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TraceyAnn 06-09-2010 02:12 PM
Tucker was said to have an overbite, his mouth did look a little off in the picture I saw of him, before buying him. Anyway, when I got him and took him to the vet to get checked out, the vet was like WOW, his bite is so off that she considered it to be like parrot jaw, the lower jaw and teeth are way back and touch his roof of the mouth. I actually asked the vet if his lower jaw couldn't somehow be brought out surgically. Beside the fact I think she thought I was crazy, she said if he can eat, he doesn't need surgery, because the bite is so off, he needs alot of dental care.

dwerten 06-09-2010 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3157802)
Oh that's interesting, especially the dementia aspect.

In her original post the OP said that the vet said that "calcium level is 5.9, she said she thinks it's hypoparathyroid." Hypo usually means slow, so I guess that means a slow working parathyroid that isn't producing enough calcium in the blood. The OP wanted to about alternative calcium, as the type she was told to buy was very expensive. I do know that you have to be careful about the type, as some is not absorbed as well as others, or it must be in some type of combination, for best absorption. According to her second post the pharmacy came up with a better price now.

To the OP, if this is a suppliment that will be needed for a long time, you might be able to find better prices on the web, they can contact your doctor if a prescription is needed. I wonder if the diarrhea could cause a low calcium test result?
i definitely know the diarrhea will cause that as the way they diagnose dogs for lymphangiecstasia is low calcium, low protien, and low cholesterol as i have read a necropsy for a dog who died of lymphangiecstasia and that was on it. A vet mentioned this to me as ibd dogs can get this disease so i wanted to learn everything about it so someone on a health yahoo group sent me the necropsy for her dog to review.

I just heard back from Jean Dodds and she said hypoparathyroid is very rare in dogs and she is very knowledgeable about blood work having studied it for 40 years and she gets blood work from vets and specialists from all over the world to review as a second opinion. If it was common she would probably know.

TraceyAnn 06-09-2010 02:28 PM
How is lymphangiecstagsia diagnosed? Now I am back panicking again. I am actually afraid to look it up. I don't like the idea that the hypoparathyroid is a rare thing.

dwerten 06-09-2010 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TraceyAnn (Post 3157862)
Tucker was said to have an overbite, his mouth did look a little off in the picture I saw of him, before buying him. Anyway, when I got him and took him to the vet to get checked out, the vet was like WOW, his bite is so off that she considered it to be like parrot jaw, the lower jaw and teeth are way back and touch his roof of the mouth. I actually asked the vet if his lower jaw couldn't somehow be brought out surgically. Beside the fact I think she thought I was crazy, she said if he can eat, he doesn't need surgery, because the bite is so off, he needs alot of dental care.
my dex is a puppymill pup and his bite is off too so when he gets his dental by dentist I will have jaw xrayed as hes two canines line up perfectly top and bottom so the top one pushed out the bottom one almost straight so his tongue now at 6 hangs out at times. I think alot of that is genetics but when they are puppies when they pull out baby teeth it is not uncommon for vets to break a tiny dogs jaw in doing so and dex had 10 baby teeth taken out when neutered and he was in a lot of pain after his neuter and neuters are suppose to be easy so still haunts me a bit. He did not seem to have a prob eating kibble back then and i would think if jaw was broke he would not be able to eat kibble so i am hoping this was just a deformity due to him being a puppy mill dog. I agree if they can eat no need to fix it.

dwerten 06-09-2010 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TraceyAnn (Post 3157862)
Tucker was said to have an overbite, his mouth did look a little off in the picture I saw of him, before buying him. Anyway, when I got him and took him to the vet to get checked out, the vet was like WOW, his bite is so off that she considered it to be like parrot jaw, the lower jaw and teeth are way back and touch his roof of the mouth. I actually asked the vet if his lower jaw couldn't somehow be brought out surgically. Beside the fact I think she thought I was crazy, she said if he can eat, he doesn't need surgery, because the bite is so off, he needs alot of dental care.
my dex is a puppymill pup and his bite is off too so when he gets his dental by dentist I will have jaw xrayed as his two canines line up perfectly top and bottom so the top one pushed out the bottom one almost straight so his tongue now at 6 hangs out at times. I think alot of that is genetics but when they are puppies when they pull out baby teeth it is not uncommon for vets to break a tiny dogs jaw in doing so and dex had 10 baby teeth taken out when neutered and he was in a lot of pain after his neuter and neuters are suppose to be easy so still haunts me a bit. He did not seem to have a prob eating kibble back then and i would think if jaw was broke he would not be able to eat kibble so i am hoping this was just a deformity due to him being a puppy mill dog. I agree if they can eat no need to fix it.

Tums are used by ucdavis as a source of calcium in their Welcome to the Balance IT® Web Site diets

I think you said protein was low as well correct? Not just calcium?

Nancy1999 06-09-2010 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TraceyAnn (Post 3157870)
How is lymphangiecstagsia diagnosed? Now I am back panicking again. I am actually afraid to look it up. I don't like the idea that the hypoparathyroid is a rare thing.
There's no reason for you to be panic, and just because something is rare doesn't mean it's life threatening. The point is your vet is testing and taking blood levels and keeping ahead of the whole thing. If the low calcium levels were caused by the diarrhea, as a result of getting something from digging in the compost, he may not even have hyperparathyroidism. It sounds like she wants to monitor the calcium levels and go from there. She is aware of the dog digging in compost isn't she?

I don't think dwerten is saying that she thinks your dog has lymphangiecstasia. :confused:

dwerten 06-09-2010 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3157881)
There's no reason for you to be panic, and just because something is rare doesn't mean it's life threatening. The point is your vet is testing and taking blood levels and keeping ahead of the whole thing. If the low calcium levels were caused by the diarrhea, as a result of getting something from digging in the compost, he may not even have hyperparathyroidism. It sounds like she wants to monitor the calcium levels and go from there. She is aware of the dog digging in compost isn't she?

I don't think dwerten is saying that she thinks your dog has lymphangiecstasia. :confused:
nope just saying what things may cause low calcium and protein in this breed

When you go in take that compost bag with you to show the vet so she can see what was eaten this might help her as well to rule this out as the cause

how long after the compost incident did the diarrhea start?

I personally think it is more tied to the compost like manolos mom dog

TraceyAnn 06-09-2010 02:55 PM
the compost came from our own compost bin. my hubby mixed a layer of compost in with the regular soil in the raised veggie bed. Obviously not raised high enough for tucker, and tucker bought in a hunk of dirt? compost? I grabbed it right away, but I don't know how much he actually ate. As far as that lymph thing, I only found one site so far, it did say diarrhea and a round belly, and vomitting, he always had a round piglet belly, but never the vomitting. It would be a blessing if all his labs including the calcium are off and low because of the diarrhea and not from an illness. I'm wondering if the 1lb. wt. loss could be from going grain free, don't ya think 1lb. would be alot just from 2 loose bm's a day.
I think the loose stool came about 7-10 days after the eating incident.

dwerten 06-09-2010 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TraceyAnn (Post 3157902)
the compost came from our own compost bin. my hubby mixed a layer of compost in with the regular soil in the raised veggie bed. Obviously not raised high enough for tucker, and tucker bought in a hunk of dirt? compost? I grabbed it right away, but I don't know how much he actually ate. As far as that lymph thing, I only found one site so far, it did say diarrhea and a round belly, and vomitting, he always had a round piglet belly, but never the vomitting. It would be a blessing if all his labs including the calcium are off and low because of the diarrhea and not from an illness. I'm wondering if the 1lb. wt. loss could be from going grain free, don't ya think 1lb. would be alot just from 2 loose bm's a day.
I think the loose stool came about 7-10 days after the eating incident.
How much does he weigh? as for a small dog 1lb can be alot.

did you just recently switch food as diarrhea can be from that as well?

7-10 days could be incubation for fungal infection. Did you bring up to vet about compost? I would converse with manolos mom to see what she noticed with her dog as she went through the fungal issue and her vet diagnosed with lymphangiecstasia at first but the blood work was normal so you can compare incidents.

It looks like you have a diet change and compost prior to incident correct? was there anything else? Was your dog ever acting sick before all this any other issues on blood work etc. as dogs that get lymphangiecstasia usually have a long battle with inflammatory bowel disease it does not just pop up out of no where usually.

dwerten 06-09-2010 03:13 PM
here is some info on hypoparathyroid info from the merck veterinary manual

Merck Veterinary Manual

Nancy1999 06-09-2010 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TraceyAnn (Post 3157902)
the compost came from our own compost bin. my hubby mixed a layer of compost in with the regular soil in the raised veggie bed. Obviously not raised high enough for tucker, and tucker bought in a hunk of dirt? compost? I grabbed it right away, but I don't know how much he actually ate. As far as that lymph thing, I only found one site so far, it did say diarrhea and a round belly, and vomitting, he always had a round piglet belly, but never the vomitting. It would be a blessing if all his labs including the calcium are off and low because of the diarrhea and not from an illness. I'm wondering if the 1lb. wt. loss could be from going grain free, don't ya think 1lb. would be alot just from 2 loose bm's a day.
I think the loose stool came about 7-10 days after the eating incident.
I too hope the diarrhea has caused the calcium to be off, but it sounds like it was so low she wanted to do something to correct it right away. A one-pound weight loss can easily occur with diarrhea because so much moisture is lost. This weight comes right back on when properly hydrated. Seven to 10 days is probably too long to have caused the diarrhea from a simple stomach upset, that happens within 24 hours, but it's possible some type of bacteria could have caused a more serious illness, but of course I'm just guessing. It sounds like he's in good hands, and I hope the next lab results give you good news. Lol, I love your description of little piglet belly, Joey had one of those as a puppy too!

dwerten 06-09-2010 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3157919)
I too hope the diarrhea has caused the calcium to be off, but it sounds like it was so low she wanted to do something to correct it right away. A one-pound weight loss can easily occur with diarrhea because so much moisture is lost. This weight comes right back on when properly hydrated. Seven to 10 days is probably too long to have caused the diarrhea from a simple stomach upset, that happens within 24 hours, but it's possible some type of bacteria could have caused a more serious illness, but of course I'm just guessing. It sounds like he's in good hands, and I hope the next lab results give you good news. Lol, I love your description of little piglet belly, Joey had one of those as a puppy too!
I agree as a vet tech told me once diarrhea is more dehydrating than vomitting in a dog. Sounds like vet is on top of it for sure. Just make sure you tell her everything that happened prior to this occuring in detail to make sure nothing is missed :) The more detailed the owner can be with info the faster a vet can diagnose the problem and treat properly as you are with the dog 24/7 :) Some times the littlest things can be the most important too.

TraceyAnn 06-09-2010 03:22 PM
he gained alot of wt. since the collapsed trachea issues. he gets carried 1/2 the time of our walks. so he was steady weighing in at 8lbs. I went grain free for almost a year, if not longer. He only had a bout of diarrhea 1x in 7 years, and that was when I was away and my daughter stayed home and watched him, he actually had blood in his stool and she rushed him to the vet, I think he was on pepcid and something else for a week, then it was over, that was 3 years ago. So he either lost 1 lb. in the whole year of the food switch, or he lost 1lb. in 2 weeks? He really didn't have any decrease of appetite since this diarrhea thing, he's always ready for dinner and treats, he's looking at the microwave now!!! He's not resting like a few days ago, he's sitting perfectly alert, waiting for something, gee I hope it's not dementia!

TraceyAnn 06-09-2010 03:27 PM
If it was fungal, I don't think flagyl would have stopped the infection, I think flagyl is for bacteria, I think. then again why did it stop for a day or two, start again, then after the tums completely stop. almost like the low calcium had something to due with producing loose stools. It sounds whacked but that's what it seems. or maybe the flagyl needed time to kill the stuff off and it's just a coincidence that it stopped after the tums.

dwerten 06-09-2010 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TraceyAnn (Post 3157931)
he gained alot of wt. since the collapsed trachea issues. he gets carried 1/2 the time of our walks. so he was steady weighing in at 8lbs. I went grain free for almost a year, if not longer. He only had a bout of diarrhea 1x in 7 years, and that was when I was away and my daughter stayed home and watched him, he actually had blood in his stool and she rushed him to the vet, I think he was on pepcid and something else for a week, then it was over, that was 3 years ago. So he either lost 1 lb. in the whole year of the food switch, or he lost 1lb. in 2 weeks? He really didn't have any decrease of appetite since this diarrhea thing, he's always ready for dinner and treats, he's looking at the microwave now!!! He's not resting like a few days ago, he's sitting perfectly alert, waiting for something, gee I hope it's not dementia!
LOL not dimentia :)

Probably loss of weight due to diarrhea is my guess. So he has been on that food a while so you can rule that one out then.

The blood in stool when you were out of town was probably colitis as they get stress colitis sometimes if they get stressed when you are gone. This breed tends to have intestinal issues so stress colitis is pretty common too.


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