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which food is best for pancreatitis Other than RX hills, royal canin or Purina ; which good human grade food is best for pancreatitis; that is low in protein and fat ava got really sick yesterday and i had to take her to the hospital; she was vomiting a lot and some blood in the vomit; they did blood test and her amylase enzymes was high; her white blood cell counts was low and i believe her platelets was low too; i don’t have the papers with me; i will get them today when i pick her up from the hospital. she was diagnosed with pancreatitis because of the amylase high levels. so now i don’t know if she has both gastritis and pancreatitis. anyway i spoke to the vet today; ava is on IV fluids and they will prescribe prescription diet for pancreatitis; i am assuming royal canin which can have meal and by products so i am not sure what to do; i had ava on the honest kitchen which is a pretty good food; but sometimes when she doesn’t eat breakfast i give her baby food; and maybe that's what triggered the pancreatitis. so what should i do about the RX diet royal canin; what if she doesn’t eat it; she's very picky eater. any suggestions? should i put her on royal canin for a while and then switch her back to the honest kitchen; or should i give her chicken and rice for a while instead? thanks much |
I'm not sure about the protein and fat % in HK, so I have no idea if she will ever be able to go back to it. Her fat intake will have to be closely monitored for life. Innova Senior or something from the Natural Balance line may work; however, they aren't specifically formulated for this problem and they may not work as well as an rx food. Food that is made for pancreatitis usually contains medium chain triglycerides (MCT) which are better for these dogs. So I would really hesitate to tell you to just go get any low fat food. That said, the rx foods don't always work well either. Another option (which I am not really recommending, but if you have the time and energy...) is to homecook. You could get a recipe from a veterinary nutritionist for this. |
thanks for the info THK chicken formula had 21% protein and 14% fat (min) however THK has a beef formula that is 21% protein and 7.5% fat (min) however i am not sure about the ingredients: Verve Organic rolled rye, USDA beef, organic flaxseed, organic rolled oats, carrots, alfalfa, potatoes, eggs, spinach, apples, cranberries, chicory, parsley, rosemary, vitamins and minerals. i don't have much time to homecook; and i really wouldn't know if this will be sufficient for her. i read the ingredients in the RX diets; and they contain corn, chicken meals, soy.... i really dont think tha'ts healthy. i am so frustrated and don't know what to do. this is her third episode within the 2 years and i can't afford to keep taking her to the hospital. i feel helpless adn don't know what to do. please anyone any suggestions any help? thanks |
I think some people have used one of the HK formulas for this with success, but maybe it wasn't pancreatitis. Hmmm. But as a general recommendations, if you don't want to homecook, I would have to say that an rx diet would be best. I'm sure many people will disagree with me, but pancreatitis can be fatal. I don't like Purina, but the HA's ingredients aren't that bad. I think I ran across another one that didn't look bad (RC maybe), but it probably contains corn. And actually that is fine, but I know some are really against it. |
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i just don't feel comfortable feed this to my baby; but what choice do i really have? i am picking her up from the hospital today and don't know what to feed her????? here are sone of the ingredients for hills R/D Ground Whole Grain Corn, Corn Gluten Meal, Chicken By-Product Meal, Powdered Cellulose, Soybean Meal, Soybean Mill Run, Chicken Liver Flavor, Chicken, Dried Beet Pulp, Soybean Oil here are sone of the ingredients for ROYAL CANIN DIGESTIVE LOW FAT LF Rice, chicken meal, wheat, corn gluten meal, natural flavors, dried beet pulp (sugar removed), dried brewers yeast, chicken fat, powdered cellulose |
Meal is just the meat with water removed. It is sometimes preferred over just plain chicken because if the chicken is at the top of an ingredient list, it may only be there because it was weighed with it's water making it falsely heavy. They just remove the water before weighing it to get "meal." I haven't really heard of the R/D being used for this. I think the W/D is. But if you really don't want to, then, maybe look into Natural Balance or something? |
thanks again for ur input; i wish i can get more advice form people with similar experience. i guess for now i have no choice but to use the RX diet; but my only concern is my dog won't eat this food ; she's so spoiled and picky that she probably won't go near it. i was using digestive enzymes with her food; do you think that could be a factor for increasing the amylase level what i find weird is a full blown pancreatitis will have both lipase adn amylase elevated; however she only had her amylase elavated with low WBC count; shouldnt it be high WBC count with inflamation of the pancreas? this is really freaking me out! |
Ellie has had pancreatitis before... The most reliable way to diagnose pancreatitis is with a Spec cPL or if it is seen on ultrasound. |
what is Spec cPL? and what does ellie eat right now; has she had any episodes lately? |
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Ellie eats homecooked. Between her liver, pancreas, intestines, and allergies, there isn't much of a choice. We tried HA for something, but she didn't do well with it. She has not had a pancreas problem since 01/08. |
poor thing; ava has gastritis too; that's why i am very hesistant trying new foods and switchign her back and forth what do u homecook for her? it would help me out if i can do that for now. thanks much |
Right now it's fish, sweet potato, and veggies. Her recipe is waaaay too high in fat for most dogs with pancreatitis though. She just happens to do okay with it. And then for some dogs, fat may not have triggered the problem at all and a diet change doesn't always work... |
is fish high in fat? or the sweet potato? what type of fish and veggies do you use; i am assuming you steam them? do you add any supplements? thanks |
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what type of fish do you feed; white fish i am thinking to feed that for now; white fish and rice ; adn then try to find a good dog food; i will ask the vet tonight |
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I only do it because of Ellie's intestines though; otherwise, I'd likely feed something else. Maybe chicken. |
sorry to ask so many questions; how many times daily do you feed her; around what times; and does she ever vomits from empty stomach |
She is fed 3X daily because 1) smaller meals more often is better for her liver and 2) I can't get enough calories into her in two meals. She does not vomit from an empty stomach. She does regurgitate after eating sometimes though. She has megaesophagus or esophagitis or something going on. |
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Layla also eats three (sometimes 4, sometimes 2- depends on the day- she rarely eats the amount of calories that she should a day- not a big eater) small meals throughout the day. |
ok; tell me if that sounds good i will steam the white fish; boil the sweet potatoes for this weekend then after i buy it i will add the supplement ; does that also have digestive enzymes and probiotic? will that be enough for her or do i have to add more veggies; if so what kind. i will rotate between sweet potatoes and rice. any more advice? should i buy and use the rx diet that the vet will give today; i am not sure how to tell her i dont want to feed her that? she might get upset |
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i tried searching online to see if i can buy it; but i cant do you know the website where i can buy it also is there another supplment similar you recommend thanks |
The site is balanceit.com. You would need a code from a vet to get the K, I think, since it's more of an RX product. You may be able to get Balance It L (which is questionable because it contains menadione) without a code. But it isn't going to work because since you can't add the oil, adding the supplement will throw everything off. If you want to use Balance IT L, your vet can go on their vet site and order a low fat recipe for you. But if you don't want to homecook long term, it may be better to try and find a kibble that you are comfortable with or go with your vet's recommendation. Will she eat canned food? |
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A person can't just decide they want to home cook and "cook" lol.. thats not the end of it. A dog's nutrition is VERY complex. While what you have mention is the BASIS of home cooking- you need to make sure it is balanced and that your dog is getting the proper amount of calories a day- not to mention the proper calcium/phosphorus ration. You need to speak to a nutritionist. Layla has a diet that has been balanced for her needs but that might not be YOUR dogs needs. Layla can probably handle more fat that your dog can. Is there any way you can find a quality low fat kibble until you are able to speak to a nutritionst and have a diet made especially for your dog? |
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance® Original Ultra® Reduced Calorie Formula for Dogs This variety of Natural Balance has only %6 fat- which is pretty low. |
Oh, I forgot. Balance IT does not contain any digestive enzymes or probiotics. It is only a vitamin/mineral supplement. And if you just want to homecook for a few days, you don't need to supplement. |
thanks all for ur input; i picked her u today; she seemed fine for few hrs; but now she seems lethargic. she hasn't eaten since yesterday; the vet said no food or water tonight either; she will be going back tomorrow for more iv fluids. i am afraid she will get sick tonight without any food or water. is that usually the procedure; no food or water for 36hrs? the vet says she has to be on low fat diet; something that is less than 5% fat. THK chicken and turkey are 14% min; so that's out of the question now. the vet wants to put her on royal canin digestive low fat prescription wet food for at least a week or two. i am not sure if it's a good idea to keep her on RC rx food for a long time. i dont think she will eat it anyway; she's really picky. but i have no other choice right now. thanks |
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Keep an eye on her tonight- watch her gums- if they get white- i would give her something like honey (rubbed on her gums) or yogurt or something- they say not to- but you are the one home with her and you know what she needs- i tend to ignore the no eating drinking- that might for for an 80 lb dog but our babies are small and need something in their belly keep us updated |
If she just came off of the IV and will be going back in the morning, everything should be fine. Your vet said no food or water because her pancreas has to rest and feeding her could trigger it all over again. But like Marci said, you are the one there with her. If you are concerned and don't want to feed her, you can always go to emergency. |
just picked her up from the vet; today was her last day on IV fluids and they tried to feed her; i know she was starving; she ate a bit of the dog food they said; she's doing fine but they sent her home with 4 different meds; not sure if i should use all of them. flagyl or metronidazole, amoxil, pepcid, and carafate. should i give her all of them? i am going to try to feed her the royal canin low fat wet food; but if she doesnt eat should i feed her the tilapia and rice; is tilapia low in fat? i asked the vet and she said she doesnt know much about homemade food or the tilapia fat content. |
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