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Lisa Nicole 03-19-2006 07:36 AM

What is her paypal address .. I'll send a donation asap! I couldn't sleep last night because of this thread...

Lis

porkieyorkie 03-19-2006 07:37 AM

Here is some info I found I hope it helps!

A poison is any substance harmful to the body. Animal baits are palatable poisons that encourage ingestion. This makes them an obvious choice for intentional poisoning.

Dogs are curious by nature and have a tendency to hunt small game, or explore out-of-the-way places such as woodpiles, weed thickets and storage ports. This puts them into contact with insects, dead animals and toxic plants. It also means that in many cases of suspected poisoning the actual agent will be unknown. The great variety of potentially poisonous plants and shrubs makes identification difficult or impossible unless the owner has direct knowledge that the dog has eaten a certain plant or product. Most cases suspected of being malicious poisoning actually are not.

In some types of vegetation, only certain parts of the plant are toxic. In others, all parts are poisonous. Ingestion causes a wide range of symptoms. They include mouth irritation, drooling, vomiting, diarrhea, hallucination, seizures, coma and death. Other plant substances cause skin rash. Some toxic plants have specific pharmacological actions that are used in medicines.

Poison Control Centers are located throughout the United States and Canada. All available information on the toxic ingredients in thousands of medicines, insecticides, pesticides and other registered commercial products has been placed confidentially in the centers by the government in these Poison Control Centers. It is estimated that 1,500 new items are added each month. The local Poison Control Center's telephone number is listed in the front of most telephone directories. Alternately, you can call the emergency room of your local hospital and ask them to request the information that you require.

The first step in treatment is to eliminate the poison from your dog's stomach by making it vomit. The second step is to delay absorption of the poison from the dog's intestinal tract by coating it with a substance that binds it. This is followed by a laxative to speed elimination.

Note: Do not induce vomiting or give charcoal by mouth if your dog is severely depressed, comatose, unable to swallow or experiencing seizures. Before proceeding, consult Vomiting, How to Induce in this chapter.

How to Delay or Prevent Absorption

1.Mix activated charcoal (one tablet to 10-cc water). Give one teaspoonful per two pounds body weight and follow with a pint of water. Depending upon the dog's condition, this may need to be given by stomach tube. Veterinary assistance usually is required.

2. Thirty minutes later, give sodium sulphate (Glauber's salt), one teaspoonful per ten pounds body weight, or Milk of Magnesia, one teaspoonful per five pounds body weight.

Note:If these agents are not available, coat the bowel with milk, egg whites or vegetable oil and give a warm water enema.

If your dog has a poisonous substance on the skin or coat, wash it well with soap and water or give a complete bath in lukewarm (not cold) water, as described in the SKIN chapter. Even if the substance is not irritating to the skin, it should be removed. Otherwise, the dog may lick it off and swallow it. Soak gasoline and oil stains with mineral or vegetable oil. Work in well. Then wash with a mild detergent, such as Ivory soap.

When signs of nervous system involvement begin to show, the dog is in deep trouble. At this point, your main objective is to get your dog to a veterinarian as quickly as possible. Try to bring with you a sample of vomitus, or better yet the poison in its original container. If the dog is convulsing, unconscious or not breathing, see Shock and Artificial Respiration. (Also see NERVOUS SYSTEM:Fits).

The poisons discussed below are included because they are among the most frequently seen by veterinarians. Strychnine - Strychnine is used as a rat, mouse and mole poison. It is available commercially as coated pellets dyed purple, red or green. Signs of poisoning are so typical that the diagnosis can be made almost at once. Onset is sudden (less than two hours). The first signs are agitation, excitability and apprehension. They are followed rather quickly by intensely painful tetanic seizures that last about sixty seconds, during which the dog throws the head back, can't breathe and turns blue. The slightest stimulation, such as tapping the dog or clapping the hands, starts a seizure. This characteristic response is used to make the diagnosis. Other signs associated with nervous system involvement are tremors, champing, drooling, uncoordinated muscle spasms, collapse and paddling of the legs.

Seizures caused by strychnine and other central nervous system toxins sometimes are misdiagnosed as epilepsy. This would be a mistake as immediate veterinary attention is necessary. Epileptic seizures are self-limited; the signs usually appear in a certain order, and each attack is the same. They are over before the dog can get to a veterinarian. Usually they are not considered emergencies (see NERVOUS SYSTEM: Epilepsy).

Treatment: With signs of central nervous involvement, don't take time to induce vomiting. It is important to avoid loud noises or unnecessary handling that trigger a seizure. Cover your dog with a coat or blanket and drive to the nearest veterinary clinic.

If your dog is showing signs of poisoning, is alert and able to swallow and hasn't vomited, induce vomiting as discussed above.



Sodium Fluroacetate (1080)

This chemical, used as a rat poison, is mixed with cereal, bran and other rat feeds. It is so potent that cats and dogs can be poisoned just by eating the dead rodent. The onset is sudden and begins with vomiting followed by excitation, straining to urinate or defecate, an aimless staggering gait, atypical fits or true convulsions and then collapse. Seizures are not triggered by external stimuli as are those of strychnine poisoning.

Treatment: Immediately after the dog ingests the poison, induce vomiting. Care and handling is the same as for strychnine.

Arsenic

Arsenic is combined with metaldehyde in slug and snail baits, and may appear in ant poisons, weed killers and insecticides. Arsenic is also a common Impurity found in many chemicals. Death can occur quickly before there is time to observe the symptoms. In more protracted cases the signs are thirst, drooling, vomiting, staggering, intense abdominal pain, cramps, diarrhea, paralysis and death. The breath of the dog will have a strong smell of garlic.

Treatment: Induce vomiting. A specific antidote is available but requires professional use. Metaldehyde - This poison (often combined with arsenic) is used commonly in rat, snail and slug baits. The signs of toxicity are excitation, drooling and slobbering, uncoordinated gait, muscle tremors and weakness that leads to inability to stand in a few hours. The tremors are not triggered by external stimuli.

Treatment: Immediately after the dog ingests the poison, induce vomiting. The care and handling are the same as for strychnine.

Lead

Lead is found in insecticides and is a base for many paints used commercially. Intoxication occurs primarily in puppies and young dogs that chew on substances coated with a lead paint. Other sources of lead are linoleum, batteries, plumbing materials, putty, lead foil, solder, golf balls and some roofing materials. Lead poisoning can occur in older dogs after ingestion of insecticides containing lead. A chronic form does occur.

Acute poisoning begins with abdominal colic and vomiting. A variety of central nervous system signs are possible. They include fits, uncoordinated gait, excitation, continuous barking, attacks of hysteria, weakness, stupor and blindness. Chewing and champing fits might be mistaken for the encephalitis of distemper, especially in young dogs.

Treatment: When ingestion is recent, induce vomiting. Otherwise, coat the bowel as described above. Specific antidotes are available through your veterinarian.

Phosphorus

This chemical is present in rat and roach poisons, fireworks, matches and matchboxes. A poisoned dog's breath may have a garlic odor. The first signs of intoxication are vomiting and diarrhea. They may be followed by a free interval, then by recurrent vomiting, cramps, and pain in the abdomen, convulsions and coma. There is no specific antidote. Treat as you would for strychnine.

Zinc Phosphide

This substance also is found in rat poisons. Intoxication causes central nervous system depression, labored breathing, vomiting (often of blood), weakness, convulsions and death. There is no specific antidote. Treat as you would for strychnine

red98vett 03-19-2006 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisa Nicole
What is her paypal address .. I'll send a donation asap! I couldn't sleep last night because of this thread...

Lis

YOU ROCK and I sent you the information....Thank you so much :)

Connie 03-19-2006 08:03 AM

I feel so sick with worry too! Gucci and Marie's all I've been able to think about! I just hope and pray that Gucci didn't swallow any of that stuff! I'll donate to paypal...Villette...please send me the papal addy!!!

red98vett 03-19-2006 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Connie
I feel so sick with worry too! Gucci and Marie's all I've been able to think about! I just hope and pray that Gucci didn't swallow any of that stuff! I'll donate to paypal...Villette...please send me the papal addy!!!

Girl...you are just the BEST. I wrote you and wrote Marie...She's so worried she can barely type

heather_lathrop 03-19-2006 08:55 AM

gosh this is so scary! My heart is in my throat. I want to send her a donation so bad! But we just don't have the extra money right now! This sucks! I have been worried all night! I hope that he is fine and that he didn't get any. Those poisons are so toxic! I am just so Pissed that these vets won't do something! Not everything in life is about money!

megan_kat22 03-19-2006 09:13 AM

Ah I'm so worried!!! I wish I could help more, but Villette, please keep us updated. Should I/someone make a post asking for help through paypal for Marie? I don't know what else to do

RMKC 03-19-2006 10:22 AM

I am soo upset, they can put you in jail for neglecting your animal , but Vets can turn you away...UNBELIEVABLE ! Can we all pitch in ????? I am willing !

red98vett 03-19-2006 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RMKC
I am soo upset, they can put you in jail for neglecting your animal , but Vets can turn you away...UNBELIEVABLE ! Can we all pitch in ????? I am willing !

What a good point and I SO AGREE :mad: Unreal isn't it that they would turn away a dog they COULD SAVE....

It's all about the money these days.

You guys are so awesome...I want to thank everyone who pm'd me....

The good news is They are at the VET...She found one that told her to get Gucci there NOW or she could die. So with everyones help...at least she has a chance because it did sound like Gucci did eat some of that poison...Marie took the poison AND Guccis poop so they know what they're dealing with...

the BEST outcome would be they will be able to treat her to prevent her from the damage it may do.

heather_lathrop 03-19-2006 10:44 AM

I am SO glad that she found a vet with a real HEART for animals! I agree! I can't believe that they can throw you in jail for not caring for your pet, but they can turn you away! Thats bull! Anyway, I wish I could contribute something here! I guess my prayers are going to be all I can give for now. And we will keep them coming!

megan_kat22 03-19-2006 10:46 AM

*sigh* I know this isn't over yet, but it's good to know they are at the vet. I hope everything is okay!!!! We're praying for you Marie & Gucci!!!

winnismom 03-19-2006 10:52 AM

The same thing happened to my 20 lb. bichon/poodle cross last winter. My husband left a block in the storage room and sure enought Winni got it. He bit into it but didn't ingest too much because i caught him in time and was able to piece the poison block together to see that he didn't, but he still ingested some. I did end up calling that poison control # and they charged $50 dollars to my credit card but the info they gave me was INVALUABLE. They had me get the info off the box..asked me all sorts of questions about how much he ingested and then gave me great advice. They said to give him one to two table or teaspoons, I can't remember how much...and it would induce vomiting. Within minutes he had vomited twice. It as awful but to be honest the small amount he ingested didn't get into his bloodstream because we made him vomit in time. I know people have been complaining about the $50 donation to these animal poison places but IMHO it's worth every cent. They saved Winni's life late on a Sat. night when we were miles away from a vet (we were up at out lake house in norther new hampshire when it happened in the middle of nowhere). As a matter of fact this past winter I called them to make a donation to their organization. The hotline is staffed by professionals and there is a vet on call that they relay all the info to and he/she gives her advice. Praying for that little furbaby and hoping it's okay. The problem is with some of those bait blocks the damage happens days later..they were desigened that way. Oh god praying!!! Hope there's something that can be done. Take Care

red98vett 03-19-2006 10:59 AM

WOW....This is the kind of thing I was trying to find out last night...thank you for sharing that....it makes sense and in these kinds of cases yes - that would be a well spent 50 bucks....

and you're right - what's scary is Gucci's symptoms would be showing for day or 2 if she didn't get treated....so now we have to pray this vet can save her

MeganS 03-19-2006 11:22 AM

wait...the ASPCA turned her away? or they just couldn't help her?

if I was a vet....I wouldn't even think about the money at first. If someone has a sick animal, TREAT the animal FIRST for that is more imporant! Then worry about the money later, once every one has calmed down! gosh.....


EDIT: just read that they're at the vet now. I'm so glad, and God bless that vet for seeing her.

mustangbee 03-19-2006 11:42 AM

Thanks Connie for linking this over. Where the heck have Iv'e been????
We will keep Gucci in our Thoughts & Prayers.
Oh my, I hope she's going to be OK. I'm so glad she's at a Vet now.
How could someone turn her away, that's just not right!!!!
Hang in there Marie, we are here with you! Gucci is getting the care she needs now. Please let me know what I can do to help. I hope there's some newes soon, It's going to be another sleepless night around YT.
Hugs to all. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:


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