I dont know what to do ...

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Originally Posted by sylvan

Agitation can be a warning sign of eclampsia. Are you giving calcium supplements (1/2 tums am and pm works)? Worth a call to the vet. Also, too much cleaning may be bothering her, they don't appreciate the smell of freshly laundered anything...I only change out half of the bedding at a time.
Don't know what your temp is like there, but it essential that pups are warm. I keep a heating pad under half the whelping box.

She is on calcium tabs and antibiotic drops from the vet. The bedding is washed with a minimal amount of detergent and nothing else. Thanks for the heads up about the tums.

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Originally Posted by DazzlinYT

It is just not feasable to keep a mother dog and her pups on a reclining couch, she needs quiet, PRIVACY..a "den" like area..and CONFINEMENT or you are going to find puppies sprawled out on your living room floor cold and mommyless if not dead. You need to quit giving into her, and put her in a LARGE crate or other confined area (much smaller than a walk in closet) with a heating pad under half of it...make sure the heating pad is WARM to your hand through the bedding, but not hot. You can't allow her to carry the puppies around, she is going to hurt them even not meaning to. You've got to be the smarter of the two species in this case, and make her do what she needs to do, even though you want to baby her...she is a mommy now herself, and she needs to be made to BE a mommy. I'm sorry if I sound harsh, I am just cringing at the thought of her carrying around puppies in her mouth with milk coming out their noses crying, no heating pad in your pictures, and the fact she's laying on a couch, not in a cozy puppy den where she can learn to be a mother, and has no choice in the matter. TOUGH LOVE on this one.

I gave up on trying to fight her about where she beds down (to an extent)

she needs quiet, PRIVACY..a "den" like area..and CONFINEMENT

Was this not the point of the first post? Was I not asking what to do since she was not doing well where I had her. She was picking the pups up, toting them around and bringing them to me. She was frantic and hassling and in a near panic. I subsequently moved her from the closet (where the pups were in a whelping box after being born and until she decided she didnt want them there anymore) to a crate/kennel. Until she decided she didnt not want them there either. I understand that the circumstances they are in now are not ideal for everyone and I would never consider advising anyone to do it themselves but it seems to be best for us - for now. The thought of dead pups is an absolute horror to me but so is watching all of them stressed to the point of death. The Momma is now (and has been for the entire day) content. She is not exhibiting any of the above mentioned behaviors. The pups are content, warm and well fed. I also know that this arrangement cannot continue for long but its what is working for us for now. I will be the first to admit that I am not an expert at this (far - far - from it) but I'm not as dumb as you think I am either. I am trying to provide you all with as much information as possible so I can have knowledgeable responses. The reason I came to this board is because I was in search of knowledge and experience as well as a love and enthusiasm for the breed. I do not mean for this post to seem harsh as yours certainly came across. Ruling with an iron fist is not my way but neither is negligence. I am doing the best that I can do for each situation as it arises.

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Originally Posted by DazzlinYT

, no heating pad in your pictures

There is and has been a heating pad in place since the pups were born.

[YorkieRose]

At this point I would not rock the boat. If the pups are warm and nursing, can not fall off the bed or get tangled in the bedding I would wait another couple days...then I would put them all in an enclosed pen.
What would happen if you got a plastic Rubber Made bin and put it on the couch...do you think she would stay in the bin with the babies?

[heather_lathrop]

im so glad to hear that they are all doing better! I just want you to know that your a great owner for being so concerned! Best of luck to you!!! If there is anything we can do please don't hesitate to ask!

[Lacy's Mom]

I had one Mom that wanted the puppies in bed with me. This was 20 years ago and we had a waterbed that the puppies could have easily fallen down on the side and been smashed. I couldn't let her have her way in this instance. Just keep a very close eye on them. Maybe you could place a box on the couch and cut an entrance for Mom so she could still be where she wants to be, but the puppies are more confined.

[RLC12345678]

Congratulations on the new pups. I am so happy to hear that they are doing so much better than when you first posted. I am so glad that there is a place like YorkieTalk where we can all come and ask these questions when we are in a panic. Sometimes you just don't want to pay $75 for a vet visit if it is something that doesn't require a vet visit but you are still worried. Your pups are going to be so well-raised, and whoever gets them will be lucky. You seem like such a caring mom. Good luck from here on out! Please keep us updated on their progress!

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

At this point I would not rock the boat. If the pups are warm and nursing, can not fall off the bed or get tangled in the bedding I would wait another couple days...then I would put them all in an enclosed pen.
What would happen if you got a plastic Rubber Made bin and put it on the couch...do you think she would stay in the bin with the babies?

Yes thats what I tried first. I placed an open topped storage container on the couch but it was a no-go. She still moved them onto the couch beside the container. So thats when I tried it her way. Everything has been fine ever since. A little background on me that might be of interest is that I am a stay @ home & homeschooling Momma. I knew "about" when she would have the pups and had planned to stay at home the entire first week. To be honest I have not left the house since the pups were born unless I was taking them and Momma to the vet. So to say that I put her on the couch and gave her her way is to an extent true but I am never more than a few feet away and at all time listening and willing to help if need be. I do not want her toting them around but dont interfere with her nosing them around to get them close to her or out of harms way. She has truly surprised me by being extremely concerned of the pups.

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Thank you all so much for all the warm wishes and concern. I am soooo happy that I found this board and so very grateful for everyones responses and concern. I will be keeping you all up to date and Im sure I will be asking lots more questions in the future. Be patient with me as I am still learning

[DazzlinYT]

I'm sorry.. I really didn't mean to sound harsh, or like you were stupid, just was worried and concerned. I'll butt out now, and wish you the best.

[Baby Blessing]

Originally Posted by fb2

Thank you all so much for all the warm wishes and concern. I am soooo happy that I found this board and so very grateful for everyones responses and concern. I will be keeping you all up to date and Im sure I will be asking lots more questions in the future. Be patient with me as I am still learning

We are glad you found the YT site too, we look forward to your future postings on the babies,and pictures, more pictures please, you are doing a fantastic job,
Hug to you and Puppy kisses from ~~Baby Blessing~~ Patti
P.S. Prayers that all will go great for you the mama and babies from here on out.

[Saleswman]

Originally Posted by DazzlinYT

I'm sorry.. I really didn't mean to sound harsh, or like you were stupid, just was worried and concerned. I'll butt out now, and wish you the best.

Becki, you gave sound advice......period.




Bottom line....be careful for what you ask for here.......you will probably get a lot of it......

----good advice that is------