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LuvMySissy 11-21-2009 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 2889158)
just picked her up from the vet; today was her last day on IV fluids and they tried to feed her; i know she was starving; she ate a bit of the dog food they said; she's doing fine but they sent her home with 4 different meds; not sure if i should use all of them.
flagyl or metronidazole, amoxil, pepcid, and carafate. should i give her all of them?
i am going to try to feed her the royal canin low fat wet food; but if she doesnt eat should i feed her the tilapia and rice; is tilapia low in fat?
i asked the vet and she said she doesnt know much about homemade food or the tilapia fat content.
White fish (talapia being one of them) has a very low fat content. I would stay away from adding rice as it is very difficult to digest and if she really has pancreatitis could just add more problems. See my post on the other thread about the meds. Again, I recommend a consult with Susan Davis. You will spend far less money in the end by getting Ally well soon and Susan will have all the information you need for providing a balanced diet specifically for Ally's needs along with recommending the right supplements for her. LIke anything, you can spend lots of $ on supplements that aren't worth anything. Supplements are NOT made alike, just like vitamins. You need to know the difference between a quality supplement that will actually help her versus a crappy supplement you are paying money for that she is just going to immediately eliminate out of her body.

ally173 11-23-2009 01:51 PM
I am starting to think about low fat canned food to switch to after the rx food she's eating right now. i dont think she will be on the rx food for a long time so i have to start thinking about finding a low fat wet diet. i dont want to switch to kibble because she doesnt drink water and will get herself dehydrated. homecooking is in the back of my head right now but i'd rather not; first becasue i am scared that it won't be balanced enought for her; and second it's time consuming; thanks for any input regarding this pancreatitis subject. this is new to me; she was suffering with gastritis for a long time; and now this problem; i feel so helpless and i cant afford another episode. thanks much all of you for your time and advice.

addevo 11-24-2009 12:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2888025)
I used to be particular about it (steam them or whatever), but now I just boil them.:rolleyes: To be a balanced diet, oil has to be added. I use olive or canola. This makes the recipe higher in fat. So each dog really should have a recipe made to fit them. We use Balance IT K. Nope, none of those ingredients are high in fat. It is just from the oil that I have to add.
My dog was diagnosed with pancreatitis 5 years ago. At that time, the vet recommended a diet of chicken and rice, which we've been home cooking for her ever since. The vet also recommended adding oil since the chicken and rice is low in fat. But I don't get it, if the key to managing pancreatitis is a low fat diet, why turn around and add oil to the food?

marcerella02 11-24-2009 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by addevo (Post 2892686)
My dog was diagnosed with pancreatitis 5 years ago. At that time, the vet recommended a diet of chicken and rice, which we've been home cooking for her ever since. The vet also recommended adding oil since the chicken and rice is low in fat. But I don't get it, if the key to managing pancreatitis is a low fat diet, why turn around and add oil to the food?
Ideally, you want to bring the oils back in as dogs needs omegas. But you want to do this gradually. Also, vets don't know a whole lot about nutrition. If you are home cooking and doing this based on a diet formulated for your dog by a nutritionist- the supplements you are using might have some omegas in them. If not, you should probably ask a nutritionist what the best way is to bring oils back in.

addevo 11-24-2009 12:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 2891632)
I am starting to think about low fat canned food to switch to after the rx food she's eating right now. i dont think she will be on the rx food for a long time so i have to start thinking about finding a low fat wet diet. i dont want to switch to kibble because she doesnt drink water and will get herself dehydrated. homecooking is in the back of my head right now but i'd rather not; first becasue i am scared that it won't be balanced enought for her; and second it's time consuming; thanks for any input regarding this pancreatitis subject. this is new to me; she was suffering with gastritis for a long time; and now this problem; i feel so helpless and i cant afford another episode. thanks much all of you for your time and advice.
Would your dog eat the kibble if you soak it in water first? I've had good luck with my cats by putting kibble in a microwave safe bowl, covering it with about twice it's volume of water and microwaving for 30 seconds. Let stand for 5 minutes until the water is absorbed, then mash so that it resembles canned food and serve. They love it and it gets them to consume the extra water that they need.

ally173 11-24-2009 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by addevo (Post 2892686)
My dog was diagnosed with pancreatitis 5 years ago. At that time, the vet recommended a diet of chicken and rice, which we've been home cooking for her ever since. The vet also recommended adding oil since the chicken and rice is low in fat. But I don't get it, if the key to managing pancreatitis is a low fat diet, why turn around and add oil to the food?
which homecooking recipes and supplements are you using

Ellie May 11-24-2009 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by addevo (Post 2892686)
My dog was diagnosed with pancreatitis 5 years ago. At that time, the vet recommended a diet of chicken and rice, which we've been home cooking for her ever since. The vet also recommended adding oil since the chicken and rice is low in fat. But I don't get it, if the key to managing pancreatitis is a low fat diet, why turn around and add oil to the food?
Dogs need fatty acids like linoleic. They do need some form of fat in their diet. The recipe also needs to be balanced by a nutritionist. Chicken and rice with no vitamins or minerals wouldn't be balanced and could lead to heart and blood problems over time (just from one ratio...cal/phos. being off).

ally173 11-24-2009 01:22 PM
found this website Low-Fat Diets ; it states the fat% of food; just go to figure out what's best
the royal canin low fat rx diet that she's on right now; has the lowest fat%
but not the greatest ingredients.
can you please believe that it has pork by products and it's still low in fat; i couldnt believe this???

ally173 11-24-2009 01:33 PM
Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul Senior Dog Formula looks pretty good; what do you think?

Guaranteed Analysis

Crude Protein
7.5%
Minimum
Crude Fat
3.5%
Minimum
Crude Fiber
1.0%
Maximum
Moisture
78.0%
Maximum

Calorie Content: 981 kcal/kg (362 kcal/can) Calculated Metabolizable Energy.
Ingredients
Chicken, chicken broth, turkey, salmon, chicken liver, duck, whole grain brown rice, white rice, oatmeal, carrots, peas, potatoes, barley, egg product, guar gum, flaxseed meal, kelp, apples, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, dried chicory root, carrageenan gum, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, ascorbic acid, niacin supplement, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, vitamin B 12 supplement, biotin, folic acid, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, calcium iodate and sodium selenite.


thanks

Ellie May 11-24-2009 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 2892732)
Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul Senior Dog Formula looks pretty good; what do you think?

Guaranteed Analysis

Crude Protein
7.5%
Minimum
Crude Fat
3.5%
Minimum
Crude Fiber
1.0%
Maximum
Moisture
78.0%
Maximum

Calorie Content: 981 kcal/kg (362 kcal/can) Calculated Metabolizable Energy.
Ingredients
Chicken, chicken broth, turkey, salmon, chicken liver, duck, whole grain brown rice, white rice, oatmeal, carrots, peas, potatoes, barley, egg product, guar gum, flaxseed meal, kelp, apples, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, dried chicory root, carrageenan gum, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, ascorbic acid, niacin supplement, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, vitamin B 12 supplement, biotin, folic acid, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, calcium iodate and sodium selenite.


thanks
When looking at canned foods, they have to be converted to a dry matter basis (remove the moisture mathematically) to figure out actual fat content. This food is about 16% fat.

marcerella02 11-24-2009 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2892739)
When looking at canned foods, they have to be converted to a dry matter basis (remove the moisture mathematically) to figure out actual fat content. This food is about 16% fat.
yay Crystal :) You always have the answers!!

sidenote- I had the "misleading" on the side of dog food= how are people supposed to know that?

ally173 11-24-2009 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2892739)
When looking at canned foods, they have to be converted to a dry matter basis (remove the moisture mathematically) to figure out actual fat content. This food is about 16% fat.

really i didnt know that;
the rx food she's on now has 1.5% or 7% by calculation; so it's much less
she was on the honest kitchen dehydrated food which was 14.5%
where can i find food that has 7% or less after calculation? :confused:
Brand
Type
kcal/kg
Percent Fat
Grams fat / 1000 kcal (GFK)
Percent Protein
Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Digestive Low Fat LF
presc. can
1148
1.5-2.0% (6.8-6.9%)
13-17
8% (32%)

ally173 11-24-2009 01:51 PM
here's a list of the low fat; but my problem with dry is ava doesnt drink water and she gets dehydrated all the time
how about the honest kitchen verve; would the ingredients be good for pancreatitis; it has 8% fat
Brand
Type
kcal/kg
Percent Fat
Grams fat / 1000 kcal (GFK)
Percent Protein
Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover’s Soul Senior Dog Formula
can
981
3.5% (15.9%)
36
7.5% (34%)
Newman’s Own Canned Liver Formula
can
1520
2.5% (14.7%)
16
11 (65%)
Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Digestive Low Fat LF
presc. can
1148
1.5-2.0% (6.8-6.9%)
13-17
8% (32%)
The Honest Kitchen Verve
dehyd.
3880
8.0%
21
21%
Artemis Weight Management
dry
3293
6.0%
18
20%
Blue Buffalo Weight Control Chicken & Brown Rice Recipe
dry
3100
6.0%
19
20%
Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover’s Soul Adult Light
dry
3088
6.0%
19
20%
Solid Gold Holistique Blendz
dry
3593
6%
17
18%

ally173 11-26-2009 05:27 AM
she's vomiting again; should i cut food and water
 
i took her to the vet yesterday because she didnt want to eat; she examined her and saw nothing wrong; and then fed her there by a syringe; she said she's just doesnt like the food and gave her a b complex shot.
then around 8pm i fed her dinner; RC wet and dry rx food; she liked it and ate it.
then around 5am she vomited bile; then again 1 hr later vomited bile with clots of blood; also her stomach was making lots of gurguling noise.
the vet is closed and i cant afford ER right now; at least 1000 dollars;
so i gave her pepcid, sucrafate and reglan; now she's stable; not vomiting anymore and no stomach noise.
i want to know should i hold food for the whole day until i get her to the vet tomorrow;
can i at least give her water so she doesnt get dehydrated or hold that too; i dont want her to start vomiting again.
thanks and happy thanksgiving.

Monday 03-10-2010 07:46 PM
Honest Kitchen ... highly recommended
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 2888060)
sorry to ask so many questions; how many times daily do you feed her; around what times; and does she ever vomits from empty stomach

Use low fat vanilla yogurt (try the new PROBIOTIC ones) it will help stop the empty tummy vomiting.

I use THK FORCE for Monday who had pancreatitis 2 years ago and I thank Jodie (LuvMySissy) for the advice. :love:

In fact, I worship the ground she walks on b/c she helped me so much at that dreary time.

best price on line
The Honest Kitchen Force

SAVE 13% off all store items. ENTER Coupon DFC13 at CHECKOUT!

I get 4- 10 lb boxes at one time to save on shipping.


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