EVO Small Bites

[TresCutePiggies]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

If they're doing well on it, then there is really no reason to change.
I still would not recommend feeding either EVO canned or Innova canned though. They are both around 35 or so percent fat. Most dogs will do fine with it. Some probably won't. Most dogs who eat kibble have about 10-25% fat...

Thanks, I will stop the Innova canned then. Is there any canned food you would recommend to mix in a bit with the kibble?

[TresCutePiggies]

Originally Posted by viviansnickers

TresCuties---have your noticed a weight gain since your Gilmore's have been on it?? I know it is higher in fat and I wanted Snickers to gain some weight, he looks so scrawny. He is also on raw and has gained .4 ounces in about 3.5 months and I happy with it. I only give the EVO kibble, no canned. Maybe eliminate the canned?? I think Ellie May was referring to the canned as the higher fat one. I think the kibb;e might be slightly higher in fat too but not by much. I could be wrong.

You noticed they were Gilmores! A lot of people tell me Rory is a boy's name.

Yes, I think I'm going to have to pick a different canned version that isn't so high in fat. Thanks!

Rory is going to be two in August, and other than the obvious weight gain as she matured I haven't noticed any. Lane was a rescue (from a puppy mill = crappy food and fighting just to eat with her cage mates, heh) and was very, very thin when we got her just before Christmas 2008. I couldn't tell you exactly how much weight she has put on over the past four months, but she looks much better now (I'd guess at least a pound).

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by TresCutePiggies

Thanks, I will stop the Innova canned then. Is there any canned food you would recommend to mix in a bit with the kibble?

Not really.
It is either made at Menu or the company is questionable.
Just go with a company you like.

Ellie likes sweet potato mixed with her kibble.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by viviansnickers

...1st off, how old is Coco?? If she is less than 6-7 months, I would wait until then to feed the Evo. Evo is an all life stages food, but I waited till Snickers was an "adult" to start feeding him it. They say puppies can grow too quickly if fed a high protein food at such a young age. .

Most puppy food is high protein food. That is usually the difference. I feed dry Canidae All Life Stages (24% protein) to all of my adult dogs and once a day give a little Canidae All Life Stages canned food to my puppies, not enough that they will quit eating the kibble, more as a treat and variety. They have a constant supply of Royal Canin Babydog 30 (30% protein) which I love because of the soft, small triangular bites. Since they just made the 8 week mark this weekend and all have some teeth, I bought a bag of Royal Canin Mini-puppy 33 (33% protein) yesterday to start the switch. I had previously avoided grain, but after seeing some respected breeders recommending this, I use the Royal Canin just for puppies. It is just a lot easier shape and size for them to deal with than the Canidae. I still use the Canidae All Life Stages Dry for the adults.

After looking up Evo Small Bites and seeing the 43.16% protein in their Nutrient Analysis I have to wonder if that is not too high in protein for any of our Yorkies, regardless of age. Since they are prone to pancreatitis, I was under the understanding that we were not supposed to feed that high in protein. I am not an expert on nutrition but I think I would avoid that.

[TresCutePiggies]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Not really.
It is either made at Menu or the company is questionable.
Just go with a company you like.

Ellie likes sweet potato mixed with her kibble.

Thanks for your honesty! My bullmastiff went crazy for sweet potatoes. It was wild.

At daycare, they eat lunch which is the Innova canned mixed with no salt green beans.

Maybe I will just start mixing in veggies with the kibble and come up with something different for the "base" for their lunches. It's only because they are so active that I feel they need the lunch. On weekends, they don't get lunch unless they are acting really hungry, and we have gone for a hike or long walk.

And sorry to the OP, I have totally hijacked your thread. I think the Innova kibble will be a good choice.

[mimimomo]

I used to mix in small amounts of EVO red meat small bites w/Mimi & Momo's regular NB kibble. It made their stools firmer but smellier. I guess all that protein. I stopped giving it to them because I read here on YT that too much protein in their diet isn't good for them. When they were eating it, they seemed to like it & did well on it, even tho it was small amounts.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by TresCutePiggies

Thanks, I will stop the Innova canned then. Is there any canned food you would recommend to mix in a bit with the kibble?

I know you addressed this to someone else, but I want to recommend Canidae if you are looking for a good canned to add as a treat or variety. I very much believe in the kibble (I use the Canidae dry All Life Stages Chicken & Brown Rice) for the majority of nutrition, but I will give mine canned Canidae All Life Stages Chicken& Brown Rice occasionally too.

All Canidae foods are super high quality, human grade, grain free foods. I actually had a little trouble getting it during all those recalls a while back because everyone was flocking to it to avoid recalled brands. Check out their site. Another site to look at is: Dog Food Reviews - Main Index - Powered by ReviewPost

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I know you addressed this to someone else, but I want to recommend Canidae if you are looking for a good canned to add as a treat or variety. I very much believe in the kibble (I use the Canidae dry All Life Stages Chicken & Brown Rice) for the majority of nutrition, but I will give mine canned Canidae All Life Stages Chicken& Brown Rice occasionally too.

All Canidae foods are super high quality, human grade, grain free foods. I actually had a little trouble getting it during all those recalls a while back because everyone was flocking to it to avoid recalled brands. Check out their site. Another site to look at is: Dog Food Reviews - Main Index - Powered by ReviewPost

didn't canidae recently change their formula and it was making dogs sick? i used to feed it too but stopped after hearing about them changing.

[viviansnickers]

What are the symptoms of pancreatitis?? And how do you figure out if your pup has it? Bloodwork?? Snick's doign awesome, but I always wonder...

[TresCutePiggies]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I know you addressed this to someone else, but I want to recommend Canidae if you are looking for a good canned to add as a treat or variety. I very much believe in the kibble (I use the Canidae dry All Life Stages Chicken & Brown Rice) for the majority of nutrition, but I will give mine canned Canidae All Life Stages Chicken& Brown Rice occasionally too.

All Canidae foods are super high quality, human grade, grain free foods. I actually had a little trouble getting it during all those recalls a while back because everyone was flocking to it to avoid recalled brands. Check out their site. Another site to look at is: Dog Food Reviews - Main Index - Powered by ReviewPost

Thanks - I will look into the Canidae...

Originally Posted by kalina82

didn't canidae recently change their formula and it was making dogs sick? i used to feed it too but stopped after hearing about them changing.

By sick, do you mean causing death? Or more like dogs who were already on it had an issue because the formula was changed unknowlingly?

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by viviansnickers

What are the symptoms of pancreatitis?? And how do you figure out if your pup has it? Bloodwork?? Snick's doign awesome, but I always wonder...

Vomiting, diarrhea, lethargy, abdominal pain, etc. depending on severity.
The Spec cPL is the most accurate for diagnosis but elevations in lipase and amylase with symptoms is a good clue.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by kalina82

didn't canidae recently change their formula and it was making dogs sick? i used to feed it too but stopped after hearing about them changing.

None of mine have been sick and I have used Canidae for several years. I was off the forum for a while, maybe it was discussed while I was gone. What sort of changes? Now I am curious and will do a search, but I still have to give my personal recommendation as it has always been a good food for us. I have also been good about checking recalls and as far as I know Canidae has never been invovled in any of them.

[FlDebra]

Okay -- read up on the changes. No problem with mine and the changes evidently. Adding a little barley and peas did not sound so bad. Not sure what all the fuss was about! Mine definately did not get diarrhea from any changes. In fact, that is one of the things I love about Canidae -- they have tiny little compact, dry stools that I can just pick up with a tissue and flush.

BTW I went back and saw one of my previous posts and I made a BIG typo -- I said all Canidae foods were "high quality, human grade, grain free foods" I did not mean grain free obviously since I was talking about using the Chicken and Brown Rice variety! I meant corn free. (Tried to edit but it was past the time limit.) I had previously avoided corn as I heard it was sometimes a problem. But even that I have found is not so with my dogs. I had to substitute a different brand recently when awaiting an order of Canidae and they tolerated the corn in the other brand just fine.

So I am still a Canidae fan! Here is a review of the changes: CANIDAE® Pet Foods: Facts About the Improved CANIDAE and FELIDAE Holistic Dry Formulas

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

None of mine have been sick and I have used Canidae for several years. I was off the forum for a while, maybe it was discussed while I was gone. What sort of changes? Now I am curious and will do a search, but I still have to give my personal recommendation as it has always been a good food for us. I have also been good about checking recalls and as far as I know Canidae has never been invovled in any of them.

i they changed their formula and manufacturer. If you do a title only search here for "canidae" and go to the second page of results you should see the threads that were popping up about it.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sea...82&pp=25&page=

dogs were getting stomach issues, mostly constant diarrhea i think. seems the dogs were on the old formula for a while but after the change they started getting sick

if your dogs don't mind the change then that's great!

[_Chrissy_]

I swithced Max off of EVO Small Bites Chicken & Turkey to Wellness Adult Small Breed about 2 months ago. He loves it and there have been NO problems.
I was concerned about the high protein levels in EVO.