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I don't know, either. It may be the food or it may just be her normal routine. |
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Three thoughts: (1) Artemis has chicken listed several times in the first 5 ingredients, some dogs are allergic to that. (2) Now has fiber listed in the top 5, 3 times and it continues down the list, so I would not go that way if you have a pup with issues, just imo. (3) I would try something that contains a meat, not chicken, with less fiber. Just a suggestion, hope it helps. |
I asked the vet...but at the time I was feeding Artemis which has more grains. She agreed that if I changed to grain free that it might help which it didn't. Could be the Now! since carbs are listed first before meats. I think I'll try the Acana. Keep you posted! Thanks everyone! |
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"Thank-you for your enquiry! ! Determining carbs in any food is easy, you simply add the protein, moisture, fat, fiber and ash and the remaining is carbs. Further to that it is not possible to have a low carb without the high protein..In the case of the NOW! GF Dog it is 30% , and the cat 24% and in our GO! GF is it 27%. I hope this helps!" |
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Hmmm....30% carbs might explain Lily's frequent stools. |
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GUARANTEED ANALYSIS Crude Protein (min) 28% Available in 1 lb, 6lb & 25lb bags (min) 18% Crude Fiber(max) 3% Moisture(max) 10% Calcium(min) 1.2% Phosphorus(min) .8% *Omega 6 Fatty Acids(min) 2.8% *Omega 3 Fatty Acids(min) .56 So... 28+18+3+ 10+ 6.5 (normal ash in dog food) - 100 = 34.5% carbs. The normal amount of carbs in dog food usually ranges from around 30% to 75% depending on the kibble. Carbohydrates are added to kibble to assist in the creation a stable product. Kibble would not exist in its current form today if it was not for the molecular composition of the starch in carbohydrates; unlike canned foods which can be produced without them. Dogs can digest both, protein and carbohydrates, however due to the need to stabilize kibble, carbohydrates are added and then passed off as being equal to the energy of proteins. Which in essence is true. However carbs have limited use, mainly as an energy for the muscles, the brain, and the heart to run on, and as a fiber source. Whereas, proteins have nearly infinite uses; from enzymatic activity, structural support , carriers for solutes , not to mention the unlimited uses within the cells themselves. Protein is just a more valuable energy and nutrient source than carbohydrates are, and unfortunately much, much more expensive to add into kibbles. Thus, there are increasing amounts of carbohydrates being produced in kibbles, and being passed off as good for our pets. Yes, they are good, and yes they are needed, but imo, not in the quantities that some kibbles have been producing. BTW,,, just loved their email.:) |
So.... What do you all think? Is this a good choice for food? I still have not tried the 1 lb bag I got because I am still finishing the Acana and Nature's Variety. Natures Variety Prairie line is not to high in protein level. About 26% average. Where as the Acana is 33% average. |
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For those of us who can't feed high protein, grains or chicken products this sounds like a pretty good food to me. Or am I missing something? Thank you for this great information, and for putting it in a way that I can understand!! |
Bonny...its sounds like a great brand! I hope I'm not missing anything either...I just ordered 25# of kibble... It seems to have everything I'm looking for and Lola loves it!! We will see how it plays out.... |
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Normally, in the wild a dog would digest around 10% carbohydrates, and that would be acquired explicitly through whatever prey he digests. He would not normally go out in search of fruits and vegetables. The main function of the cells in a dogs body is to digest and re-formulate protein, which is very interesting! Thus, the design of their teeth structure, more incisors and canines than molars, for ripping and tearing meat apart: a high source of nutrient dense protein. However, genetics throws a curve ball at us sometimes and we end up with dogs who are allergic to proteins and or grains, or have chronic disease issues such as pancreatitis, like my Milkyway had. This food would appear, just imo , to fit the bill for those cases exactly! Lots of energy from complex carbohydrates & with the added fiber, it ensures that there will be a slow breakdown of the carbs for a continuous supply of energy over time. For a dog with such chronic issues, new ways of thinking about nutrients and energy must considered! So I would agree with you, this kibble sounds like it would fit the bill! However, for anyone whose dog isn't, just my opinion once again, I would definitely go with a higher protein content. Even though dogs like humans can restructure proteins from their diet, proteins do differ in respect to whether they are acquired from vegetables or meats, and as to whether they are synthesized in the body, or whether they are part of the essential amino acids group. Oh well, that is another new rant..LOL:rolleyes: Hope this helps put into perspective my train of thoughts; which sometimes seems to ramble on! :p |
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I have another question for you, if you don't mind (sorry to flood you with questions). :p Does the level of protein in a food play any part in weight gain, or is weight gain strictly connected with caloric intake/output? It seems like some of mine gain too much on the higher protein foods. |
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All of my dogs have gained weight eating higher protien dog foods. My beagle is now on a diet (per vets orders, she is not fat just really thick and bulky) and Tucker is on a prescription diet after eating a few teaspoons of EVO wet and Acana daily, which is only 33 percent protein. I really thought I had found a good quality food that was working for my dogs. :(. When I had them on totw almost 2 years ago, they all gained weight too, Tucker as a puppy gained almost 3 pounds in 6 weeks. :eek: I guess some dogs can burn off or tolerate the higher protien more than others. I just find it odd that I have 3 dogs of different breeds and activity levels gained weight while on higher protien foods. :confused: |
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You are right, weight gain is strictly connected to caloric intake. All the energy units, Proteins, Carbohydrates, and Fats are used within the body and then whatever is not needed currently is turned into "storage units" via fats. This happens to All of the energy units. Some of the excess Carbohydrates are stored in the liver as glycogen, and then whatever is left is turned into fat and stored in cells. Fats are digested and the excess is sent to the liver as well, where it can be turned into such things as cholesterol, and then the unused portions are sent to the fat cells for future use. Proteins are broken down into peptides, and then farther, into amino acids. From here, the amino acids go through the body via the blood stream restocking, if you will, all the cells needs, then they too , are eventually converted into fats and sugars and follow the same sequence as the other two and get stored as fat. Now when you speak of building muscle, proteins do that better than any of the others. Just ask any bodybuilder what their protein kcal intake per day is and you will be astonished! Some speak of muscle weighing more than fat, which is not really correct. 1pound of fat = 1pound muscle, which = 1 pound of anything else, right? However, the density,size, or bulk of the actual 1 pound of fat is larger than the 1 pound of muscle. So two dogs of the exact weight may vary greatly as to their appearance, and as to whether they are healthy or not. As one dog might be 3 pounds of fat where the other might be 3 pounds of muscle. So maybe yours are not gaining fat, but gaining denser muscle tissue through the protein. Maybe if you track their measurements you could see if the actual inches are going down , despite the weight gain. Hope this gives you some more information to work with...:thumbup: |
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