heartbreaking. I know you have learned some valuable lessons. Unfortunately one of those is not to trust every breeder, even when they seem to have happy customers. Another is to research a LOT before you buy and then stand firm on what you know to be right. I am not trying to make you feel bad, because if I was totally inexperienced with yorkies, I probably would have caved and accepted the pup too early even though I had read differently too. You get excited looking at that precious ball of fur so full of life. Then you have a breeder saying she does this all the time and the puppy will be fine....and I see how it happens. I know it is not right, and I know you do too now -- but I see how easily it would happen. I know you will stand your guns the next time if you ever run into someone like that again. Not sure what plans you have for another pup, but if you decide to stay with yorkies, I would ensure an older and larger pup, maybe even an adult. You might also want to consider another breed that has a little larger pups to start out with. Yorkies do require a lot of care and attention in those early weeks, even when you get them at 12 weeks and @ 2 pounds. |
My girl Gigi was 14 ounces as well when we brought her home at 10 weeks. the best thing I can recommend is to make sure you habe plenty of supplements like Nutrical because these small babies dont each much like regular pups. so, i would feed her between 4-6 times per day along with her supplement. She got a little hypoglycemic once and it only took that one visit to the ER/Vet visit to learn all I had to make sure I took good care of her. Gigi is now 13 months old and weights 2.5 pounds. she is full of life and adorable as can be! good luck and dont forget that the most important part is these dogs need lots of attention and they are just like bringing a newborn home for the first time. |
My heart felt condolences for the loss of your precious little London. Sincerely, Joyce |
I am so sorry that you have lost both of your babies. I know you are broken hearted, and I empathize with you. I can tell how much you love London and how eager you were to give her the care that she needed. The combination of her being too young and also too tiny made caring for her highly risky, even for someone who is experienced with Yorkies. We keep reading about things happening to these tiny Yorkies, and it is so difficult for us to read of people being torn apart when they lose their babies. We also find it very hard to bear when these precious, innocent babies die too soon. Reading about disreputable and unscrupulous breeders brings us to the boiling point. You have my deepest sympathies for your tragic loss. I don't think people here are looking to point blame, but it is so heartbreaking to read all of this, and they want to educate others so that they won't have to suffer like you and another baby might be saved. I think you would still love a Yorkie. If you want one that is very small, you can wait to get one that is older. My tiny Gracie was given to me by her breeder when she was 6.5 months old. She was two pounds at that point, and although she required a lot of special care her entire life, I didn't have to worry about keeping her alive when she was dangerously tiny. Gracie had someone home with her most of the time, and she also had two other Yorkie sisters who were within the breed standard for size. Standard size Yorkies are also very small and so wonderful, too. I hope you are able to find a Yorkie from a reputable breeder and that your baby makes you very happy. There are so many wonderful people in this community, and we want to be able to help others with their babies. We are very passionate about this breed and the welfare of animals, so sometimes things come across strong. With that said, I am moved to tears on a daily basis by the kindness of others here, and I am truly grateful for this site and for the caring, charitable people that I have "met" here. |
[QUOTE=Avillemommy;3418153]I think this breeder has been in breeding for more than 5 yrs. I did a lot of research before purchasing my puppies and this is the only negative comments I have ever seen. I even called her vet reference. I do not think she was letting the puppies go to early mine did fine. I have 2 healthy yorkies and never had a problem. Did you purchase the puppies in Alabama? or Florida? Was the puppy shipped or picked up? Why not call the breeder and see what she has to say and let her know what happened to the puppy. I stay in touch with Alabama Toys and Teacups and send photos to them of my growing babies all the time. She always has helpful advice or tips. If she thought the puppy was not ready I do not think she would have sent it. Alabama Toys and Teacups has a one year warranty with all her puppies and 48 hr warranty to get puppies vet checked. I took mine straight to vet after picking them up and got a clean bill of health. Did you take your puppy to get vet checked? How are the other puppies? Did they pass away or ok with their new owners? Was there something else wrong with the puppy? Did you have autopsy? Sorry about your loss I do not know what I would do with out my little ones. [/QUOT I am a plain talker...no one can misunderstand me... You say the breeder would not have sent the puppy unless she felt it ready... COMMONSENSE 101...the puppy weighed 11 oz. at 10 weeks...in 35 plus years I have never seen a puppy of that age and weight ready to play in a yard, walk on a lead, leave alone for more then 4 hrs...at best it can treated like a fragile, little bird...ethical breeders do not allow the pet buyer to do their job...and that is insuring the best chance of surivival for each and every animal they produce...this pup should not have left the breeder for another 3 months or more unless it had a major growth spurt. The dozens of good experinces in no way erases this error...and a good breeder knows not to do this....read my lips..it weighed 11 oz..hamsters weigh 11 0z.... |
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Sorry, if I am wrong, and don't take this the wrong way but Avillemommy, you have only 3 post on this forum. It seems kind of strange to me that the first one and your 3rd one is about WickedWitchs' experience with the breeder and you have nothing but praise for her? Hmmmmm |
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