Cody and CT

[chachi]

Originally Posted by mindy10

I am sorry I don't mean to upset anyone. I just got two vets opinions and both said probably CT. Second vet said not to do the expensive testing at this time becasue it is mild. I just thought it would be good to come on here and read other peoples experiences with there yorkies. I sometimes think owners know more than the vets. I wanted to get other peoples stories on dogs that have the quick fast cough (not a reverse sneeze) so I can feel better about my puppy knowing other peoples dogs do it and are still around years later. Just want to do whats best for the puppy if I can help him.

I know where your at and I dont think you upset anyone. If it were me in your position and a vet said its probably CT but its mild so I wouldnt do any testing I would look for a new vet that would do the testing because if it is mild CT it could turn to severe CT easily. If its not CT I would want to know so I would have the piece of mind to know it isnt. And if it is something other than CT I would want to know that as well but that is just me. Your not going to get that from an opinion neither ours or your vets

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by mindy10

Everywhere online you look for a dog that has a quick fast gag cough, when drinking or when playing hard or pulling on a leash they say is due to CT. Now I am not saying the CT is a severe case. Just that it is most likely due to a weak trachea. Even most vets say it. Especially if it is a puppy it is not usually due to heart failure or kennel cough. Kennel cough has a specific sound just like a reverse sneeze does. Some say allergies but I have never had a vet say a cough was due to allergies and I have seen many vets in my time.

Originally Posted by mindy10

I am sorry I don't mean to upset anyone. I just got two vets opinions and both said probably CT. Second vet said not to do the expensive testing at this time becasue it is mild. I just thought it would be good to come on here and read other peoples experiences with there yorkies. I sometimes think owners know more than the vets. I wanted to get other peoples stories on dogs that have the quick fast cough (not a reverse sneeze) so I can feel better about my puppy knowing other peoples dogs do it and are still around years later. Just want to do whats best for the puppy if I can help him.

All I am asking is where you have seen this information all over the internet. Dogs cough all the time and I have never had a vet tell me a dog had CT just because it had a cough when drinking or playing...or pulling on a leash. Any pup that pulls on a leash is more than likely going to gag and cough. That does not mean it has CT nor does it mean it will have CT.

The second vet said not to do further diagnostics more than likely because the cough is mild and more than likely is not CT.... <---- that is my guess.
He is trying to calm you down about this diagnosis and so are some of us. Trust me, if your pup has it, one day you will know for sure. Just try to relax and enjoy your pup....if the vet was terribly concerned, yes, further diagnostics would be suggested. BTW the cost for xrays and flouroscopy are not horribly expensive compared with other diagnostics...BUT if the vet feels they are not needed .. not needed!

No one is "upset" with you. I will only say that you keep talking about CT in various threads insinuating it is very common and it is not. I understand you may be concerned, but some of us are simply trying to explain to you that it is not a common diagnosis....that a vet should be looking at likely, more common causes for a cough first. I don't agree that "most vets" say that those symptoms are CT. Those things you mentioned are not diagnostic.l

[kreuer]

I think what Mindy is trying to say is when doing research about dog coughing during drinking, playing, etc, specifically small breed dogs there are 3 things that you will see most commonly said, CT, reverse sneeze, or kennel cough. I have also done a lot of research and talked to my vet because of my puppies cough. kennel cough and reverse sneeze are pretty easy to eliminate which leaves CT. I think as humans we want to know the answers to things and the internet can be a great thing but also a bad thing. I think we can all agree that a dog coughing multiple times EVERY day doesn't seem normal. That's why we have YorkieTalk to get advice from others who have had similar experiences.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by kreuer

I think what Mindy is trying to say is when doing research about dog coughing during drinking, playing, etc, specifically small breed dogs there are 3 things that you will see most commonly said, CT, reverse sneeze, or kennel cough. I have also done a lot of research and talked to my vet because of my puppies cough. kennel cough and reverse sneeze are pretty easy to eliminate which leaves CT. I think as humans we want to know the answers to things and the internet can be a great thing but also a bad thing. I think we can all agree that a dog coughing multiple times EVERY day doesn't seem normal. That's why we have YorkieTalk to get advice from others who have had similar experiences.

I do understand but she is starting multiple threads and obsessing about this when she doesnt know for sure it is CT. Me and LadyJane have different advice on this but I can respect hers as Im sure she respects mine. It is to both of us silly and unproductive to obsess over something when you dont know for sure it is even what your dog has

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by kreuer

I think what Mindy is trying to say is when doing research about dog coughing during drinking, playing, etc, specifically small breed dogs there are 3 things that you will see most commonly said, CT, reverse sneeze, or kennel cough. I have also done a lot of research and talked to my vet because of my puppies cough. kennel cough and reverse sneeze are pretty easy to eliminate which leaves CT. I think as humans we want to know the answers to things and the internet can be a great thing but also a bad thing. I think we can all agree that a dog coughing multiple times EVERY day doesn't seem normal. That's why we have YorkieTalk to get advice from others who have had similar experiences.

And what I want to know is WHERE she is finding this information. Here....I just googled these terms: "my dog coughs and gags" ... this is what I found.
There are so many other causes of coughing....they are not just reverse sneeze, kennel cough and CT:

Dog Coughing: Types and Causes

11 Reasons Your Dog Is Coughing | Webvet

Dog Owner's Guide:Canine Coughs


Bottom line, if a pup is coughing he/she should be seen by a vet for a diagnosis.

[mindy10]

Yes that is the type of stuff I read. Process of elimination. He does not have a flu, or kennel cough, or heartworms or lung cancer or heart disease. So that leaves me with CT. All I am saying is he does cough when pressing his neck so maybe it is not CT but he definately has problems with his trachea. I know a lot of dogs that don't cough when you squeeze their neck. Do I obcess. Unfortunately I do. I do it with everything not just my dog. Its a bad thing to have.

[kreuer]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

And what I want to know is WHERE she is finding this information. Here....I just googled these terms: "my dog coughs and gags" ... this is what I found.
There are so many other causes of coughing....they are not just reverse sneeze, kennel cough and CT:

Dog Coughing: Types and Causes

11 Reasons Your Dog Is Coughing | Webvet

Dog Owner's Guide:Canine Coughs


Bottom line, if a pup is coughing he/she should be seen by a vet for a diagnosis.

First of all, I'm not trying to argue, I'm really not, but I want to make sure what I said was clear. I said those are the three most commonly found in my search of coughing in small breed dogs. And, I never said those are the ONLY causes of dog coughing. Also, if you google search "yorkie coughs and gags" this is the top result


A Strange Condition in Small Breed Dogs | Tracheal Collapse


followed by multiple other sites about CT. So it depends on how you are searching.

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

All I am asking is where you have seen this information all over the internet. Dogs cough all the time and I have never had a vet tell me a dog had CT just because it had a cough when drinking or playing...or pulling on a leash. Any pup that pulls on a leash is more than likely going to gag and cough. That does not mean it has CT nor does it mean it will have CT.

The second vet said not to do further diagnostics more than likely because the cough is mild and more than likely is not CT.... <---- that is my guess.
He is trying to calm you down about this diagnosis and so are some of us. Trust me, if your pup has it, one day you will know for sure. Just try to relax and enjoy your pup....if the vet was terribly concerned, yes, further diagnostics would be suggested. BTW the cost for xrays and flouroscopy are not horribly expensive compared with other diagnostics...BUT if the vet feels they are not needed .. not needed!

No one is "upset" with you. I will only say that you keep talking about CT in various threads insinuating it is very common and it is not. I understand you may be concerned, but some of us are simply trying to explain to you that it is not a common diagnosis....that a vet should be looking at likely, more common causes for a cough first. I don't agree that "most vets" say that those symptoms are CT. Those things you mentioned are not diagnostic.l

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[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by mindy10

Yes that is the type of stuff I read. Process of elimination. He does not have a flu, or kennel cough, or heartworms or lung cancer or heart disease. So that leaves me with CT. All I am saying is he does cough when pressing his neck so maybe it is not CT but he definately has problems with his trachea. I know a lot of dogs that don't cough when you squeeze their neck. Do I obcess. Unfortunately I do. I do it with everything not just my dog. Its a bad thing to have.

No, that does not leave you with CT! What about allergies? You mentioned the vet said not to spend money, so my guess is the symptoms are not that concerning to him. If you think that the vet is wrong, why not just cut to the chase and go to an internal med specialist?

If you do have a problem like that, then maybe you need to seek some help. That could interfere with your happiness and that of your pup. We are not supposed to be posting religious opinions, but may I suggest that you say a simple prayer every day to replace your fears with faith? If you find that offensive, I am sorry. It is just something that works for me.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by kreuer

First of all, I'm not trying to argue, I'm really not, but I want to make sure what I said was clear. I said those are the three most commonly found in my search of coughing in small breed dogs. And, I never said those are the ONLY causes of dog coughing. Also, if you google search "yorkie coughs and gags" this is the top result


A Strange Condition in Small Breed Dogs | Tracheal Collapse


followed by multiple other sites about CT. So it depends on how you are searching.

Yes, one is a link to YT! That is not what I would call a site for "research" .. certainly one for information posted by laypeople but not a vet site.
The top one is Mercola .. again a site I don't put much faith in. I don't believe every single thing I read on the internet.

Bottom line: Coughing is indicative of MANY conditions and I seriously doubt that CT is at the top of the list. Yes, it is a concern in yorkies, but again, until other things are ruled out, it should not be such a concern. There is a classic cough found in CT but that is also not in all cases.

I don't speak from googling this topic. I speak as a person who has had quite a few CT pups over the years. I don't think CT every time a pup in my care coughs.

[mindy10]

So you have had a lot of puppies with CT and you said not all that coughed made you think had CT. So which ones did you think had CT and why did you think they had it?

[kreuer]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Yes, one is a link to YT! That is not what I would call a site for "research" .. certainly one for information posted by laypeople but not a vet site.
The top one is Mercola .. again a site I don't put much faith in. I don't believe every single thing I read on the internet.

Bottom line: Coughing is indicative of MANY conditions and I seriously doubt that CT is at the top of the list. Yes, it is a concern in yorkies, but again, until other things are ruled out, it should not be such a concern. There is a classic cough found in CT but that is also not in all cases.

I don't speak from googling this topic. I speak as a person who has had quite a few CT pups over the years. I don't think CT every time a pup in my care coughs.

I understand that not every website on the internet is accurate or reputable, that's the nature of the internet. I'm just saying that people like Mindy and me and others who may have a yorkie that is coughing and was to google it, that is the first thing we see so of course we would be concerned. The internet cannot make a diagnosis, but we can take that information to the vet to help rule things out. I know I tend to think the worse about things, but without further tests there is only speculation.

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by kreuer

I understand that not every website on the internet is accurate or reputable, that's the nature of the internet. I'm just saying that people like Mindy and me and others who may have a yorkie that is coughing and was to google it, that is the first thing we see so of course we would be concerned. The internet cannot make a diagnosis, but we can take that information to the vet to help rule things out. I know I tend to think the worse about things, but without further tests there is only speculation.

Rather than keep speculating, why not not make an appointment to an Internal Med Specialist and get the answers you are looking for. I know I certainly wouldn't spend weeks doing google and speculating, my babies would have already been to a specialist.

[mindy10]

txvicki because both our vets told us at this time there is no need for testing due to the dog not showing severe signs. (problems breathing, severe cough) both dogs only do a real quick cough and it does not even effect them. The vet told me even if he does have CT you would not even treat it at this time. So to take it day by day and see what happens.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by mindy10

So you have had a lot of puppies with CT and you said not all that coughed made you think had CT. So which ones did you think had CT and why did you think they had it?

First of all, let me inform you that I spend a lot of time at vets. I don't get on the internet every time they have something that concerns me. I go to the vet. Period. And, if the vet suggests further testing to come to a diagnosis, I do it. I have great vets and I trust the ones that I use. If they tell me a dog is fine, usually it is.

As to how I knew.....most were diagnosed after an xray was done. BUT, I had a pup that I posted on another of these sudden CT threads that keep popping up. He came up with a positive xray and the next time it was fine. Ended up almost dying after surgery. Excuse me for making that short, but I so hate repeating myself over and over on all of these threads that are coming out of nowhere.

One was coughing constantly....and I mean constantly and it was the classic goose honk. Once you have heard that cough you will never, EVER forget it.

My last one who recently died was diagnosed when he had an xray at Texas A&M prior to surgery.

There were others...now the real question is this: How many pups have I had that I thought had CT because they had an occasional cough??? The answer is: None. I try not to assume the worst because most things you worry about never come to pass.

Just trust me in saying I have a ton of experience with this condition and I don't have the time to sit and list each one. I don't think it would put your mind at rest anyway. I have posted on probably every one of your recent CT threads and I think you must think I make up what I am saying.

I don't google and post here...I share my experiences in order to help others.