RAW and VOMITING!!! HELP!!

[Gingergirlsmom]

Originally Posted by Tissy

Well, speaking for myself ONLY, I find it insulting that you think I lack the intelligence to "do my own research" before switching to raw. Does anyone else feel persecuted?

I give up. I wasn't trying to put anyone down or insult anyone.

OP...I'm sorry. I did not mean to do this to your thread.

[hha]

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

I can't find that quote, but did a quick google, there are a lot of great links on this site.

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-...s_Raw_Food.htm

It specifically addresses your point however, about dogs eating "prey". Meat that an animal comes across in the wild is not the same as the meat we provide for them...see article, it too may be worth a read.

Keep in mind, this is what I'm sending you after 2 minutes of googling. I'm sure I'll find the holes in it myself if I keep looking into it.

For me, until there is actual research supporting it, I'll wait. My dogs have all lived healthy lives (kibble's all that I've fed in my lifetime)

Hopefully, the research will show us that you all have found the right diet.

Oh, and Dr. Lonsdale has something to sell

Very good website..thanks for sharing

[hha]

Another type of bacteria which could potentially be fatal to a dog when the immune system is compromised is Campylobacter. Campylobacter is a common bacteria that is often the cause of food poisoning in people. Campylobacter can be found in most raw meats, especially poultry, and can also be found in raw milk and even contaminated water. Most healthy people (and dogs) can recover from campylobacter without much incident, however compromised people (and dogs) may not recover well and have episodes of vomiting, listlessness, diarrhea, and can even cause a wide range of ailments not usually considered; including urinary track infections and meningitis, or even death.
This would scare me...talk to your vet and see what your vet thinks about feeding raw versus kibble..I tend to find the vets are the ones I trust..if they think your puppy can eat raw, and that's what you want to feed, go for it, I don't think it's for every dog, or should I say, I know it's not for mine...!

[lara2913]

Originally Posted by Tissy

Well, speaking for myself ONLY, I find it insulting that you think I lack the intelligence to "do my own research" before switching to raw. Does anyone else feel persecuted?

Its ok, this happens sometimes. At the end of it all, you know that your little girl is eating so much better on raw, which is the most important thing

Many vets support raw, many. Alot of the ones who don't are being endorsed by pet food companies, so its not in their interest to do so. The pet food recall killed so many dogs, that to me is proof that kibble is no more safe than raw, less so, in my opinion.

If anyone wants to continue this discussion, lets move it over to the the raw feeding thread in diet, so as not to do this to the OP's thread anymore. The OP's puppy was completly better by the morning, by the way.

[hha]

Originally Posted by rebecca127

I just gave Abby a NV Beef Medallion and she ate fine with no problem. then 5 minutes later she throws up!! Then after 10 minutes she throws up again!!

I am freaking out. She is acting completely normal and is barking at me to play.

She drank some apple pedialyte that I gave her immediatley following the 2nd throw up.

I really did not expect this to happen! The most I thought would happen was diaherra.

What do i do now? Should I feed her a medallion tomorrow morning? This is really freaking ne out
and nnow she vomited again i am waiting for the vet to return my call

what did the vet say??

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by lara2913

Its ok, this happens sometimes. At the end of it all, you know that your little girl is eating so much better on raw, which is the most important thing

Many vets support raw, many. Alot of the ones who don't are being endorsed by pet food companies, so its not in their interest to do so. The pet food recall killed so many dogs, that to me is proof that kibble is no more safe than raw, less so, in my opinion.

If anyone wants to continue this discussion, lets move it over to the the raw feeding thread in diet, so as not to do this to the OP's thread anymore. The OP's puppy was completly better by the morning, by the way.

[rebecca127]

LOL, I just read all these threads and WOW!! what I missed while playing with Abby!

Anyway, the vet I go to has no problems with people feeding RAW, he actually believes it is beneficial for dogs and always recommends it to ill dogs and to dogs with severe allergies. And if owner's prefer to feed kibble or wet food, he always says to buy high quality food, never cheap foods. He actually has a sign in the waiting room with a list of the best quality foods ppl should purchase!!

The vet said that I should start with something not as dense as beef and too feed it to her slowly and Not to give her one whole medallion right away as she is very small. I told her about her past experiences with chicken and he suggested that I try to give her rabbit first and see how she does with that.

I am worried about feeding it to her again. But like Lara suggested, Abby might be allergic to one of the fruits or vegetables in the pre-made raw formula and that might have been why she vomited. If that is the case, I will then have to try feeding her RAW meat.

Someone here suggested that you feed them raw meat as a treat. I actually do that with Abby and she gulps it down with no problem and barks for more. Her stool was fine and no vomiting. That is why I found it so weird she threw up 3 times. BTW I have fed her strips of sirlion steak and ground beef.

I just do not know where to start if I had to start feeding her regular RAW(not premade). I have seen ppl here start with ground beef but uh we know what happened with that LOL.

Any suggestions for trying it out would be great! LOL, I have easy access to a butcher, my dad is one!! LMAO

Thank you all so much for your help and u guys are great giving advice!!


Oh and for those who are asking y ppl feed raw v. kibble. I believe it is ppl's person choice to do so. I want to change her diet because I just think it is beneficial for them in the long run. My family is from the Dominican Republic and we had a german sheperd that lived to be 20 yrs old. He was fed a combination of raw and table scraps and KIBBLE was never a question - they dont feed dogs that out there. and he was in tip top shape and had the most beautiful teeth u can imagine. That is the reason i want to feed raw. I see how long these dogs last on eating REAL food. Ppl on the island dont feed dog food, thats too expensive. Dogs out there last way past 15 yrs and why because they dont get fed this commercial crap that they sell out here in the states.

That is my reason for wanting to feed raw to my dog because I want her to live a long and healthy life.

Sorry for the long post and thank you to all once again.

Thanks,

Rebecca

[lara2913]

Hi Rebecca,

Well the fact that she does fine on raw ground beef and steak does lead me to think perhaps its one of the veggies or fruits that is in the premade. By all means you could try the rabbit, but if she has the same issues, that would be pretty conclusive.

I know its super nerve wracking starting to try to feed the 'sure nuff' raw but once you start it just gets easier and easier.

As she has had issues with chicken, perhaps you could start with either lamb or rabbit (depending on wether your butcher can get it). You can feed raw meaty bones, boneless meat and muscle meat from the one you choose. For example you could give her meat for breakfast and lunch (I remember you saying you feed her 3 times daily) and a raw meaty bone for her dinner. The organ meat 1-2 times a week. You could also give her a little bit of raw egg if she likes it and natural yogurt as a digestive support.


Lara

[lara2913]

Double posting.

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by rebecca127

LOL, I just read all these threads and WOW!! what I missed while playing with Abby!

Anyway, the vet I go to has no problems with people feeding RAW, he actually believes it is beneficial for dogs and always recommends it to ill dogs and to dogs with severe allergies. And if owner's prefer to feed kibble or wet food, he always says to buy high quality food, never cheap foods. He actually has a sign in the waiting room with a list of the best quality foods ppl should purchase!!

The vet said that I should start with something not as dense as beef and too feed it to her slowly and Not to give her one whole medallion right away as she is very small. I told her about her past experiences with chicken and he suggested that I try to give her rabbit first and see how she does with that.

I am worried about feeding it to her again. But like Lara suggested, Abby might be allergic to one of the fruits or vegetables in the pre-made raw formula and that might have been why she vomited. If that is the case, I will then have to try feeding her RAW meat.

Someone here suggested that you feed them raw meat as a treat. I actually do that with Abby and she gulps it down with no problem and barks for more. Her stool was fine and no vomiting. That is why I found it so weird she threw up 3 times. BTW I have fed her strips of sirlion steak and ground beef.

I just do not know where to start if I had to start feeding her regular RAW(not premade). I have seen ppl here start with ground beef but uh we know what happened with that LOL.

Any suggestions for trying it out would be great! LOL, I have easy access to a butcher, my dad is one!! LMAO

Thank you all so much for your help and u guys are great giving advice!!


Oh and for those who are asking y ppl feed raw v. kibble. I believe it is ppl's person choice to do so. I want to change her diet because I just think it is beneficial for them in the long run. My family is from the Dominican Republic and we had a german sheperd that lived to be 20 yrs old. He was fed a combination of raw and table scraps and KIBBLE was never a question - they dont feed dogs that out there. and he was in tip top shape and had the most beautiful teeth u can imagine. That is the reason i want to feed raw. I see how long these dogs last on eating REAL food. Ppl on the island dont feed dog food, thats too expensive. Dogs out there last way past 15 yrs and why because they dont get fed this commercial crap that they sell out here in the states.

That is my reason for wanting to feed raw to my dog because I want her to live a long and healthy life.

Sorry for the long post and thank you to all once again.

Thanks,

Rebecca

Lucky you, your dad is a butcher! send some of that good stuff over the river! LOL

[abbie's mom]

Originally Posted by rebecca127

Any suggestions for trying it out would be great! LOL, I have easy access to a butcher, my dad is one!! LMAO

Ok, now you're just braggin'. I am so JEALOUS! Hi Rebecca You've been given great advice/support, here. When/if you make the plunge into prey model, we'll be here .

Oh and for those who are asking y ppl feed raw v. kibble. I believe it is ppl's person choice to do so. I want to change her diet because I just think it is beneficial for them in the long run. My family is from the Dominican Republic and we had a german sheperd that lived to be 20 yrs old. He was fed a combination of raw and table scraps and KIBBLE was never a question - they dont feed dogs that out there. and he was in tip top shape and had the most beautiful teeth u can imagine. That is the reason i want to feed raw. I see how long these dogs last on eating REAL food. Ppl on the island dont feed dog food, thats too expensive. Dogs out there last way past 15 yrs and why because they dont get fed this commercial crap that they sell out here in the states.

Yep. Here's a tidbit from Myth: DOGS ARE LIVING LONGER LIVES BECAUSE OF THE BETTER NUTRITION PROVIDED BY KIBBLE.:

The oldest living raw-fed dog is Jerry, an Australian cattle dog-bull terrier mix. He is 27 and lives with his owner in Australia (Outback Mongrel Could Be Oldest Dog. USA Today. 7-13-2004.).

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by hha

talk to your vet and see what your vet thinks about feeding raw versus kibble..I tend to find the vets are the ones I trust..

Most vets know very little about nutrition. Most of the small animal nutrition classes taught in vet school are EXTREMELY short and are usually taught by a nutritionist from Hill's. Vet students are also offered tons of discounted and free products form Purina and Hills. I get free Purina for my roommate's cat every month. We also get an 80% discount on Hill's and Purina foods. Most vet students take them up on these discounts/free offers because they're living off of student loans. So then they're all set up to push Hill's and Purina once they graduate and start practicing. I was talking to a couple girls in my vet school class and they had never even heard of raw...I couldn't believe that they hadn't even heard of it...just proves to me further that a lot of vet students/vets aren't educated on nutrition

[011011]

Everyone has their own opions about what to feed there dogs.Just like us parents we all feed our children diffferently also.
Mine love raw food!!!!!
I do keep the kibble out (the NV kibble) for one of mine does not like the raw much but will eat it.
Yesterday I brought out cooked goose and raw chicken necks (I wanted to see what they would prefer)they all took the necks except my picky one who wanted the cooked goose.
So by choice mine prefer raw. And my skinny girl eats with a vengance now and I am sooo pleased with that.
Her breath smells a bit better also and she had some nasty smelling breath.

[abbie's mom]

Originally Posted by 011011

So by choice mine prefer raw.

If given the choice, I think most dogs prefer what their systems will process most efficiently .

And my skinny girl eats with a vengance now and I am sooo pleased with that. Her breath smells a bit better also and she had some nasty smelling breath.

......and, it will get even better if you stick with a prey model diet.

[pea496]

As soon as I saw this thread, I new there was going to be controversy. Well, I feed my Conner chocolate chip cookies only. When he gets sick of those, I feed oatmeal raisin!!! Just kidding.