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BonBon 04-16-2010 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Darlene68 (Post 3087651)
Thanks for the reassurances everyone, I've played tug of war with him, he chews bully's all the time, and they are not moving, the 2 upper canines are solid. The one in the back is turning brown and I'm afraid of infection.
Bonny I do brush is teeth every second day, but there is one tooth that looks like it is not in good shape right in the back, the vet said it sounded like a dead tooth, It's been loose for awhile, but not loose enough to fall out! :(
Since you said that, I do think he needs to have them pulled now. I'm sorry - I'm no help. So much of my decision would be based on my experiences with this doctor. I liked the idea someone else had - can you go for a long weekend somewhere with a better selection of doctors?

RachelandSadie 04-16-2010 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Darlene68 (Post 3087651)
Thanks for the reassurances everyone, I've played tug of war with him, he chews bully's all the time, and they are not moving, the 2 upper canines are solid. The one in the back is turning brown and I'm afraid of infection.
Bonny I do brush is teeth every second day, but there is one tooth that looks like it is not in good shape right in the back, the vet said it sounded like a dead tooth, It's been loose for awhile, but not loose enough to fall out! :(
i will post the pictures of Sadie's canine with roots...there's no way those were coming out...maybe ur dog has long roots like hers were.

Ellie May 04-16-2010 12:08 PM
I've known about your vet situation for awhile and still can't comprehend what it would be like. :(

But on the good side, this vet's answers to you look good.
If they use Iso or Sevo, I think it's okay.
Surgery on a heated surface since he's so small would be even better (or at least hot water bottles, heated towels, etc.).

Darlene68 04-16-2010 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3088155)
I've known about your vet situation for awhile and still can't comprehend what it would be like. :(

But on the good side, this vet's answers to you look good.
If they use Iso or Sevo, I think it's okay.
Surgery on a heated surface since he's so small would be even better (or at least hot water bottles, heated towels, etc.).
Ellie May, Are these types of anaesthesia? I never even thought to ask. Also do you think he should be hooked to IV during the precedure? Is that mandatory in other areas? He just had bloodwork last month and that was all in the normal range thankfully.

Darlene68 04-16-2010 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3087763)
i will post the pictures of Sadie's canine with roots...there's no way those were coming out...maybe ur dog has long roots like hers were.
Yes they are solid, the vet said the roots were probably very long, I guess that must be very painful after they are removed :(

Ellie May 04-16-2010 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Darlene68 (Post 3088245)
Ellie May, Are these types of anaesthesia? I never even thought to ask. Also do you think he should be hooked to IV during the precedure? Is that mandatory in other areas? He just had bloodwork last month and that was all in the normal range thankfully.
It's not mandatory, but it is a safety precaution. If something goes wrong, they have a line in him already. Wouldn't allow surgery without it on Ellie...

Yes, they are types of anesthesia. Each vet has their own preference. I like Iso so far... These are gases used for maintenance. Halothane is another one, but I would not use it. Before they can intubate and give him this gas, something is used to "knock down." You can read about all of this in the YT Library. :)

ladyjane 04-16-2010 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3088155)
I've known about your vet situation for awhile and still can't comprehend what it would be like. :(

But on the good side, this vet's answers to you look good.
If they use Iso or Sevo, I think it's okay.
Surgery on a heated surface since he's so small would be even better (or at least hot water bottles, heated towels, etc.).
I thought the vet's answers sounded good as well. He really does need to have these teeth removed.

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Originally Posted by Darlene68 (Post 3088249)
Yes they are solid, the vet said the roots were probably very long, I guess that must be very painful after they are removed :(
The canines are notorious for not coming out on their own. They do have deeper roots. Many times a vet will do a block so that the pain is decreased. They also give pain meds to them.

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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3088266)
It's not mandatory, but it is a safety precaution. If something goes wrong, they have a line in him already. Wouldn't allow surgery without it on Ellie...

Yes, they are types of anesthesia. Each vet has their own preference. I like Iso so far... These are gases used for maintenance. Halothane is another one, but I would not use it. Before they can intubate and give him this gas, something is used to "knock down." You can read about all of this in the YT Library. :)
I agree with all of this. A line is always good to have, just in case.


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The last thing I want to say is that a CT does not just come from intubation. If it becomes pronounced following intubation, it is because the trachea was weak to begin with. I have been seeing a lot of posts about this on YT lately and it worries me that people will avoid procedures that are necessary because of a fear of something that is highly unlikely.

Darlene68 04-16-2010 02:42 PM
Thank you Ellie May, I will definately make sure he is hooked up to IV.

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3088279)
The last thing I want to say is that a CT does not just come from intubation. If it becomes pronounced following intubation, it is because the trachea was weak to begin with. I have been seeing a lot of posts about this on YT lately and it worries me that people will avoid procedures that are necessary because of a fear of something that is highly unlikely.
This is what I thought because I read it here in some posts. I expressed my concerns to the vet and she said that there is usually an underlying problem beforehand. Thanks for verifying, it makes me feel a little better!

mimimomo 04-16-2010 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3087763)
i will post the pictures of Sadie's canine with roots...there's no way those were coming out...maybe ur dog has long roots like hers were.
Wowzers! :eek:

Darlene, I've pulled Mimi's back baby teeth out w/a wash cloth. It was loose, I just hooked it w/a wash cloth & my finger tip & just pulled it down (it was on top molars) & it just slipped right out. No blood either. Her canines had to be removed by the vet.

Darlene68 04-16-2010 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 3088442)
Wowzers! :eek:

Darlene, I've pulled Mimi's back baby teeth out w/a wash cloth. It was loose, I just hooked it w/a wash cloth & my finger tip & just pulled it down (it was on top molars) & it just slipped right out. No blood either. Her canines had to be removed by the vet.
I tried getting that horrible brown back tooth when I brush Bailey's teeth ( I use my finger wrapped in a cloth ) He just squirms like crazy when I touch it, so I'm afraid I will hurt him, plus I am sooo squeamish:rolleyes:

kjc 04-17-2010 09:52 AM
I think bc this vet owns a Chi, that she would be very aware when working on small breed dogs....

kjc 04-17-2010 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jjflash (Post 3087246)
I know how you feel. My Tucker still had 4 baby teeth at 7 mths that were crowding his permanent teeth. After doing a bunch of research, I decided to have them taken out when he was neutered. He was neutered at 8 mths and they removed 9 baby teeth and neutered and kept him 2 days because he was groggy from the anesthetic and the whole thing cost me under $300. I was so worried about him going under. He came out of it like a trooper but his bite is permanently distorted due to those baby teeth. His Bottom canines don't grow straight up, they sort of are at an angle like a wart hog but not to that extent, you can't see them unless he is catching a ball or something. He is not a show dog so that's ok, but I wish I had known this could happen and I would have acted sooner.
jjflash: Did the vet check or say anything about you pup's liver enzymes? Did they do pro-op bloodwork? Difficulty in coming out of anesthesia is a symptom of Liver Shunt.. he really should be tested for it...

kjc 04-17-2010 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3088266)
It's not mandatory, but it is a safety precaution. If something goes wrong, they have a line in him already. Wouldn't allow surgery without it on Ellie...

Yes, they are types of anesthesia. Each vet has their own preference. I like Iso so far... These are gases used for maintenance. Halothane is another one, but I would not use it. Before they can intubate and give him this gas, something is used to "knock down." You can read about all of this in the YT Library. :)
Sometimes they can be masked down with Iso prior to intubation...

jrsygal37 04-17-2010 10:53 AM
Darlene. How old is your little guy? Brooklyn was spayed and they removed her baby teeth but one after the fact did not come out. My vet said to wait until her first dental cleaning. Brooklyn is 10 months old. She's very tiny too 2.5 lbs. Also if you do have him put under, Sevo is the safe anastigia to use. It's short for something but I'll have to look because I can't spell it. LOL. But it is is the expensive stuff. Elaine

kjc 04-17-2010 11:42 AM
isoflurane or servoflurane, most are recommending Isoflurane, as Servoflurane can cause body temperature decreases, where isoflurane does not.


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