Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4557884)

I don't know about personal attacks. You accused me of attacking and quite frankly I fail to see how. I assisted you in finding someone to help you, but beyond that I was done. I simply will never comprehend how this could happen.

You say you received a lot of messages...well so did I. Calls, texts and private messages here and on FB. Why? Because I went to bat and I asked people to help and they were stunned....they didn't see anything but the photos of Piper's puppies being posted all over FB and people clammoring over them wanting to buy them...asking you how much. They didn't see a person horrified by an "oopsie" pregnancy. I didn't see it so I don't know what the posts looked like (I unfriended you right away so I would not see them...not something that I could hack) but I understand that no one was informed that this was an accident and that you or anyone else was worried about the health of the mom and the puppies. What I was told was that it looked like a celebration of the birth of these puppies.

Whatever....it's done now. I did not attack you....I distanced myself because it made me so upset. I made a public apology to all of my friends for involving them. I had let my guard down and won't do it again. As I said previously, I will not ever support an individuals efforts to vet their personal pups. I will stick with helping rescue.

Originally Posted by windsantz (Post 4557880)

Thank you for the kind words Joan. This board has helped me out with so many things. I will keep ya'll informed on Piper and the puppies. We have our next appointment today at 3 pm. I will post Monday how they are doing.

Originally Posted by windsantz (Post 4557889)

I posted 1 photo of Piper with her puppies and 1 photo of each of the puppies. Yes, I celebrated. I would rather celebrate that Piper and her puppies made it thru this than to have to post that they didn't. No where did you see that I ever gave someone a price for one of the puppies.

You were the only person I spoke with about this happening. And it took a lot for me to tell you. I respect everything you do with your organization, I appreciate all your words of wisdom that you gave me. All the help and the way you went out of your way for me.

I will ask you this. Please don't shut others who may need you out just because I made a mistake. That is not the kind of woman you are. I know you are upset with me. But, please don't take it out on someone else who may need you.

Originally Posted by matese (Post 4557890)

Keeping little Piper girl in my prayers today for a positive vet report. When I offer help to anyone no matter how big or small it may be, it comes from MY HEART. And yes, I have helped more ppl then I care to remember and have been burned and swore no more, never again, but, I cannot take it out on another person that I see needs help, won't ask, but I still help where and when I can, it's on me if I get let down. That is who I am, and I will not change. There was a time in my life when I needed help, there was no one there for me, I know what it like, I will always do what I can for someone I feel needs help. I look forward to Monday and hearing of pipers vet check.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4557892)

I don't care for your insinuations this morning.

I am not taking anything out on anyone. You have NO idea what went on here and please don't profess to act like you do OR carry yourself as better than anyone else. Your heart is purer? Please.

Originally Posted by matese (Post 4557898)

My post was not directed at you, I made a statement that is all, why are you getting all defensive and making such a statement as you don't care about my insinuations, my reply was for Bobbie, NOT for you. I have not stated "I am better then anyone else" that is how you are taking it. I am who I am and will not change, I will help and if I get hurt, well, that's on me. If you are in an attack mode go find someone else to attack. This forum is for opinions, I have given mine, just as you gave yours, why attack me for speaking my feelings. This is why ppl leave YT, because when they offer their opinions they get attacked. You continue your life and way of thinking as you see fit, myself and others will do the same. All this attack on me just for commenting to Bobbie is uncalled for. Isn't it a shame some threads are always taken to another level that has nothing to do with the original thread. And please, do NOT accuse me of trying to portray myself as someone I am not. You know nothing about me and what I do because, I do not brag about what I do. What a shame new members have to read a thread where all this attacking goes on.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4557899)

Pretty it up any way you want and report me for attacking. Might be something new for the moderator... a complaint about attacking and how only certain people know how to communicate in the presence of new members. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4557858)

I wish you had just left the post from the other day and not commented further, because all I hear now is poor me and look at the good I have done. Sorry, but you could have had Piccolo neutered a year ago....wasn't he just recently neutered? Are you really sure who the father is if you had yet another intact male in your home?

You sent me a text asking why I attacked you...I have not attacked you. I am simply so sad for Piper....whether you like hearing it or not it was totally irresponsible to allow this to happen to her and to her puppies. To say I am disappointed is putting it mildly. Personally, I think you took that chance because you believe Trifexis caused her liver issues. Bottom line, you don't know and you also were told that her liver is still affected by whatever it is ...so why she was put at risk is beyond my comprehension. As to the comments about someone like Linda would have saved her....yes, that is true AND they would have never allowed something like this to happen. Rescues don't house intact animals together whether healthy or not.

I didn't want to say anything more, but your post this morning was so full of the poor me's that I had to. Trust me I know about vet bills and life's issues .. and I am not unsympathetic, but what does that all have to do with Piper being put at risk? I hope that you have learned....and hope others will learn from it as well. I pray that Piper and her puppies will be ok. Nothing more I can say about this.

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4557975)

Also the part when you say humping and sniffing, how did you not know that they needed to be seperated and completely away from eachother...you said you did, but if there was sniffing and humping...ya know? I understand Linda's frustration, she spent so much on this in so many ways....I just don't understand....seems you failed to realize your pup was SAVED not cured, I can't imagine any justification here.

I hope to God she is ok and the puppies are too...what a tragic tale...yet again. I hope all who read this learn, intact pups can not be in the same house, watched, diapered, seperated through a gate, door or otherwise...humping and sniffing usually means its already too late....a sick pup should never be bred and no amount of caution other than complete removal will help...so very sad to read all this.

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 4557959)

Just curious because I've never understood the thinking behind this, but why did you think that you could let a female in season and an intact make run around together with only a diaper and belly band "separating" them? Usually these items are easily removed.....or belly bands/diapers can slip up or down or turn. I realize the mistake already happened but I just really want to know why people think this can keep a female from getting pregnant??

Originally Posted by windsantz (Post 4557889)

I posted 1 photo of Piper with her puppies and 1 photo of each of the puppies. Yes, I celebrated. I would rather celebrate that Piper and her puppies made it thru this than to have to post that they didn't. No where did you see that I ever gave someone a price for one of the puppies.

You were the only person I spoke with about this happening. And it took a lot for me to tell you. I respect everything you do with your organization, I appreciate all your words of wisdom that you gave me. All the help and the way you went out of your way for me.

I will ask you this. Please don't shut others who may need you out just because I made a mistake. That is not the kind of woman you are. I know you are upset with me. But, please don't take it out on someone else who may need you.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4558010)

In my opinion there are very few accidents that happen where a dog gets pregnant. I am saddened massively for Piper. Just terrible. Yes I sent a message on fb to Bobbi because I was shocked and very upset and I was told to kiss her a**. So please keep in mind the victim is Piper not Bobbi!