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ehunney · 11-29-2006, 06:22 PM

Oh no! I hope he feels better and he's okay

RLC12345678 · 11-29-2006, 06:24 PM

I agree, Hannah. If he ate poison, the effects may not show up right away. I sure hope little Thor is alright!

Shadow · 11-29-2006, 07:08 PM

Get to the vet. Mine told me it can take up to 8 days to see affects and then it might not be a good outcome.

Lacy's Mom · 11-29-2006, 07:15 PM

Unless it is an older roach product (which would contain arsenic) you are probably dealing with the poison Phosphorus:

PHOSPHORUS

Clinical signs:

Vomiting and diarrhea with a garlic odor to the breath and vomitus, abdominal pain, bleeding, shock and death all occur.

Treatment:

Vomiting should be induced if possible, followed by pumping and flushing the stomach and administering medication to neutralize the phosphorus, and mineral oil to coat the stomach. IV dextrose is also useful in most patients.

Lacy's Mom · 11-29-2006, 07:22 PM

It could also be Borate, Boron or Boratic acid:

Clinical signs Signs include ptyalism, diarrhea, abdominal pain, rebound cranial abdominal tenderness, ataxia, hyperesthesia, tremors, muscle weakness, metabolic acidosis, seizures, coma, and death. Mild hyperthermia, shock, disseminated intravascular coagulation, and Cheyne-Stokes respiration occur.

Treatment Emesis or gastric lavage should be induced if ingestion occurred within 2 hours. Although borates are poorly adsorbed by activated charcoal, it is commonly recommended (in addition to adminstration of a cathartic). To be effective in removing borates from a patient, activated charcoal would have to be administered in dosages 5 to 10 times normal recommendations. This clinically impractical. The use of activated charcoal in patients known to have ingested borates is therefore not recommended. Persistent vomiting and seizures are controlled as needed. Hemodialysis is known to be effective in humans and should be considered in pets.

Signs

Salivation
Diarrhea, possibly bloody
Abdominal pain
Rebound cranial abdominal tenderness
Ataxia
Hyperesthesia
Tremors
Muscle weakness
Seizures
Coma
Mild hyperthermia
Shock
Disseminated intravascular coagulation
Cheyne-Stokes respiration
Death

EMERGENCY TREATMENT

Procedures

1. Secure the airway and ventilate as necessary.
2. Administer supplemental oxygen.
3. Secure venous access. Collect blood and urine for laboratory testing.
4. Control seizures.
5. Treat hyperthermia if present.
6. Administer crystalloids fluids to maintain perfusion and blood pressure.

Decontaminate

GI EXPOSURE (INGESTION)

Induce emesis if recent ingestion and if signs are not present.

Gastric lavage if signs are present after ingestion (p. 52).

Administcr saline cathartic unless diarrhea already present.

Connie · 11-29-2006, 07:34 PM

I will be praying for Thor! Good luck!

yorkieusa · 11-29-2006, 08:09 PM

Just came on and saw this, Hannah. I really hope he'll be fine.

LunasMomma · 11-30-2006, 05:27 AM

I tossed and turned all night thinking of you and your baby

I hope he's okay, please let us know.

Thanks

daisy mae06 · 11-30-2006, 07:14 AM

How is Thor Doing? OMG I hope he is ok. I'll Keep praying for him!

Marcellacml · 11-30-2006, 07:15 AM

How is Thor doing today?

Monday · 11-30-2006, 07:22 AM

how is Thor doing? What did the vet say? Thinking of you .... hope all is well.

Thorsmomma · 11-30-2006, 08:58 AM

Thanks for everyones good advise. We watched Thor closely last night and he's been fine today too. The brand he ate was Combat...my BF made a call and did some research and told me that he should be fine. And, he's been fine. Still really scary. I hide it under a chair in my sisters room, and when she came back from college for Tgiving...it must have gotten moved. Anyways,
thanks

ps, apparently, the ingredients in the combat are the same used in some tick and flea meds...maybe he'll be REALLY free of ticks this month!

LunasMomma · 11-30-2006, 09:11 AM

That's good to hear, whew! I'm sure that you are very tired today and I hope that you can get some much deserved rest!

JCarlson2004 · 11-30-2006, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cchu

My suggestion is to induce throw up.

To my knowledge, side effects usually do not show until its is fully digested and in their system. If you call posion control, they will charge you $55.00 which I suggest you should do. If you need instructions to induce vomit, I have it straight from the posion control them selves sicne I called them 3 days ago.

If yu have a vet available to call, call them if not, I wouldn't take anychances and induce the vomit.

daisy mae06 · 11-30-2006, 09:19 AM

thats really good news! keep it outa reach besides if you have a rodent problem thor and harry can track em for ya

11-29-2006, 06:22 PM	#16
ehunney Princess Bella Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: virginia Posts: 2,186	Oh no! I hope he feels better and he's okay __________________ I miss you two more then words can express, but I still have hope that I'll find you and hold you again! Tucker and Teddy always say: "If I want it, it's mine and if I put it in my mouth, it's food."

11-29-2006, 07:34 PM	#21
Connie Loved by Maddie & Libby Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Dakota Posts: 10,732	I will be praying for Thor! Good luck! __________________ Custom doggie dresses and vests Memory is a country where I can go to see your face - but where do I go when I miss your embrace?

11-29-2006, 08:09 PM	#22
yorkieusa Crazy about Kacee! Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 21,173	Just came on and saw this, Hannah. I really hope he'll be fine. __________________ Karen Kacee Muffin 1991-2005 Rest in Peace My Little Angel

11-30-2006, 05:27 AM	#23
LunasMomma Izzy's Momma Too! Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Stuart, Florida Posts: 8,799	I tossed and turned all night thinking of you and your baby I hope he's okay, please let us know. Thanks __________________ Tracy, Mom to Izzy and Luna

11-30-2006, 07:14 AM	#24
daisy mae06 Kodi & Pixie 2 Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: NEBRASKA Posts: 14,766	How is Thor Doing? OMG I hope he is ok. I'll Keep praying for him! __________________ OK Yorkie Rescue - http://okyorkierescue.org LorisCritterSitter.com

11-29-2006, 06:24 PM	#17
RLC12345678 I heart Hootie & Hobbs Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Posts: 7,149	I agree, Hannah. If he ate poison, the effects may not show up right away. I sure hope little Thor is alright!

11-29-2006, 07:08 PM	#18
Shadow No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Posts: 5,368	Get to the vet. Mine told me it can take up to 8 days to see affects and then it might not be a good outcome.

11-29-2006, 07:15 PM	#19
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	Unless it is an older roach product (which would contain arsenic) you are probably dealing with the poison Phosphorus: PHOSPHORUS Clinical signs: Vomiting and diarrhea with a garlic odor to the breath and vomitus, abdominal pain, bleeding, shock and death all occur. Treatment: Vomiting should be induced if possible, followed by pumping and flushing the stomach and administering medication to neutralize the phosphorus, and mineral oil to coat the stomach. IV dextrose is also useful in most patients.

11-29-2006, 07:22 PM	#20
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	It could also be Borate, Boron or Boratic acid: Clinical signs Signs include ptyalism, diarrhea, abdominal pain, rebound cranial abdominal tenderness, ataxia, hyperesthesia, tremors, muscle weakness, metabolic acidosis, seizures, coma, and death. Mild hyperthermia, shock, disseminated intravascular coagulation, and Cheyne-Stokes respiration occur. Treatment Emesis or gastric lavage should be induced if ingestion occurred within 2 hours. Although borates are poorly adsorbed by activated charcoal, it is commonly recommended (in addition to adminstration of a cathartic). To be effective in removing borates from a patient, activated charcoal would have to be administered in dosages 5 to 10 times normal recommendations. This clinically impractical. The use of activated charcoal in patients known to have ingested borates is therefore not recommended. Persistent vomiting and seizures are controlled as needed. Hemodialysis is known to be effective in humans and should be considered in pets. Signs Salivation Diarrhea, possibly bloody Abdominal pain Rebound cranial abdominal tenderness Ataxia Hyperesthesia Tremors Muscle weakness Seizures Coma Mild hyperthermia Shock Disseminated intravascular coagulation Cheyne-Stokes respiration Death EMERGENCY TREATMENT Procedures 1. Secure the airway and ventilate as necessary. 2. Administer supplemental oxygen. 3. Secure venous access. Collect blood and urine for laboratory testing. 4. Control seizures. 5. Treat hyperthermia if present. 6. Administer crystalloids fluids to maintain perfusion and blood pressure. Decontaminate GI EXPOSURE (INGESTION) Induce emesis if recent ingestion and if signs are not present. Gastric lavage if signs are present after ingestion (p. 52). Administcr saline cathartic unless diarrhea already present.

11-30-2006, 07:15 AM	#25
Marcellacml Cosmo, Minnie, and Lillian Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New York Posts: 3,107	How is Thor doing today?

11-30-2006, 07:22 AM	#26
Monday AND Friday also! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Long Island Posts: 3,371	how is Thor doing? What did the vet say? Thinking of you .... hope all is well. __________________ Like dogs, we should sniff butts, not kiss them. Dogs have more friends because they wag their tails, not their tongues. http://music.clevver.com/video/25815...ersion-300.php

11-30-2006, 08:58 AM	#27
Thorsmomma I Love Thor Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,177 Blog Entries: 1	Thanks for everyones good advise. We watched Thor closely last night and he's been fine today too. The brand he ate was Combat...my BF made a call and did some research and told me that he should be fine. And, he's been fine. Still really scary. I hide it under a chair in my sisters room, and when she came back from college for Tgiving...it must have gotten moved. Anyways, thanks ps, apparently, the ingredients in the combat are the same used in some tick and flea meds...maybe he'll be REALLY free of ticks this month! __________________ Hannah & Thor & Harry The boys on DOGSTER

11-30-2006, 09:11 AM	#28
LunasMomma Izzy's Momma Too! Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Stuart, Florida Posts: 8,799	That's good to hear, whew! I'm sure that you are very tired today and I hope that you can get some much deserved rest! __________________ Tracy, Mom to Izzy and Luna

11-30-2006, 09:19 AM	#30
daisy mae06 Kodi & Pixie 2 Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: NEBRASKA Posts: 14,766	thats really good news! keep it outa reach besides if you have a rodent problem thor and harry can track em for ya __________________ OK Yorkie Rescue - http://okyorkierescue.org LorisCritterSitter.com