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LuvMySissy · 08-06-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by broodizt

i think what luvmysissy meant was that from what Ive been told when switching to raw from another diet the body may go through a purging period if the previous diet was mainly a poor one of commercial dog food. I guess this can happen for a certain number of weeks before our babies get the old toxins completely out of the body.

Exactly!!!!! But, glad that is not the case either!

Wylie's Mom · 08-06-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by broodizt

Cassie just urinated and it was mostly clear with a slight tinge of yellow in one spot. I spoke to the guy in the natural foods pet store and he says he doubts that it would be the food since the last time I fed her before she threw up was about 4-5 oclock yesterday for dinner and she didn't vomit till about 7:3o this morning before breakfast or any food. he said it would all have been digested by then, so he doubts would be the food.

Oh, great! Clear means she's back to being hydrated. This could have been some fluke - or some odd thing she had in her system from being outside that was working its way through her body. I hope she stays on the mend, the little punkin'!

Nancy1999 · 08-06-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by broodizt

i think what luvmysissy meant was that from what Ive been told when switching to raw from another diet the body may go through a purging period if the previous diet was mainly a poor one of commercial dog food. I guess this can happen for a certain number of weeks before our babies get the old toxins completely out of the body. But Cassie was not on commercial dog food, I was home feeding her and so she really did not have any diahreah or a bad reaction the the raw. I switched her immediately from one to the other and she seemed just fine. Not really sure what the heck happened. I hope and pray it is subsiding. It seems to be so, at the moment. I will feed her lunch soon and see if she holds that down. :-)

I just don't believe this, this is just not the way the body works. It sounds like the dog was vomiting bile, which is a brown color and used to digest fats. Perhaps, his food yesterday was higher in fats, I don't know.

Perhaps dog go through a period of vomiting when placed on a raw diet, but to blame this on the previous diet is ridiculous, it much more likely that the dog has difficulty handing the new diet and it takes a while for him to become accustomed to it, whether it's due to the dog needing the proper enzymes in his stomach before he can eat raw without problems I don't know, but I would like to see one piece of scientific evidence that any organism vomits to purge himself of the bad diet of two weeks ago.

bchgirl · 08-06-2008, 11:42 AM

Ramsey will vomit bile if she has NOT eaten. I'm thinking Cassie may just be the same.

And yes, a dog's digestive tract works much faster than our own...vomiting today is not from something eaten the day before.

broodizt · 08-06-2008, 11:43 AM

TLC,

Just saw your post. I was so upset, I actually missed it. Wow gosh, -to answer your question I don't know!!! Actually, I never thought of this. She has never done this, but she sleeps in her bed in a playpen, which is gated in by an x pen because she is not yet potty trained, so I have a pad out side her little house /bed. So she usually goes out of her playpen/bed, and makes on the pad and then goes back to her bed inside the play pen. I've never ever seen her eat poop, but I didn't watch her at night and early in the morning when we were both sleeping. Anything is possible I guess! Oh gosh, YUK! I HOPE NOT (LOL)

It didn't smell like poop, as she vomited on me also. But it kind did look like it a little as it was brown and I thought she had a loose stomach at first before she vomited the same stuff on me. Hmmm, something to think about and watch I guess.

LuvMySissy, thanks for the tip on forcing liquids-hope i never have to do this but it's important to know, just in case!!!! XOXOXO :-)

Wylie's Mom · 08-06-2008, 11:48 AM

Dogs really shouldn't "vomit" when changing over to raw. The "detox" that is normally talked about is a temporary change in stools - which, IF it occurs - would last maybe 2-3 days. My dogs had no detox at all.

Vomiting is the body's way of violently getting rid of something toxic, really. So, a dog really should *not* be vomiting from a diet change. That said, if for some reason - they have an extremely sensitive stomach (which in itself is NOT diet related) - they could vomit from changes - but that actually has nothing to do w/ the actual FOOD.

broodizt · 08-06-2008, 11:50 AM

Bchgirl, you may have something there. She ate dinner last night at about 4-5PM and had not had anything to eat since. She vomited at about 7 in the morning this AM before breakfast. Maybe I need to feed her a little later. Maybe it was too long she went without food. But I have fed her like this in the past week, and nothing happened. I know according to her weight I am feeding her a little more than she should be having of the raw, so I do know she is getting enough food. But she did seem hungry this morning. She is not losing weight, she is still 2.4lbs. Do you think I need space it out differently? She eats half a medallian 3X a day

broodizt · 08-06-2008, 12:00 PM

Gosh, this whole thing is a big mystery to me, Ann, because she was doing so great for the last week, and then all of a sudden---this. So I'm not sure exactly what happened-but she does seem to be on the mend. Maybe it was bile. it kind of looked like it could have been. I'm not sure If I've ever seen bile, but it looked kinda like what I thoouht it might look like. Hmmmm. Just not sure, but hope it wasn't poop (LOL)!!! Or Bile-

Well, I'm going off to feed her lunch to see how she does. :-)

bchgirl · 08-06-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by broodizt

Bchgirl, you may have something there. She ate dinner last night at about 4-5PM and had not had anything to eat since. She vomited at about 7 in the morning this AM before breakfast. Maybe I need to feed her a little later. Maybe it was too long she went without food. But I have fed her like this in the past week, and nothing happened. I know according to her weight I am feeding her a little more than she should be having of the raw, so I do know she is getting enough food. But she did seem hungry this morning. She is not losing weight, she is still 2.4lbs. Do you think I need space it out differently? She eats half a medallian 3X a day

Since it's only happened once...I don't think you necessarily need to space her meals closer. Just be sure to get something in her tummy first thing.

It may be a one time thing...sometimes dogs throw up and you have no clue why. My skin kid did it as a child sometimes.

Nancy1999 · 08-06-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Dogs really shouldn't "vomit" when changing over to raw. The "detox" that is normally talked about is a temporary change in stools - which, IF it occurs - would last maybe 2-3 days. My dogs had no detox at all.

Vomiting is the body's way of violently getting rid of something toxic, really. So, a dog really should *not* be vomiting from a diet change. That said, if for some reason - they have an extremely sensitive stomach (which in itself is NOT diet related) - they could vomit from changes - but that actually has nothing to do w/ the actual FOOD.

I agree with this. Although I'm very new studying about raw, from what I've read the amounts of bacteria on any given piece of raw could be significantly different. Raw even kept in the refrigerator would have much more bacteria each day. A dog new to this diet may have not yet formed enough of the "good bacteria" or enzymes to process this larger amount of bad bacteria.

Wylie's Mom · 08-06-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I agree with this. Although I'm very new studying about raw, from what I've read the amounts of bacteria on any given piece of raw could be significantly different. Raw even kept in the refrigerator would have much more bacteria each day. A dog new to this diet may have not yet formed enough of the "good bacteria" or enzymes to process this larger amount of bad bacteria.

Raw is really interesting; even if you never feed it, it's just interesting to learn about. I have a bunch of links, but you've probably already collected them all, lol!

With all the switches to raw I've seen here, I almost *never* hear of vomiting (unless there is an underlying health issue that is uncovered) - it really should not happen. Some stool changes, sure - some toxins can be "purged" that way, just like in humans. But not vomiting. Vomiting is something that happens w/ food poisoning, ya know? If my babies were vomiting from diet changes, ooooh, you can be sure we never would've changed, lol!

What is neat about raw meat, is that it contains the enzymes - instead of being cooked out - so it's pretty contained. But yes, any meat will grow more doo-hickies even in the fridge. And, a dog should be able to handle a few days worth of doo-hickies just fine. Technical, huh?

bchgirl · 08-06-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

But yes, any meat will grow more doo-hickies even in the fridge. And, a dog should be able to handle a few days worth of doo-hickies just fine.

Could you please provide a link to a reference stating the above?

And not one to THIS thread either. LOL

Wylie's Mom · 08-06-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bchgirl

Could you please provide a link to a reference stating the above?

And not one to THIS thread either. LOL

LOL!!! I will find the peer-reviewed, published study in JAMA!

broodizt · 08-06-2008, 12:33 PM

Dear Nancy1999,

I'm not sure what bile looks like, but it kind of looks like i would think bile might look. Her diet was the same though, as the day before and the day before that. Maybe I am not spacing her meals out correctly and she went too long without something in her tummy. :-)

broodizt · 08-06-2008, 12:51 PM

Hmm, interesting,

thanks bchgirl,

so maybe i'll just wake up earlier and get some food into her real early.

Just to clarify, I take two medallians out for cassie and defrost in the fridge overnight. Since I only give her 1 1/2 medallians, there are times 1/2 of one medallian may have to stay in the fridge until breakfast the next morning. never any longer than that. Do you think doo-hickies (LOL) can grow to dangerous proportions in that time?

08-06-2008, 11:42 AM	#34
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08-06-2008, 11:48 AM	#36
Wylie's Mom Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 35,889 Blog Entries: 2	Dogs really shouldn't "vomit" when changing over to raw. The "detox" that is normally talked about is a temporary change in stools - which, IF it occurs - would last maybe 2-3 days. My dogs had no detox at all. Vomiting is the body's way of violently getting rid of something toxic, really. So, a dog really should not be vomiting from a diet change. That said, if for some reason - they have an extremely sensitive stomach (which in itself is NOT diet related) - they could vomit from changes - but that actually has nothing to do w/ the actual FOOD. __________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann \| Pfeiffer \| Marcel Verdel Purcell \| Wylie \| Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨°

08-06-2008, 11:43 AM	#35
broodizt YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Temecula Posts: 669	TLC, Just saw your post. I was so upset, I actually missed it. Wow gosh, -to answer your question I don't know!!! Actually, I never thought of this. She has never done this, but she sleeps in her bed in a playpen, which is gated in by an x pen because she is not yet potty trained, so I have a pad out side her little house /bed. So she usually goes out of her playpen/bed, and makes on the pad and then goes back to her bed inside the play pen. I've never ever seen her eat poop, but I didn't watch her at night and early in the morning when we were both sleeping. Anything is possible I guess! Oh gosh, YUK! I HOPE NOT (LOL) It didn't *smell* like poop, as she vomited on me also. But it kind did look like it a little as it was brown and I thought she had a loose stomach at first before she vomited the same stuff on me. Hmmm, something to think about and watch I guess. LuvMySissy, thanks for the tip on forcing liquids-hope i never have to do this but it's important to know, just in case!!!! XOXOXO :-)

08-06-2008, 11:50 AM	#37
broodizt YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Temecula Posts: 669	Bchgirl, you may have something there. She ate dinner last night at about 4-5PM and had not had anything to eat since. She vomited at about 7 in the morning this AM before breakfast. Maybe I need to feed her a little later. Maybe it was too long she went without food. But I have fed her like this in the past week, and nothing happened. I know according to her weight I am feeding her a little more than she should be having of the raw, so I do know she is getting enough food. But she did seem hungry this morning. She is not losing weight, she is still 2.4lbs. Do you think I need space it out differently? She eats half a medallian 3X a day

08-06-2008, 12:00 PM	#38
broodizt YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Temecula Posts: 669	Gosh, this whole thing is a big mystery to me, Ann, because she was doing so great for the last week, and then all of a sudden---this. So I'm not sure exactly what happened-but she does seem to be on the mend. Maybe it was bile. it kind of looked like it could have been. I'm not sure If I've ever seen bile, but it looked kinda like what I thoouht it might look like. Hmmmm. Just not sure, but hope it wasn't poop (LOL)!!! Or Bile- Well, I'm going off to feed her lunch to see how she does. :-)

08-06-2008, 12:33 PM	#44
broodizt YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Temecula Posts: 669	Dear Nancy1999, I'm not sure what bile looks like, but it kind of looks like i would think bile might look. Her diet was the same though, as the day before and the day before that. Maybe I am not spacing her meals out correctly and she went too long without something in her tummy. :-)

08-06-2008, 12:51 PM	#45
broodizt YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Temecula Posts: 669	Hmm, interesting, thanks bchgirl, so maybe i'll just wake up earlier and get some food into her real early. Just to clarify, I take two medallians out for cassie and defrost in the fridge overnight. Since I only give her 1 1/2 medallians, there are times 1/2 of one medallian may have to stay in the fridge until breakfast the next morning. never any longer than that. Do you think doo-hickies (LOL) can grow to dangerous proportions in that time?