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Old 03-24-2010, 02:54 AM   #1
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Question Ok...so when exactly should shots be done? (for pups)

Ok so I have a question about my puppy's shots...

Ruby was born January 20th, 2010.....

She gets a first set of two shots right? Well she got one of the two from the first set on March 1st, 2010.

Was that too early to get her shot? She was taken by the breeder, it wasn't my decision. Is she not going to be protected throughout her life because she had it too early? If so, what can I do?

As for the rest of her shots, should she get the second one of the set now? (according to the breeder and the vet it's time to do it).

Is it common for shots to be done early? I mean, she was younger than 7 weeks....(which is when I got her).

Should I stall the second shot of the set? And if I don't stall the second shot of the first set, should I stall the entire second set of shots? Or do they have to be done a certain number of weeks apart?

Please give me your opinion so I can take action! She supposedly has to go in for her second shot (of the first set) at the end of the week....
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Old 03-24-2010, 04:42 AM   #2
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Wow, six weeks old was way to young to have had vaccines started. It more likely than not had no beneficial effect. A pup at six weeks most likely had such a high level of mom's maternal antibodies that it blocked....

During the first 36 hours after whelping, the dam’s milk contains high levels of antibodies. Antibody-rich first milk is called colostrum. The “passive transfer” of antibodies from dam to pup will provide protection for the first
6–16 weeks of the pup’s life. This same passive protection that also blocks the ability of vaccines to induce immunity in pups.

If a puppy is vaccinated and it has maternal antibodies present, the maternal antibodies will interpret the vaccine as a foreign invader and destroy it. There will be no immune response from the pup's immune system since the maternal antibodies intercepted and destroyed it before any response could occur. This is called “maternal antibody interference”.

A vaccine can not provide immunity for a pup until the maternal antibodies are low enough to NOT fight off the virus in the vaccine.

This is why puppy shots are usually done in three sets at approx. 4 weeks apart. So that at least one set of shots was given after the maternal antibodies had waned and can provide immunity against that virus.

It isn't that vaccines for parvo and distemper need a "set" to be effective. It's because the vaccines are being done way too soon.Here are some quotes from reliable sources concerning this issue.....


Research shows that less than 50% of puppies will respond at 6 wks.of age....75% at 9 wks. of age... 90% at 12 weeks.... and by 14 to16 weeks, close to 100% will respond. “(In the August 2008 issue of The Whole Dog Journal, Dr. Ronald Schultz)



It is commonly held that puppies need a certain number of vaccines for protection to be achieved (usually either 3 or 4 is the “magic” number). The number of vaccines given has nothing to do with protection. In order for protection to be achieved, vaccine must be given when it can penetrate maternal antibody. " (American Animal Hospital Association)

Multiple vaccinations with MLV vaccines are required at various ages only to ensure that one dose of the vaccine reaches the puppy's immune system without interference from passively acquired antibody. Two or more doses of killed vaccines (except rabies) and vectored vaccines are often required to induce an immune response, and both doses should be given at a time when the passively acquired antibody can no longer interfere. Thus, when puppies are first vaccinated at 16 weeks (or more) of age (an age when passively acquired antibodies generally don't cause interference), one does of an MLV vaccine, or two doses of a killed vaccine, are adequate to stimulate an immune response." (American Animal Hospital Association)


Virologists recognize that a gap of at least 3-4 weeks is desirable between giving one vaccine and then a different one, because if not so spaced the immune response to the second vaccine may be inadequate and not produce sufficient specific antibodies to give immunity. If there is a dormant/latent viral infection already present in the recipient, vaccination against another pathogen could impair the immune system leading to the latent viral infection taking hold.

We don't repeat vaccinations for parvo and distemper because we need vaccines more than once to form immunity. They are repeated for two basic reasons only: Habit, and to catch those few individuals who for some reason don't respond to the first vaccination. A single immunizing dose of a modified live virus vaccine - in other words, one vaccine that works - will form long term, probably lifetime, immunity to parvo and distemper. (Kirk's Current Veterinary Therapy XIII; 2000;


You might want to read up on combo vaccines, they are nasty vaccines for the pups immune system to process.......And, no you do not have to *start over* if you want to wait til the pup is older, as you can see it's not about the amount of vaccines given it's the timing that is important. So if a person waits til the pup is 14-18 weeks then one just may do the job. You can always do a *titer* to see if it *took* two weeks after the vaccine is given. Also, you might want to do searches for vaccine info on people who have been fighting this issue for decades....Dr. Dodds....Catherine O'Driscoll....Dr. M. Goldstein.....Dr. Schultz......There are also books you may find at your library.....Shock to the System ....Stop the Shots.......

Here are some interesting sites to read.......

Canine Vaccination News

Canine Health Concern - Putting your dog’s health first

Small Dogs | Truth4Dogs

Don't forget this is *your* pup, you call the shots, not the vet, you'll find most vets tend to push vaccines by telling you they are harmless, this couldn't be farther from the truth.....Good luck......
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Ok so I know about how the shots are administered in general...and thank you for providing more information...

I read this other thread about vaccinations too...but what I don't know is what to do now!

Should I take her for the second shot or not? What would you do?

I realize the first shot was probably done too early (I can't change that and it wasn't my decision anyway) but what should I do now? Continue as planned (by vet and breeder) or....wait for the second shot of the first set to be administered later on when she's older and it will be more effective?
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We use Dr. Dodd's Protocol with just a few adjustments specific to our area.

W Jean Dodds Vaccine Protocol VACCINATION PROTOCOLS
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You have several options.....You can follow Dr.Dodds schedule, even though she made this schedule being on the conservative side, because she herself has admitted that a single vaccine given at/after 16 weeks will more than likely provide immunity. This is what most people use because it's what they are accustomed to..... Which means if your spacing the vaccines out 3-4 weeks from the first vaccine it would be time to do another......

"Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces immunity, which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titers are not “boosted” nor are more memory cells induced. "J Dodds, DVM


These are other advocates schedules, I posted then so you can see you do have options, the choice is yours.....Personally I like Dr. Pitcairn's, the same result with fewer vaccines......Take your time and do some reading, there is no set time to have this done, as long as the pup remains at home..........


* Dr. J. Dodds:
Parvo and distemper: each starting at, 9-10wks.& 14 wks, spacing 3-4 weeks apart, then at one year titer or booster.
Rabies: as late as law allows, 3-4 weeks apart from other vaccines.
No other vaccine unless specific circumstances dictate an urgent need.
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* An example of a safe puppy vaccination schedule as suggested by Dr. Pitcairn is as follows:

* From 0 week to 22 weeks - keep the puppy isolated from other dogs
* First distemper - 16 weeks
* First parvo - 20 weeks
* Second distemper - 24 weeks
* Second parvo - 28 weeks
* Rabies - 32 weeks
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* Dr. Schultz.
Parvo & distemper. one of each 15-16 wks. of age. Titer two weeks later. If low, revaccinate, and test again. No more vaccines.
Rabies: by law

Canine Distemper (MLV) 10-12 weeks
Canine Parvovirus (MLV) 12-14 weeks
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*Dr. Charles Loops D.V.M.

After three months of age :
Give one Distemper/Parvo vaccination. If separate vaccines are available, space the Distemper and Parvovirus vaccinations by three to four weeks. Rabies vaccinations should be delayed until six months of age. Lyme disease, Coronavirus, and Kennel Cough vaccines do not meet the criteria mentioned previously for a useful vaccine and I do not recommend giving them. Lifetime protection is highly likely after one vaccination.
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Two-four sets of shots are usually given to pups. It will need to be four most likely now since they were started way too early (if you stick with this schedule). They should be given 3-4 weeks apart ending no sooner than 16 weeks...preferrably 18 weeks. But what do you mean the first half and second half of the first set??? We do it differently in the US...
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Here's a link, from this site (YT) they may guide you...

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Thank you all very much!!!!

I think I will call the vet to discuss this with him and see what he says...I don't know, here in Greece they don't have such strict guidelines, so they may rush things. I'll get his opinion and see what I'm going to do...(if i agree with him or not, hehe )
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Thank you all very much!!!!

I think I will call the vet to discuss this with him and see what he says...I don't know, here in Greece they don't have such strict guidelines, so they may rush things. I'll get his opinion and see what I'm going to do...(if i agree with him or not, hehe )
You are so right on gathering information and making your own decision as to what is best for you and your baby...I'm totally on board w/that!!
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