Orijen VS Acana
 

Hello everyone,
I don't know if there was already a thread about this two foods before, bue here it goes, what do you think about the new Acana with grain free? in comparison with Orijen?;)

Well they do come from the same company.. Personally I like it. I was gonna go for Acana but they don't have the new recipe yet over here, so I went with Orijen. :)

Both way way too high on protein and fat contents for YT their protein level shouldn’t be anything high than 28% will or can cause problem later in life. Try Solid Gold for puppy.

:(Over here we don't have as much as you do in the states, the better ones, that i like better personaly is acana and orijen

Which Solid Gold kibble is the best for YT puppy??? I'm kinda confused, Solid Gold has lots of products.:confused:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree :) I know there are here that feed raw, either prey or barf, and these people feeding their dogs mainly protein. The argument here is that dogs are carnivores, and what do dogs eat but meat? And meat is protein is it not? Unless you believe dogs are not carnivores, in which case I cannot say anything else.

My Yorkie is fed Orijen. I free feed her nowadays. She has not gained any unnecessary weight. If the fat content is too high, she would have gained excessive weight a long time ago. My shihtzu is the same way.

If there is such a thing as too much protein, I really would like to see an independent, un-biased scientific research explaining it. Link please?

I would like to hear more about protein percentages also. I have been trying to figure this out and most of what I have read is that they can eat very high protein content food but if there is an underlaying kidney problem than they should eat low protein (or something like that).

I agree with you, both my dogs eat orijen and are doing great. Vet says orijen is a great food and thats way they look so good.

Aren't there charts about the levels of proteins?

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Higher protein is really only an issue for dogs who have kidney/liver/pancreas disease.

For those unfamiliar w/ canine nutrition needs, I suggest Orijen's White Paper - it is EXCELLENT: http://www.championpetfoods.com/orij...hite_paper.pdf

Well I sure would like to know for sure
 

I had Chelsea on more meat with little grain, (home cooked) which was higher in protein, and she grained a lot of weight. My vet said to put her on a low protein and every pet food specialist store here also agreed that small breeds shld be on a lower protein factor. I wld rather have her on no grain food, so I’m at a loss of what is needed for them. How old is yr Yorkie and how long have they been the food?:confused::confused:

that's what i'm afraid of, that yorkies don't support so much protein..because they are so little, the idea of they being in the wild and carnivores are all great, but the thing is they don't live in the wild, they live in apartments or whatever as they don't spend as much protein and they would in the wild huntting or exercising.

Website Dry Foods and have on the Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) Barking at the Moon High Protein, Low Carb Adult Dog Food

If a dog is gaining (or has gained) weight - it isn't due to too much protein or too much carbs - it's too many calories. There actually are studies out there that show more inappropriate weight gain on a higher carb diet vs. a higher protein diet - but I don't have the energy right now to find them for you. They're out there though.

But it's almost beside the point. A higher protein diet, for a dog, would be considered more nutrient dense and bio-available - bc that's what their bodies can most efficiently assimilate - they're carnivores and that's what they're bodies are designed to eat. Therefore, when feeding a nutrient dense diet - you are supposed to feed less volume and it's usually indicated. The kcal analysis is different and you have to adjust accordingly.

As for the homecooking - was it balanced? Was the cal-phos ratio in check? What % prot/carb/fat were you feeding? Was her daily calorie intake calculated? There are so many things that go into homecooking and so very many things that can easily contribute to weight gain in homecooking.

The bottom line is: a size of a being doesn't determine whether or not it can deal with protein. Find a food you trust, a way of feeding you trust, learn about canine digestion and carnivores a bit - AND learn your dog's body - then feed to condition. :)

I cannot say it better really. Wylie's Mom ftw :D


This is why I always encourage research research research. Does not matter what people say, what vets say, what members here say, what pet food specialists say. They can only help you so much. You have to form your own opinion. If you're only gonna listen to the arguments people make, you're always gonna be conflicted, because the pet food business is a commercial world, and they're always gonna vie with each other with a better marketing campaign. it never ends.

I'm sorry to say, vets are not always right, and they are not always well informed. As for the pet food specialist, well... they own a business to run do they not? Are they genuinely passionate about dogs? Do they care if your dogs eat the right things or not?

Of course there are exceptions, but really, why would you depend on people's words when you can find out for yourself.

When I was in a food frenzy, the members here were so nice, they helped me inconsiderably. But I weighed each and every opinion myself. I did not go and base my decision on just any one opinion. I still went and did my own research and my fair share of reading. I'm still reading EVERY DAY. I joined emailing list, I joined groups, I follow links. If you really want to be comfortable with the decision you make about the food your babies eat, you have to arm yourself with knowledge, and decide which are biased and which are not.

It's really just a matter of googling and setting time aside to read. That's all you need.


My yorkie is now 8 months old and she has been on Orijen for about 3 months. I started free-feeding her a month ago. I will admit that my 2 year old shihtzu is also on the Orijen puppy, with higher protein and fat. We are now almost finished with the 7 kg bag of Orijen. Mocha had a growth spurt (which I do not attribute to the food, she is bound to have it sooner or later) she is now longer and taller, but aside from the growth spurt she has not gained excessive/unnecessary weight. My shihtzu, Lulu has not gained extra weight. Both has GREAT energy. We are now walking almost TWICE the distance we used to do. I have lost a kg every month since we started Orijen, because of the distance we do, and the brisk walk. Cross my heart.

I'm planning to switch to ORIJEN puppy, Just wanna know if the size of the kibble is small because I'm afraid my 5-month old puppy would choke on it. I am currently adding water to soften her Nature's Variety Instinct kibble because the size of the kibble is for all life stages (not tiny) and I want to feed her dry kibble soon.

I will take pictures of the kibble for you with something beside it for comparison, but it will have to wait until tomorrow. It's 2 AM now :D

I think the size is medium, my babies never choked on it, but they do chomp on food. I know a girl who thinks the kibbles are too big for her Poms so she cut each and every kibble in half until her hands are all swollen :eek: I really don't think it's big, but I will take pictures for you.

Hello,
i've been looking at an online store who sells orijen for cat 6 fresh fish. But i find any. Do you know an online store who sells it?

thanks babz! :) Can you please measure it while you're at it?

Orijen contains 50% of corn?????
I read again the white paper and it says there.:mad:

I think you read that wrong. The section you read is a table explaining the digestibility of various sources of protein. It says corn has 54% digestibility as a protein source. It does not state that the product contains 54% corn.

If it does, then Orijen would not get high ratings from dog food analysis site everywhere. Corn is one of the top allergens - and you can be sure people feeding Orijen would have complained of allergies a long time ago. So far I hear none.

Please read it carefully and properly. This is a screen shot from the part you read:

Oh yes you are right!! Thank god i didn't read it right, it was already mid night:D i like orijen, i just want to make sure i'm giving the right one to my babies, because it's also too expensive and it's hard to find over here:( especially the 6 fresh fish for cat, do you know any store online in the states or canada who sells it? i've been looking for it but i find any. I just found on ebay.

I know it SEEMS expensive, but trust me it's worth it. Also, you are feeding less on Orijen than if you feed food of less quality. The 7 kilogram bag I bought have lasted me 3 months now, and I think there's another month and a half to go yet. I free feed my dogs which are a Yorkie and a shihtzu, so that is a long time and a lot of food for about $40.

When I was feeding Science Diet (BAD food, don't go for that) I was buying a bag for every month. It costs $12.5. In the end, Orijen is CHEAPER than when I was feeding Science Diet. Mocha was always hungry when she was on Science Diet, and Lulu barely eats yet I still managed to go through a 2 kg bag in a month. Now on Orijen they both have great appetite but Mocha will stop eating when she feels full. Which is why I am confident to free feed her.

A member here is staying in Germany, and what I heard was he got Orijen from Achetez Ã* pas cher des accessoires et de la nourriture pour animaux sur zooplus.be ? I think it's expensive but wouldn't the shipping be cheaper than if you ship from America? Also, try look in amazon uk, ebay uk.

The online site
 

You can find it easily here in europe. Try this site Achetez Ã* pas cher des accessoires et de la nourriture pour animaux sur zooplus.be or Accessoires animaux, nourriture animaux, animalerie en ligne - zooplus etc. Just try the nearest one with you in Portugal. :)

LOL thanks Ed, for coming to the rescue :D

Orijen is very high in protein right? Is it okay to feed my puppy even if she is not very active? She sleeps a lot :D

Please read the previous posts from me and Wylie's Mom. I believe we have answered your questions. :)

Doesn't matter if your dog is not very active. ALL dogs needs exercise. You have to take them out for walks at least once a day. My shihtzu sleeps most of the time too. In my opinion, it is fine.

That's me Babz :) in Brussels, Belgium not in German :)

Aww sorry! For some reason I keep thinking you're living in Germany. :D

No problem :) it's ok. Yes it's more expensive to buy Orijen here in Europe because it's the only place where I can place my order. Orijen unfortunately sells via online only in Europe.

This is the reason why I am planning to buy a bag of Orijen when I visit Indonesia next year. ;)

Do they sell also other good brands in Indonesia? ex Solid gold or Innova, Evo, etc?