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laci32 · 10-16-2009, 03:06 AM

As some of you know my little Andy I have a question about shivering ,See I live in Canada ,he is almost 6 pounds ,when he goes outside -4 this morning he shivers or say he has been asleep and we go outside temp change he shivers. I have been talking to a dog trainer (I'm not going to use her) This is what she is telling me

(your dog shivers alot because of two possible things, ONE: he has a medical problem. Most toy breeds do especially Yorkies. In other words low blood sugar. Give him some maple syrup....rub it on his gums. The shaking should stop in 10 mintues. If it does not stop take him to the vet. He may need Dextrose shots. TWO: He is afraid of everything. Dogs only shake from cold when they are going into hypothermia (coming out of water in the winter).

Any small dog that I have seen get the shivers when they get cold not Hypothermia.I was just wondering what you all thought of this

chachi · 10-16-2009, 03:14 AM

They can shake when they are cold also Ive seen mine do it

halandshawnie · 10-16-2009, 04:11 AM

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think most dogs have an "undercoat" that changes in the spring and winter (shedding) but Yorkies are single coated (that's why there're better for people with allergies).

So the single coated breeds would get cold and shake, while an Alaskan Husky could roll around in the snow for an hour and be fine.

laci32 · 10-16-2009, 04:36 AM

Thankyou for your responses .I knew there was nothing medical about it or Andys vet would have told me .I sought out the advise of this trainer just for some tips on how to get him to stop barking at the odd person or bike or here and there the odd dog when we go for walks or just being out on the front lawn .She tried to tell me my Andy had big behaviour issues ,I am to throw all his toys and treats away take his beds away .Make him stay off furniture and my bed .Also he is to work for his food .For what being a normal dog ? its not that big a deal ,Just something I wanted to work on but not punish him jeez .Well I told her to P*ss off lmao. Good thing it was via internet I might really have lost my cool

alnatmom · 10-16-2009, 05:30 AM

We live in London Ontario and we had a dusting of snow here last night - yikes! Jack is 6 months and almost 4 pounds. He will shake a little if he's outside going to the bathroom, even with a coat on. But he will also shake if he's excited about something. We throw a toy and we have him 'sit and stay' for a moment. The whole time he is waiting to run to the toy he's quivering. I think he's just bursting with energy!
And as an aside, we used to have a much larger dog before we got Jack. Our vet told us that if we were going to get a trainer, that we should look for one that specializes in small dogs since some training issues can be quite different for small and large breeds. I wonder if perhaps the trainer you consulted deals mostly with large breeds.

DaisyMom · 10-16-2009, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by laci32

Thankyou for your responses .I knew there was nothing medical about it or Andys vet would have told me .I sought out the advise of this trainer just for some tips on how to get him to stop barking at the odd person or bike or here and there the odd dog when we go for walks or just being out on the front lawn .She tried to tell me my Andy had big behaviour issues ,I am to throw all his toys and treats away take his beds away .Make him stay off furniture and my bed .Also he is to work for his food .For what being a normal dog ? its not that big a deal ,Just something I wanted to work on but not punish him jeez .Well I told her to P*ss off lmao. Good thing it was via internet I might really have lost my cool

I'm sad that this trainer doesn't seem to understand the effectiveness of reward based learning; like a Yorkie will really know why you have taken away all of it's toys? Not! And I like having my puppy on the sofa with me, don't you? I do believe that my Daisy should have to work for treats, as this not only teaches her a new skill but reinforces her place in our 'pack,' but working for food? Gosh.

It sounds like you have really good judgement and that you know your dog well!

laci32 · 10-16-2009, 06:04 AM

Laughs I think she's been watching to much of that show at the end of my leash .Man he is brutal .
Yes I love my little boy and nothing will cause him harm they have to get through me .I was just shocked at the harshness of what she required .
Yes maybe she is only looking at it from a big dog standard ,but still no toys ,no treats ,no bed yes I forgot that one she said he has to earn his bed and then only for sleep .I'm just shocked

BonBon · 10-16-2009, 06:11 AM

I'm glad to hear that you're not going to be using this person.

My babies definitely aren't hypoglycemic but they do shiver when they're cold.

Cerise · 10-16-2009, 06:17 AM

Wow, that trainer sounds like an idiot who thinks all breeds are the same. But no matter what the breed is, that type of discipline is harsh and the comments about him having bad behavior issues because he barked at people going by is unnecessary. He might just be telling them hello...LOL And about the -4 weather, he's a Yorkie not a Husky and if a Yorkie was left outside for too long they'd freeze to death, just like a human child. That baby is cold and so is Canada...LOL! I'd put a comfy warm sweater on him.

Nancy1999 · 10-16-2009, 07:12 AM

Joey also gets cold easily, and will shiver if he's even slightly chilled. Some of the things your trainer suggested aren't so bad, I think this is based on tough love type of training, and she must have gotten the impression your dog was displaying many bad traits. You basically take away all things, and make your dog realize everything good comes from you. I've read of using this technique with teenagers, who are displaying really dangerous behaviors such as skipping school or drug taking, and it can be effective, but I didn't know it was useful for dogs. Dogs don't really understand why their beds are taken away.

I do a lot of "trick" training with Joey, and he does get most of his food by performing, and I actually think this is very good for him, and it seems to give him confidence. Remember, many dogs bark because they are scared. At the very least, I think you should make a dog sit and stay before you give him a meal. Concerning your problem with walks, Joey did the same thing, and I found a couple of things that helped. One is redirection, turning his attention away from the source of anxiety, and also watching out for what could be a problem, and walking in a fast pace way past the problem. When you are doing a purposeful walk, they tend to really get involved in the actual walk, and bikers and other dogs don't get their attention, as easily, on the other hand if you are taking a "stroll" they will notice every little thing. So as we are walking, I'll notice a biker and continue to walk fast, if Joey gets too agitated, I will say UH-UH, and continue to walk in a fast pace, if he continues, I will do a turn-about so that he can't see the object, and continue this until the biker/dog is out of site, and his episodes of agitation are now quite short.

bj1 · 10-16-2009, 07:20 AM

Mine also shake when they are cold. That's the only time they do shake is when they are cold. I am glad you are not going to use that trainer also. Boy, I can't believe her recommendations! Geezzzz

littlewhip · 10-16-2009, 07:23 AM

I have a little guy who shakes in the morning, Its getting cold here already so ive been putting sweaters on him

It helps

laci32 · 10-16-2009, 07:47 AM

Andy knows basic commands sit,stay,heal at crosswalks etc.He waits till his food is set down and waits for me to say ok .I just find what she says and wanted me to do was to harsh ,I want to teach him things not punish him .It was just a minor thing that I has inquired about with her get some tips .Then she starts on this shiver thing and I lost my cool . So she didnt get my business .

Andy has sweaters,hoodies,winter coat ,rain coat and boots ,he stands till I am finished getting him ready overall he is a good little boy

RoxyLuv · 10-16-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by laci32

Laughs I think she's been watching to much of that show at the end of my leash .Man he is brutal .
Yes I love my little boy and nothing will cause him harm they have to get through me .I was just shocked at the harshness of what she required .
Yes maybe she is only looking at it from a big dog standard ,but still no toys ,no treats ,no bed yes I forgot that one she said he has to earn his bed and then only for sleep .I'm just shocked

She sound exactly like that Brad person on AP. He trained just like that for any size dog as I remember. What an idiot!

Sure glad he's not on anymore!

deeogie · 10-16-2009, 05:45 PM

Hi All YT'ers.....
My Lucky shivers and I live in Brampton ON......Even when he wears his coat! He also shivers just when he gets out of the bath....so yeah, I think they shiver when they are chilly!!
P.S. I love this site!! Is it possible to set it as a homepage??!! lol

Lucky's Mommy

10-16-2009, 03:06 AM	#1
laci32 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 901	question about shivering As some of you know my little Andy I have a question about shivering ,See I live in Canada ,he is almost 6 pounds ,when he goes outside -4 this morning he shivers or say he has been asleep and we go outside temp change he shivers. I have been talking to a dog trainer (I'm not going to use her) This is what she is telling me (your dog shivers alot because of two possible things, ONE: he has a medical problem. Most toy breeds do especially Yorkies. In other words low blood sugar. Give him some maple syrup....rub it on his gums. The shaking should stop in 10 mintues. If it does not stop take him to the vet. He may need Dextrose shots. TWO: He is afraid of everything. Dogs only shake from cold when they are going into hypothermia (coming out of water in the winter). Any small dog that I have seen get the shivers when they get cold not Hypothermia.I was just wondering what you all thought of this __________________ Baby Andy

10-16-2009, 03:14 AM	#2
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	They can shake when they are cold also Ive seen mine do it __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

10-16-2009, 04:11 AM	#3
halandshawnie Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sterling Hgts, MI Posts: 144	Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think most dogs have an "undercoat" that changes in the spring and winter (shedding) but Yorkies are single coated (that's why there're better for people with allergies). So the single coated breeds would get cold and shake, while an Alaskan Husky could roll around in the snow for an hour and be fine. __________________ Shawnie New Mommy to Bella Boo Proud member of the CrAzYcLuB

10-16-2009, 04:36 AM	#4
laci32 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 901	Thankyou for your responses .I knew there was nothing medical about it or Andys vet would have told me .I sought out the advise of this trainer just for some tips on how to get him to stop barking at the odd person or bike or here and there the odd dog when we go for walks or just being out on the front lawn .She tried to tell me my Andy had big behaviour issues ,I am to throw all his toys and treats away take his beds away .Make him stay off furniture and my bed .Also he is to work for his food .For what being a normal dog ? its not that big a deal ,Just something I wanted to work on but not punish him jeez .Well I told her to Pss off lmao. Good thing it was via internet I might really have lost my cool __________________ Baby Andy*

10-16-2009, 06:04 AM	#7
laci32 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 901	Laughs I think she's been watching to much of that show at the end of my leash .Man he is brutal . Yes I love my little boy and nothing will cause him harm they have to get through me .I was just shocked at the harshness of what she required . Yes maybe she is only looking at it from a big dog standard ,but still no toys ,no treats ,no bed yes I forgot that one she said he has to earn his bed and then only for sleep .I'm just shocked __________________ Baby Andy

10-16-2009, 05:30 AM	#5
alnatmom Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 18	We live in London Ontario and we had a dusting of snow here last night - yikes! Jack is 6 months and almost 4 pounds. He will shake a little if he's outside going to the bathroom, even with a coat on. But he will also shake if he's excited about something. We throw a toy and we have him 'sit and stay' for a moment. The whole time he is waiting to run to the toy he's quivering. I think he's just bursting with energy! And as an aside, we used to have a much larger dog before we got Jack. Our vet told us that if we were going to get a trainer, that we should look for one that specializes in small dogs since some training issues can be quite different for small and large breeds. I wonder if perhaps the trainer you consulted deals mostly with large breeds.

10-16-2009, 06:11 AM	#8
BonBon Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: With my yorkies Posts: 10,350	I'm glad to hear that you're not going to be using this person. My babies definitely aren't hypoglycemic but they do shiver when they're cold. __________________ He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion. -- Author Unknown

10-16-2009, 06:17 AM	#9
Cerise Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,601	Wow, that trainer sounds like an idiot who thinks all breeds are the same. But no matter what the breed is, that type of discipline is harsh and the comments about him having bad behavior issues because he barked at people going by is unnecessary. He might just be telling them hello...LOL And about the -4 weather, he's a Yorkie not a Husky and if a Yorkie was left outside for too long they'd freeze to death, just like a human child. That baby is cold and so is Canada...LOL! I'd put a comfy warm sweater on him.

10-16-2009, 07:12 AM	#10
Nancy1999 I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 25,396 Blog Entries: 2	Joey also gets cold easily, and will shiver if he's even slightly chilled. Some of the things your trainer suggested aren't so bad, I think this is based on tough love type of training, and she must have gotten the impression your dog was displaying many bad traits. You basically take away all things, and make your dog realize everything good comes from you. I've read of using this technique with teenagers, who are displaying really dangerous behaviors such as skipping school or drug taking, and it can be effective, but I didn't know it was useful for dogs. Dogs don't really understand why their beds are taken away. I do a lot of "trick" training with Joey, and he does get most of his food by performing, and I actually think this is very good for him, and it seems to give him confidence. Remember, many dogs bark because they are scared. At the very least, I think you should make a dog sit and stay before you give him a meal. Concerning your problem with walks, Joey did the same thing, and I found a couple of things that helped. One is redirection, turning his attention away from the source of anxiety, and also watching out for what could be a problem, and walking in a fast pace way past the problem. When you are doing a purposeful walk, they tend to really get involved in the actual walk, and bikers and other dogs don't get their attention, as easily, on the other hand if you are taking a "stroll" they will notice every little thing. So as we are walking, I'll notice a biker and continue to walk fast, if Joey gets too agitated, I will say UH-UH, and continue to walk in a fast pace, if he continues, I will do a turn-about so that he can't see the object, and continue this until the biker/dog is out of site, and his episodes of agitation are now quite short. __________________ NancyJoey Proud members of the CrAzYcLuB and YAP! ** Just Say No to Puppymills – Join YAP! Yorkshire Terrier Club of America – Breeder Referrals

10-16-2009, 07:20 AM	#11
bj1 Owned By BJ and Lil Ann Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 990	Mine also shake when they are cold. That's the only time they do shake is when they are cold. I am glad you are not going to use that trainer also. Boy, I can't believe her recommendations! Geezzzz

10-16-2009, 07:23 AM	#12
littlewhip Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: wiith my furbabys Posts: 8,874	I have a little guy who shakes in the morning, Its getting cold here already so ive been putting sweaters on him It helps __________________

10-16-2009, 07:47 AM	#13
laci32 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 901	Andy knows basic commands sit,stay,heal at crosswalks etc.He waits till his food is set down and waits for me to say ok .I just find what she says and wanted me to do was to harsh ,I want to teach him things not punish him .It was just a minor thing that I has inquired about with her get some tips .Then she starts on this shiver thing and I lost my cool . So she didnt get my business . Andy has sweaters,hoodies,winter coat ,rain coat and boots ,he stands till I am finished getting him ready overall he is a good little boy __________________ Baby Andy

10-16-2009, 05:45 PM	#15
deeogie YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Brampton Posts: 408	Hi All YT'ers..... My Lucky shivers and I live in Brampton ON......Even when he wears his coat! He also shivers just when he gets out of the bath....so yeah, I think they shiver when they are chilly!! P.S. I love this site!! Is it possible to set it as a homepage??!! lol Lucky's Mommy