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01-17-2009, 12:14 PM | #1 |
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| Food After Liver Shunt Surgery Hi everyone, As some of might know, the new lil' guy Trooper that I recently adopted had liver shunt surgery in the summer. The vet said he has a clean bill of health now and recommended to his foster family that he can be fed a normal diet, and they have him on Wellness (dry & wet). I checked with my vet and she agreed, but when I joined the LS Group on Yahoo I was told that he should still be eating a low protien diet like Royal Canin Hepatic LS 14 so that he doesn't have anymore attacks/complications later in life. Now I'm torn and don't know what direction to go... I'm still feeding him Wellness, but does anyone have any suggestions/opinions/experiance with liver shunt babies. If you have a liver shunt baby, what have you been feeding them since their surgery??? I appreciate the help.
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01-17-2009, 01:38 PM | #2 |
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| We have a 2 year old Yorkie charlie and when he was born he was very small and suffered from a liver shunt , and just last summer he had the exact same thing. So our vet gave us special dog food to feed him on. Also our vet recommened Cottage cheese , it keeps the Dog healthy and is good for them when they have just had a Liver Shunt operation. White fish , was recommened for our dog as well , which keeps them healthy. So go to your Local vet and get some special dog food for this. Cottage cheese was a very good choice , our dog loved it , I would recomend this. |
01-17-2009, 01:44 PM | #3 |
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| Tough call because excessively low protein can hurt the liver. I wouldn't want an asymptomatic dog on 15-16% personally. Then again, I trust the Yahoo Group more on nutrition than I do specialists because they actually have to deal with diet everyday. Maybe give RC LS 14 and add in some vegetarian protein? Hmmm, I don't know.
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01-17-2009, 02:37 PM | #4 | |
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01-17-2009, 04:47 PM | #5 |
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| Yes , Our vet gave us Royal Canin Hepatic 14 food for our dog. |
01-19-2009, 09:00 AM | #6 |
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| Has the yorkie had a BAT recently? If so, what were the results? I would not feed any foods containing red meat or organ meats to a dog who has had a liver shunt even if it's been repaired. You could try Natural Balance Vegetarian which is an all life stages food AND it's not a prescription food...Yes, many dogs who have had liver shunt surgery still end up having liver issues later in life whether it be months or years later. I prefer to provide liver support to dogs who have a history of liver problems...It doesn't hurt them to eat foods that are appropriate for liver problems...It's not just that low protein is needed, it's that they need the right kind of protein...I wouldn't give any high purine/protein foods that contain fish, red meat, organ meats, or pork. Honestly, I would go with vegetarian food, but that's just me.... RC Hepatic food is vegetarian, but is low protein, so if the dog has completely normal BAT results and no symptoms whatsoever, I would add protein to the food in the form of no sodium cottage cheese or goat milk protein powder, egg whites, or low sodium goat cheese.
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01-19-2009, 11:17 AM | #7 |
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| Teddi has LS surgery a year ago and we had her re-tested and she has a clean bill of health but Dr. Tobias at UT said even though she is all repaired she should remain on RC Hepatic for the rest of her life. I mix it with with the Natural Balance reduced calorie formula dog food (although she doesn't need any reduced calorie food but it is very low in protien).
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01-19-2009, 11:31 AM | #8 |
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| I'm not sure what BAT stands for, but he hasn't had any tests done in a couple months that I know of.. I'd have to look through his file that they gave me. And even if I did get it done, they vets seem adament that he's fine and doesn't need special food, but other's who dealt with LS say he should be... I'm trying to get a hold of his surgeon at Oakland to see what they say. If I'm still confused after that I might give Susan Davis, pet nutionist & Dr. Gordon, Holistic Vet a call... To me, my instincts tell me to put him on the RC Hepatic or Natural Balance Veg. just in case. But at the same I time don't want him to not have enough protien if he needs it... ????
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01-19-2009, 11:36 AM | #9 | |
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Dr. Tobias says that a special diet is best for life and that is what I'd most likely go with but I wouldn't want to underdo protein either. Adding a bit of egg white or something should take care of that. On another note, Oakland Michigan or Oakland California?
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01-19-2009, 11:41 AM | #10 | |
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Oakland Vetterinary in Michigan.
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01-19-2009, 11:44 AM | #11 | |
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Ellie saw an internist there for her liver issues. I think you could go with grams of protein but don't know how many are already in the kibble. I think it's so many grams per pound of weight? Somebody should know and you could just give the maximum healthy amount.
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01-19-2009, 11:46 AM | #12 |
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| Someone from Oakland just called me back in regards to my food issue with Trooper and they said that he can eat whatever he wants as long as it's a quality food, such as: Eukanuba, Iams, Science Diet, NutroMax or Royal Canin... They said no supplements where needed. This is what frustrates me... the fact that they call some of those brands high quality!?!?
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01-19-2009, 11:54 AM | #13 | |
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Are they telling you no liver support is needed like omegas, Denosyl? Ellie's internist (knowing that Ellie is pretty much asymptomatic and she may not even have MVD at all) said it was my choice to keep her on Denosyl but it couldn't hurt... By the way, while I liked the internist that we saw a whole lot, not much impressed me about the whole thing and I wouldn't bother with them if it wasn't necessary honestly. There is one vet in there that somebody told me not to go to because, "Our personalities would clash". lol, she knows me all too well. This particular vet that she told me not to see there is good but probably doesn't like questioning by owners or something. In the end, Dr. Tobias knows a whole lot more than they do, in my opinion, and I'd sooner listen to her.
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01-19-2009, 11:58 AM | #14 | |
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Who is Dr. Tobias you're referring to?
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01-19-2009, 12:00 PM | #15 |
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| Dr. Tobias is the leading authority on Liver Shunts and she teaches at University of Tennessee (that is where my Teddi had her surgery).
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