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lil fu fu girl · 10-16-2009, 07:39 PM

I am just glad that you realize that this trainer is not all there. Yes training is an important part of having any pet. However, I do not believe in the whole taking all the toys, snacks, and food away. No animal should be afraid that it will not receive food because of a mishap. I spend a lot of time with mine so that they understand what is expected behavior and what is not acceptable. I do not believe in breaking their spirit, so that they are just a robot without their own unique personality. Just consistency in training is all it takes to keep them aware of correct behavior. Best of luck

DogTrainer · 10-17-2009, 12:18 PM

I am a certified dog behavioralist and trainer. I have been for 10 years and have trained over 400 dogs. I am very sorry that Andy's owner is completely uneducated and is giving you missinformation. Maybe if she told the entire story I would not be here.

First off Andy's owner did not ask me why Andy shivers OUTSIDE...she said:

"Dang he is so little he shivers alot the couch and bed has been his place for warmth .I never thought I was being his equal by allowing this ."
My main two answers since her dog is unsocialized (which she admits) was that Andy shakes due to fear (anxiety, nervousness, stress etc) or a medical problem.

Second in response to lil fu fu girl...I NEVER told Andy's owner to not feed her dog. That's a little retarded that you would even consider that is what I meant. lil fu fu girl...your dog probably has no aggression, so I really don't thing you have a clue how to resocialize an unsocialized dog.

It is sad and very unfortunate that most of you people have very very little understanding of your Yorkie's. Maybe doing your own research on the breed will help you stop communicating Wrong information. It is absolutely "tough love" all things come from the master as long as the dog earns them....if your kid screamed at every other kid at the play ground in order to get the other kids to play...what would you do? You can not correct a little dog like you would correct a large dog. Chokers etc can seriously harm a small dog. All small dog training is done through treats.

Lastly the NO treat rule was only until I arrived to guide this woman. To resocialize a dog you ONLY give treats when the dog is in contact with the thing of anxiety.

DogTrainer · 10-17-2009, 12:26 PM

Giving a dog treats while trick training IS MAKING THE DOG WORK FOR FOOD!!!!

Nancy1999 · 10-17-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DogTrainer

Giving a dog treats while trick training IS MAKING THE DOG WORK FOR FOOD!!!!

Yes I know, and I see nothing wrong with it. I have to work for my food too.

DogTrainer · 10-17-2009, 12:36 PM

Then why do you think that dogs should not work for food?

Nancy1999 · 10-17-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DogTrainer

Then why do you think that dogs should not work for food?

When did I say that? I said, "Dogs don't really understand why their beds are taken away." The OP said that her trainer suggested that the beds be taken away.

DaisyMom · 10-17-2009, 12:52 PM

Ok, so here's my problem. I learn a lot from the lively debates on YT and respect everyones right to have a different opinion. I understand how the trainer might feel she is being misrepresented and that this is upsetting. What I object to is when a person posts in a way that is full of inflammatory language. For example, calling people 'completely uneducated' or referring to their behavior as 'a little retarded;' using the terms 'you people' and saying someone doesn't 'have a clue' is just unnecessary. Please, everyone, just play nice.

littlewhip · 10-17-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

When did I say that? I said, "Dogs don't really understand why their beds are taken away." The OP said that her trainer suggested that the beds be taken away.

I dont understand that either

whats that going to help.....I would NEVER take my kids beds away

Nancy1999 · 10-17-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by littlewhip

I dont understand that either

whats that going to help.....I would NEVER take my kids beds away

Lol, I wasn't sure if you mean your furkids, or skinkids, but it is suggested as part of tough love for parents of teenagers who will not follow the rules. I'm talking about serious rule breaking, and drugs are usually involved. Everything is taken away, but the bare necessities, mattress on floor, blanket, a few clothes for school, and they have to "earn" everything back by following the rules. My point is that while effective on some wild teenagers, I don't think it will work on dogs. I do believe in the concept, "nothing in life is free," and there are many dog trainers who use this method. I don't train Joey because he has bad behavior though, I train Joey because I think he really enjoys it, he seems so proud of himself and so happy during training sessions, and I don't think it's all about the food, I think he really is pleased with himself when he learns something and gets a trick right.

DogTrainer · 10-17-2009, 02:19 PM

On the beds comment...Do you let your kids sleep in your bed? Dogs are not human.

DogTrainer · 10-17-2009, 02:23 PM

Most people believe what they want to believe no matter what professionals say. Again none of you know Andy's owner and what problems she came to me with.

Nancy1999 · 10-17-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DogTrainer

On the beds comment...Do you let your kids sleep in your bed? Dogs are not human.

Actually no, I didn't allow the kids to sleep in our bed, so it has nothing to do with the human factor. I do not believe in the rule, "One size fits all". Most people here have dogs that sleep with them and it causes no problems, so just throwing out the rule that dogs shouldn't sleep with humans makes little sense to me. I do understand that if you are experiencing certain problems with aggression that sleeping with the humans might not be in the best interest of the dog.

Don't feel too bad, we understand a little more than you think. Often there is a communication problem between professionals and their clients, the OP was venting a little and clearly unhappy, we were trying to be supportive, and I even tried to explain that I agreed with some of your methods. Stick around we are not a bad lot, and willing to listen, but don't get angry and call us names just because we are not willing to do everything you suggest. My own personal bit of advice is that we can learn from lots of different training styles, but we should never do anything that we are personally uncomfortable with.

laci32 · 10-17-2009, 06:21 PM

To The Dog Trainer - Please do not come on this site to bring your drama .I suggested you come look at the answers just so you could see that Andy is not the only one that shivers in certain situations ,That it had nothing to do with a medical problem .You asked me alot of questions and I answered them to the best of my ability .I ended by saying I did not like your methods of training and thats my right to like or not like it .I tried explaining he is not a Bad dog .Just sometimes he he barks at strange dogs ,Bikes .Once and awhile people .You went on this array of things I needed to do and I disagreed .I dont want to punish him .I dont want to take everything away from hinm for this ONE small thing he is learning on .I looked for ideas advise and lo and behold I got it here amoungst fellow yorkie owners .And your wrong as Andy's owner they have seen me posting over the months and have come to know him in some small degree.Yet you take my invite to maybe YOU learning something and come in here abuse me with your insults and language in a place I love to come to .I'm intitled to like or dislike and not take you on as a trainer if I choose to go another route.Your showing a lack of professionalism

laci32 · 10-17-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by laci32

To The Dog Trainer - Please do not come on this site to bring your drama .I suggested you come look at the answers just so you could see that Andy is not the only one that shivers in certain situations ,That it had nothing to do with a medical problem .You asked me alot of questions and I answered them to the best of my ability .I ended by saying I did not like your methods of training and thats my right to like or not like it .I tried explaining he is not a Bad dog .Just sometimes he he barks at strange dogs ,Bikes .Once and awhile people .You went on this array of things I needed to do and I disagreed .I dont want to punish him .I dont want to take everything away from hinm for this ONE small thing he is learning on .I looked for ideas advise and lo and behold I got it here amoungst fellow yorkie owners .And your wrong as Andy's owner they have seen me posting over the months and have come to know him in some small degree.Yet you take my invite to maybe YOU learning something and come in here abuse me with your insults and language in a place I love to come to .I'm intitled to like or dislike and not take you on as a trainer if I choose to go another route.Your showing a lack of professionalism

I never said he shivers on the couch and bed .I have the e-mails

DogTrainer · 10-18-2009, 10:40 AM

That's fine. I hope you find a trainer who entertains your dillusional state. I also have the emails.

10-17-2009, 12:18 PM	#17
DogTrainer BANNED! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6	Wrong I am a certified dog behavioralist and trainer. I have been for 10 years and have trained over 400 dogs. I am very sorry that Andy's owner is completely uneducated and is giving you missinformation. Maybe if she told the entire story I would not be here. First off Andy's owner did not ask me why Andy shivers OUTSIDE...she said: "Dang he is so little he shivers alot the couch and bed has been his place for warmth .I never thought I was being his equal by allowing this ." My main two answers since her dog is unsocialized (which she admits) was that Andy shakes due to fear (anxiety, nervousness, stress etc) or a medical problem. Second in response to lil fu fu girl...I NEVER told Andy's owner to not feed her dog. That's a little retarded that you would even consider that is what I meant. lil fu fu girl...your dog probably has no aggression, so I really don't thing you have a clue how to resocialize an unsocialized dog. It is sad and very unfortunate that most of you people have very very little understanding of your Yorkie's. Maybe doing your own research on the breed will help you stop communicating Wrong information. It is absolutely "tough love" all things come from the master as long as the dog earns them....if your kid screamed at every other kid at the play ground in order to get the other kids to play...what would you do? You can not correct a little dog like you would correct a large dog. Chokers etc can seriously harm a small dog. All small dog training is done through treats. Lastly the NO treat rule was only until I arrived to guide this woman. To resocialize a dog you ONLY give treats when the dog is in contact with the thing of anxiety.

10-17-2009, 12:52 PM	#22
DaisyMom Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Kansas City Posts: 273	Ok, so here's my problem. I learn a lot from the lively debates on YT and respect everyones right to have a different opinion. I understand how the trainer might feel she is being misrepresented and that this is upsetting. What I object to is when a person posts in a way that is full of inflammatory language. For example, calling people 'completely uneducated' or referring to their behavior as 'a little retarded;' using the terms 'you people' and saying someone doesn't 'have a clue' is just unnecessary. Please, everyone, just play nice. __________________ Heather & Daisy

10-17-2009, 06:21 PM	#28
laci32 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 901	To The Dog Trainer - Please do not come on this site to bring your drama .I suggested you come look at the answers just so you could see that Andy is not the only one that shivers in certain situations ,That it had nothing to do with a medical problem .You asked me alot of questions and I answered them to the best of my ability .I ended by saying I did not like your methods of training and thats my right to like or not like it .I tried explaining he is not a Bad dog .Just sometimes he he barks at strange dogs ,Bikes .Once and awhile people .You went on this array of things I needed to do and I disagreed .I dont want to punish him .I dont want to take everything away from hinm for this ONE small thing he is learning on .I looked for ideas advise and lo and behold I got it here amoungst fellow yorkie owners .And your wrong as Andy's owner they have seen me posting over the months and have come to know him in some small degree.Yet you take my invite to maybe YOU learning something and come in here abuse me with your insults and language in a place I love to come to .I'm intitled to like or dislike and not take you on as a trainer if I choose to go another route.Your showing a lack of professionalism __________________ Baby Andy Last edited by laci32; 10-17-2009 at 06:22 PM. Reason: made a mistake

10-16-2009, 07:39 PM	#16
lil fu fu girl No Longer a Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,410	I am just glad that you realize that this trainer is not all there. Yes training is an important part of having any pet. However, I do not believe in the whole taking all the toys, snacks, and food away. No animal should be afraid that it will not receive food because of a mishap. I spend a lot of time with mine so that they understand what is expected behavior and what is not acceptable. I do not believe in breaking their spirit, so that they are just a robot without their own unique personality. Just consistency in training is all it takes to keep them aware of correct behavior. Best of luck

10-17-2009, 12:26 PM	#18
DogTrainer BANNED! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6	Giving a dog treats while trick training IS MAKING THE DOG WORK FOR FOOD!!!!

10-17-2009, 12:36 PM	#20
DogTrainer BANNED! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6	Then why do you think that dogs should not work for food?

10-17-2009, 02:19 PM	#25
DogTrainer BANNED! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6	On the beds comment...Do you let your kids sleep in your bed? Dogs are not human.

10-17-2009, 02:23 PM	#26
DogTrainer BANNED! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6	Most people believe what they want to believe no matter what professionals say. Again none of you know Andy's owner and what problems she came to me with.

10-18-2009, 10:40 AM	#30
DogTrainer BANNED! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6	That's fine. I hope you find a trainer who entertains your dillusional state. I also have the emails.