Shampoo/Conditioner/Brush for Cottony Biewer Coat!??

[viviansnickers]

What shampoo and conditioner & brush do you use for your Biewer's stringy, cottony, hard to maintain, matts easily coat????

Right now I am using the light blue Madan brush which helps with does take out mats, but gosh, Reesie's hair is getting hard to upkeep. I have trimmed his hair but he is such a spaz, it's hard. I know I should prob get him groomed, but I want to try myself. I groom my Snickers myself but let's face it, he is calm!!!

I have tried Buddy Wash & Rinse with minimal success as well as Yorkie Splash & Shine.

I've been hearing a ton about PEK, but my DH will go bananas if I spend $75 on grooming products!!! Yikes!!!

THANKS-
Viv

[AllDogBoots]

Cooper is a Yorkie/Maltese mix with an extremely difficult cottony coat. He's getting his haircut as we speak. I too have the light blue Madan, but I also bought small pin brush which has a medium/soft cushion. It was a huge difference in brushing Cooper as the light blue brush didn't seem to work anymore. It got through his hair just fine, but wasn't brushing him out well. Also the small brush is a bit smaller and easier to manage. I recommend Jenny at toplinepet.com

I used Yorkie Splash & Shine, which I like but I recently tried using BioGroom shampoo and conditioner. I am amazed at how beautiful his coat is and it's really inexpensive. Amazon.com: BIO-GROOM Natural Oatmeal Soothing...

[gemy]

Originally Posted by viviansnickers

What shampoo and conditioner & brush do you use for your Biewer's stringy, cottony, hard to maintain, matts easily coat????

Right now I am using the light blue Madan brush which helps with does take out mats, but gosh, Reesie's hair is getting hard to upkeep. I have trimmed his hair but he is such a spaz, it's hard. I know I should prob get him groomed, but I want to try myself. I groom my Snickers myself but let's face it, he is calm!!!

I have tried Buddy Wash & Rinse with minimal success as well as Yorkie Splash & Shine.

I've been hearing a ton about PEK, but my DH will go bananas if I spend $75 on grooming products!!! Yikes!!!

THANKS-
Viv

Also try Biogroom Silk conditioner. It is relatively inexpensive and it may work for your cottony coat.

[jadabug]

This brush works really well on Bogie my biewer guy's cotton coat.Amazon.com: Isinis Hair Brush * Made In France:... and I use the green Madan pin brush also. I kept him in a long coat for over a year, and to keep the mats at bay was such a long tedious task. I cut him into a puppy cut in Dec. leaving his legs and face long. I was also using the ISB product line including the PEK conditioner and their products work great, but they are really expensive. My DH would kill me if he knew how much I spent on those grooming products. Here are a couple of pics...one in full coat and one in the cut I currently have Bogie in. Good luck
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[Yorkiedaze]

My Azrael has "the" thickest cotton coat of all! She has enough of this cotton mess to cover a dozen dogs. I have tried more shampoos and conditioner's than I even care to think about (not to mention the kings ransom I've paid out in these products) and can save you time and money right now by just letting you know what you can do to help with this problem. Buy a pair of thinning shears and a slicker. Thin out the thick cotton coat, and make sure you use a conditioner after you shampoo. Doesn't matter what kind of dog shampoo OR conditioner you use either. If the shampoo makes a lot of suds, then I would thin it down with water. I use #1 Systems super rich cleaning and conditioning shampoo and Super rich Protein Conditioner. They are VERY concentrated and last a very long time. I buy by the gallon since it's a lot less expensive that way. I also add Vegetable Glycerine to the conditioner. During the dry winter months they get a hot oil treatment before their bath and I use a humidifier to keep the house at 50 to 55%. (( Helps with my skin and hair as well)). There is no real "quick" cure for a cotton coat, but it is if you do the little extra.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

My Azrael has "the" thickest cotton coat of all! She has enough of this cotton mess to cover a dozen dogs. I have tried more shampoos and conditioner's than I even care to think about (not to mention the kings ransom I've paid out in these products) and can save you time and money right now by just letting you know what you can do to help with this problem. Buy a pair of thinning shears and a slicker. Thin out the thick cotton coat, and make sure you use a conditioner after you shampoo. Doesn't matter what kind of dog shampoo OR conditioner you use either. If the shampoo makes a lot of suds, then I would thin it down with water. I use #1 Systems super rich cleaning and conditioning shampoo and Super rich Protein Conditioner. They are VERY concentrated and last a very long time. I buy by the gallon since it's a lot less expensive that way. I also add Vegetable Glycerine to the conditioner. During the dry winter months they get a hot oil treatment before their bath and I use a humidifier to keep the house at 50 to 55%. (( Helps with my skin and hair as well)). There is no real "quick" cure for a cotton coat, but it is if you do the little extra.

I'm about ready to resort to the thinning shears myself.... I'm having alot of luck using BB double strength Super Gro w/ coconut oil for black people's hair, I apply it whenever I comb her out (everyday), and it makes her coat look shiny and calms it down a bit. Also works great on mats. I like it so much, I started using it on my non-cotton coats.

[Yorkiedaze]

Originally Posted by kjc

I'm about ready to resort to the thinning shears myself.... I'm having alot of luck using BB double strength Super Gro w/ coconut oil for black people's hair, I apply it whenever I comb her out (everyday), and it makes her coat look shiny and calms it down a bit. Also works great on mats. I like it so much, I started using it on my non-cotton coats.

It's great that you found a product that works so well for your baby. That was mentioned quite awhile ago and I bought it but It didn't work on my Azrael. I have since found what does work and I'm sticking to it like glue. No more jumping around for me. Just wish I had all the money that I paid out.

[viviansnickers]

I'm nervous to use thinning shears...how do I use them?? Also, with a slicker, does it really help with mats?? Any particularly good brand of slicker??

Appreciate all the tips!!!
Viv

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

It's great that you found a product that works so well for your baby. That was mentioned quite awhile ago and I bought it but It didn't work on my Azrael. I have since found what does work and I'm sticking to it like glue. No more jumping around for me. Just wish I had all the money that I paid out.

Oh I will definitely heed your advice... where do you buy that shampoo and conditioner? I have only tried the hair grease on her and was fairly satisfied.... made combing alot easier. I've only used what I have on hand for my others... Her coat is still way too thick for my liking. My DH called her 'fat' the other day.... I told him that's not fat, it's fur! She does resemble a foot hassock though.

[bchgirl]

Unfortunately there is not a product on the market which will change a dog's coat.

I own four biewers. One is a walking mat ball and after spending hours (literally) every night brushing him out...I cut him in a puppy cut. It is so much easier

[viviansnickers]

Reesie is a puppy He is in a short cut and I have to cut his puppy hair I feel so bad for him b/c he itches himself due to mats which tugs his skin, not due to allergies My poor baby boy. I honestly am thinking to let the groomer clip him down to about 1-2 in of hair on his body (which isn't much) and keep his face long and his legs a lil longer too. I am going to try more conditioner, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

-Viv

[Yorkiedaze]

Originally Posted by viviansnickers

I'm nervous to use thinning shears...how do I use them?? Also, with a slicker, does it really help with mats?? Any particularly good brand of slicker??

Appreciate all the tips!!!
Viv

I use the cat slicker because it has a lot more give to it than the dog slickers. Be sure not to rake the skin. I just put my finger under the mat and gently rake it out. The groomers use the slicker. You may want to ask a groomer to show you how it's done first.

[Yorkiedaze]

Originally Posted by kjc

Oh I will definitely heed your advice... where do you buy that shampoo and conditioner? I have only tried the hair grease on her and was fairly satisfied.... made combing alot easier. I've only used what I have on hand for my others... Her coat is still way too thick for my liking. My DH called her 'fat' the other day.... I told him that's not fat, it's fur! She does resemble a foot hassock though.

Here is a good site. #1 All Systems Dog Shampoos & Conditioners

PetEdge also has it but their shipping and handeling carges are steep. Just google in #1 All Systems and it will give you many places to buy and you can choose the best prices but be sure to take notice of the shipping charges.

[gumbysuz]

Yep! Puppy cut for Dori. Madden black brush and Biogroom shampoo with splash & shine spray. She wears a halter, so gets easily matted. We brush everynight before crate time where she sleeps "naked" to give her fur a rest.