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Mardelin 01-14-2010 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2956482)
yeah my vet sent her personal friend to ucdavis for internal shunt on a boxer and the dog died and ucdavis is far away from this person as she is from orange county i believe where vet care is expensive as my cousin lives there. UCDAVIS is more known for nutrition and i would not have my dog done there at all. The only dog i know that had surgery in so cal was a lady on liver shunt group she drove down from washington to dr broom had the scintigraphy done and it was a shunt then some other guy down here did surgery and dog died - NO WAY i would only have dr tobias and it costs about 4,000 to have surgery in so cal as my friend checked it out so she flew to ut and spent a week there and it was half the cost i have not heard of one positive shunt surgery in southern california so i would not risk it --i know this may sound funny but i prefer women surgeons they have small hands and i believe that is important in doing surgery on tiny dogs lollll
That's all well and fine....if you can afford the trip to Dr. Tobias, but there are those that can't.

Now isn't that funny because there are several members of Yorkshire Terrier Club of Greater L.A and YTCA that only have their dogs tested at UC Davis.

dwerten 01-14-2010 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2956487)
That's all well and fine....if you can afford the trip to Dr. Tobias, but there are those that can't.

Now isn't that funny because there are several members of Yorkshire Terrier Club of Greater L.A and YTCA that only have their dogs tested at UC Davis.
never heard of that and on several yorky groups and maltese groups haven't been on liver shunt group in a while but i could post if they have but after my vet's friends dog died no way would i have the surgery done there and it is 8hrs away from this person. The internal shunts are much more difficult to repair than external in their defense as internal shunts are in large breeds but my vet said she would never recommend repair for internal shunt again after her friends dog died :( sad

dwerten 01-14-2010 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2956487)
That's all well and fine....if you can afford the trip to Dr. Tobias, but there are those that can't.

Now isn't that funny because there are several members of Yorkshire Terrier Club of Greater L.A and YTCA that only have their dogs tested at UC Davis.
also remember the cost in california is very expensive so she will have to make a trip 8hrs away stay in hotel and i am sure ucdavis is not that much cheaper than private practice and if they were that great not sure why the lady from washington did not go there instead of coming all the way to southern california for it to be done and this was just a few years ago. Do they do the scintigraphy at ucdavis? Our vet dentist use to run the small animal hospital there i can ask him as dex is going in for dental but my friend came with me to appt with him and she has the liver shunt that was repaired by tobias so he said i bet it was way cheaper to have shunt surgery than here in california and she quoted him the price and he said yeah it would be double here so i think he would have said something about ucdavis if it was less

Sashabear0430 01-14-2010 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bellbuzz07 (Post 2956400)
what about the original poster? her babies post test was over 200... any suggesttions, kind words, or prayers for her?:confused:
thank you. this post was pretty much useless cause im not feeling any better about this. Thanks to the 3 people who responded to my post. not to be mean but if you want to talk about something off topic, make your own thread please.

dwerten 01-14-2010 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sashabear0430 (Post 2956514)
thank you. this post was pretty much useless cause im not feeling any better about this. Thanks to the 3 people who responded to my post. not to be mean but if you want to talk about something off topic, make your own thread please.
I think everyone has given you alot of information here but it will ultimately be up to you to decide the next step whether to do scintigraphy, consult dr centers, surgery, etc as i know you have stated finances are an issue but with those numbers being well over 100 I would further pursue testing myself but this will have to be your decision. If she is not having any symptoms you can hold out and retest in 6 months but with symptoms i would not wait

Elle 01-14-2010 03:14 PM
The reasons I've known them not to do the ring or silk thread is when the dog has MVD. I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to. But there are times that a client doesn't know that until they get there; going into surgery.

May I ask you? Has your yorkie been spayed or a dental yet? I'm assuming she has not. If so, any problems? How old is she? Not one symptom? Do you have other yorkies to sure that isn't revealing any symptoms? Not to under-mind I'm just curious. Nothing else.

I'm not jumping to any conclusions assuming surgery. I've found that very few end up needing it. But say that she does. Most people that need it are financially strapped. By the time most people get a true diagnosis they've spend thousands just trying to figure out what is wrong w/ their yorkie. By her not having symptoms & you being educated it's beneficial. But if in the rare chance you may need surgery. The Dr's have affordable resources nearby to make the visit as low as possible.

Sashabear0430 01-14-2010 03:38 PM
has anyone traveled to UT from california by car?? If so, what hotels did you stay at and how long did you need to stay in Tenn.?

dwerten 01-14-2010 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sashabear0430 (Post 2956587)
has anyone traveled to UT from california by car?? If so, what hotels did you stay at and how long did you need to stay in Tenn.?
did you join liver shunt group on yahoo as they have a list of hotels that are recommended adn i would say you need to stay a week as you want to make sure no complications before you drive back

Elle 01-14-2010 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2955967)
my other thought is dogs digest food much faster than humans as their digestive tract is smaller and why they can tolerate raw based diets so this could be why she does not think it necessary as the food is out of system much faster but again if it were mine i would want to make sure nothing was in that system for 12 hrs prior also many dogs will not eat at vets office and some people are not close to home so getting a dog to eat when they are really hungry may help as that test has to be done post right on the dot at 2hrs or it will be inaccurate
I don't think that 12 hr fasting holds any bearing on getting them to eat. It's not long enough to to change the behavior greatly. Some vets have used things like frozen Bill Jack & chicken or hamburger to motivate them. This will put it in prospective. 8 pm - 8am without food. This isn't torture, is it? A good vet knows canine behavior. Getting a dog to eat is easy when they feel secure.

Elle 01-14-2010 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sashabear0430 (Post 2956514)
thank you. this post was pretty much useless cause im not feeling any better about this. Thanks to the 3 people who responded to my post. not to be mean but if you want to talk about something off topic, make your own thread please.
I'm not sure who you as suggesting to make their own thread. I can't imagine why you just said that to an innocent person that is only wishing you the best. It wasn't useless, it shows some people may not have something to add but they care about another human & the well being of an animal. Useless????


Are you referring to the 3 people as Mardelin,dwerten & I? I'm not going to get upset. I understand your scared. It's okay. But don't be rude & saying I don't mean to be rude is all the same.

You posted the post. The post has absolutely remained on point. Bile Acids/LS isn't a subject I take lightly. Please just calm down. It will be okay. I have been in your shoes more times than more times than MANY PEOPLE HAVE EVEN SEEN A YORKIE. I've been through the surgery. I thought I was going to have to have it about 40 times though. It is not always the case.

Fight the urge to panic! Either Dr.s ask you get another test prior to seeing you. Please don't jump conclusions.

You will be okay. She will be okay.
Isn't K-Town about 2,000 miles from Cal?

Sashabear0430 01-14-2010 11:13 PM
Yes useless to me. I was telling that person thanks for wishing the best because I posted the post about Sashas BAT test and she along with 4 other people actually stayed on topic. You guys were talking about your opinions on things and not giving me advice. I said to make your own thread because you guys were going on and on about something else. I was not being rude. One person didn't even know I posted sashas results because of alll the other posts about some other stuff. Yes I'm stressed because I'm 17 and don't have a job because no one is hiring. Please don't ask why my parents can't pay for it. They are not made of money. So thanks to eevryone who wished me luck and gave me advice. That includes dwerten.

manolos mom 01-15-2010 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Sashabear0430 (Post 2957106)
Yes useless to me. I was telling that person thanks for wishing the best because I posted the post about Sashas BAT test and she along with 4 other people actually stayed on topic. You guys were talking about your opinions on things and not giving me advice. I said to make your own thread because you guys were going on and on about something else. I was not being rude. One person didn't even know I posted sashas results because of alll the other posts about some other stuff. Yes I'm stressed because I'm 17 and don't have a job because no one is hiring. Please don't ask why my parents can't pay for it. They are not made of money. So thanks to eevryone who wished me luck and gave me advice. That includes dwerten.
Hello Sashabear, I would like to send you hugs and wish you the best of luck. I know you have been dealing with this since September. If I can help you in anyway please let me know. Lissette

dwerten 01-15-2010 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 2956991)
I don't think that 12 hr fasting holds any bearing on getting them to eat. It's not long enough to to change the behavior greatly. Some vets have used things like frozen Bill Jack & chicken or hamburger to motivate them. This will put it in prospective. 8 pm - 8am without food. This isn't torture, is it? A good vet knows canine behavior. Getting a dog to eat is easy when they feel secure.
well having had the test 3 times mine is a total pig and food obssessed was on a 12 hr fast and we had a hard time getting her to eat at vets office so sorry do not agree with that - dogs do not eat many times at vets offices as they get stressed even the best eaters like mine when i put the food down it is gone in seconds so a dog that is hard to get to eat like liver shunt dogs it is even more difficult to get them to eat. Also feeding a high protein diet prior to post will throw off test so you are suppose to feed in my opinion what they normally eat to get the most accurate result so you know if you should lower protein they are currently eating or not

dwerten 01-15-2010 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sashabear0430 (Post 2957106)
Yes useless to me. I was telling that person thanks for wishing the best because I posted the post about Sashas BAT test and she along with 4 other people actually stayed on topic. You guys were talking about your opinions on things and not giving me advice. I said to make your own thread because you guys were going on and on about something else. I was not being rude. One person didn't even know I posted sashas results because of alll the other posts about some other stuff. Yes I'm stressed because I'm 17 and don't have a job because no one is hiring. Please don't ask why my parents can't pay for it. They are not made of money. So thanks to eevryone who wished me luck and gave me advice. That includes dwerten.
In this thread someone posted that dr centers does the consult for free so I would give that a shot and fax her the results and talk to her and get her advice for sure if it is for free just make sure when you call to ask them if it is free as you cannot afford right now to pay a phone consult fee :( she is doing studies on this so she may do for free to gather more information so that would be the next step maybe you can call her today and discuss your case but make sure you have the blood work and bats with you to fax to her so she can review them before calling - here is her contact information to call

Contact: College of Veterinary Medicine: Cornell University

TLC 01-15-2010 09:39 AM
I also think you should contact Dr. Center and tell her about your baby and you and your circumstances. Maybe she can offer you some advice, or recommendations to help your baby :)

P.S. I heard on the news that the Starwoods Hotel Corporation is going to be hiring 1200 people. Maybe you should check out their careers site :)
Starwood Careers Homepage: Find and apply for hotel jobs and travel careers: www.starwood.jobs


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