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|05-27-2008, 01:32 PM||#1|
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Centrine for colon spasms
I am sort of at my wit's end at this point. I am always looking for holistic and organic ways to raise my dogs and now I am stymied. I am not one of the fanatical. non-credentialled "experts" on the net but I am into feeding organically, sometimes holistically, probiotics, enzymes and organic vitamins derived from blue green algae. Having said all that, I am NOT OPPOSED TO VETERINARY CARE--this is where I butt heads with nutritionists and holistic consultants--I WILL USE MY VET'S EXPERTISE WHEN all else has failed or when there is an emergency.
Ok, here is my situation with my adorable rescue, Henry the Shih-tzu. Yes, Yes, I know this is a Yorkie site but as you can plainly see, I also have two Yorkies who for the moment are in no 'trouble' at all, thank God.
When I first rescued Henry at five months, his digestive system seemed A-OK.I continued him On Wellness Puppy food and he was fine. Then I decided to upgrade his feeding and to start giving him probiotics/enzymes (after all how strong could his system be since he was a puppy mill dog?) and things started going south. I am not really suggesting that this very slow change in diet did anything to him but it seemed coincidental. Now I know it was not that at all.
Since he started Diarrhea he has not had but two or three days since Jan. where his stools were firm--the rest of the time they were either bouillion or warmed pnut butter consistency. Things are still this way.
I have had his stool tested at least five times for parasites and NADA. The vet ruled out giardia and whipworms but I did not! Since his stools continually came back clean my vet would not hear of talk of parasites..well, she would but she was vehement that he was clean. I was never convinced. I was upset because all vets should know that certain parasites do not show up in the regular stool inspections..and that special tests need to be run. She pointed out to me that it couldn't be Giardia since G. is highly contagious and that my other dogs remained just fine. She really had a point so I dropped the Giardia talk. He has had no blood or mucous so we ruled out IBD although a little irritable bowel was suspected. The vet put him on 8 days of flagyl. Absolutely NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER...his poops never firmed up. We ruled out bacteria but when flagyl doesn't at least have SOME EFFECT you know something is up.
Finally my vet agreed to panacur treatment because I was making a pain of myself out of worry over Henry who was 10 months old when we did this. He is one year old now. We gave Henry two doses according to protocol--two three day sessions with three weeks apart. NO RESULTS AT ALL...stools didn't firm up, ABSOLUTELY NO INDICATION that the panacur made a dent.
Ok, we ruled out parasites and bacteriia leaving inflammatory Bowel as the logical thing to think about. She put Henry on one of the prescrip. foods and that made him worse. Now he is on an equally crappy prescrip food (z/d by Hills) but my vet is INSISTENT that I stick with this for one month.
Oh, forgot to mention. I cut out ALL SUPPLEMENTS THINKING THESE MIGHT be the culprits but now I think I was wrong. Henry has continued this loose, pasty stool business but ALWAYS after a NORMAL AND FIRM POOP IN THE MORNING. His first poop of the day has been and is always almost normal and from there things go downhill.
So, today out of total frustration I collected the 'soup' and raced it over to my vet and INSISTED she take a look at this ABNORMAL FECES after the special diet, meds, NO SNACKS AT ALL, NO GRAZING OUTSIDE OR INSIDE, AND NO CHANGE IN HIS FOOD WHATSOEVER. The chicken and rice routine is not called for with him as this was tried and it seems he might be chicken intolerant as evidenced by the EXPLOSIVE DIARRHEA he had while on that diet.
Today, when she saw his poop she immediately suggested Centrine for a spastic colon which she said he has to have aat this point. I am to stay on this for the duration of the meds and call her in two days to see if his poop firms up. I suspect it will but what does this mean? I don't want him on medication for life..my god, that would be dreadful.
This has been a long story and I apologize to you all. But has anyone out there used Centrine? I am doing everything I know to do for Henry but if this Centrine works then he does indeed have a spasticity in his belly and this is why his poops are so awful and have been since jan. what about when the Centrine is finished? How do I keep the spasms from returning in him?? I know it will be diet controlled but I'll be damned if I will keep him on the Hill's ROTGUT forever..even if it does help firm up his stool. It is pure fiber and has minimal nutrition. I HATE giving him this food.
Thanks for your attention gals and guys. Again, sorry about the length of this saga. Yorkiesue
|05-27-2008, 06:00 PM||#2|
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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As far as meds go, this one is not too bad if he had to be on something long term. Weighing chronic diarrhea vs. Centrine - the diarrhea would be way more damaging, hands down.
If the drug does the trick, your diet options could be wide open - esp. with some of the supplements you're already aware of, which will be needed to heal his digestive tract.
If the drug doesn't do the trick, if it were me - I'd then go the route of homecooking whitefish, potatoes, greens - and/or contact Susan Davis at askariel.com.
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