Londyn - Patent Ductus Arteriosus

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Excellent explanation of a PDA

I'm surprised that they cath the pups to close the PDA. We've had a trial run of the docs using this technique in our babies, but they are reserving it for the ones who are too unstable (for reasons other than the PDA) for surgery. The surgical option you are talking about, is that a laparoscopic placement of a clip? Do they ever use Indocin or Ibuprofen to try and close them the way they will try with preemies?

I know it's easy to be angry at the breeder. But another way of looking at it might be that she did what she could to save the pup's life. She could have taken the easy route and just had her PTS.

BTW, Londyn can come stay with me any time.

I am not sure about the scope, but imagine so since they talked about going in through the ribs. I did not speak directly with the surgeon. I will ask, though....interesting question.

No, they cannot treat with meds like they do with human babies. The ductus in the dog does not have smooth muscle so it does not respond. The only time they do use any meds is once they are in heart failure...thank goodness we have her early.

Oh, I agree, it is better for the breeder to save the pup....BUT people who breed should be prepared for things like this. BUT (yes, another but) that would cut into their profits. I do hope she takes a long look at the pups she is breeding because this is congenital.

hahah....you could have her immediately if she were in my home Toooooo tiny...scary little thing! She is darling, though.

[Rhetts_mama]

I didn't know about the difference in the heart tissue between dogs and humans. Interesting. My hat gets tipped to vets, they have to have a more extensive knowledge of all the differences between animal anatomy and physiology than the rest of us can even begin to comprehend.

Any time Londyn's foster family wants me to pick her up, I'll jump on the first plane out of here

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I didn't know about the difference in the heart tissue between dogs and humans. Interesting. My hat gets tipped to vets, they have to have a more extensive knowledge of all the differences between animal anatomy and physiology than the rest of us can even begin to comprehend.

Any time Londyn's foster family wants me to pick her up, I'll jump on the first plane out of here

I did not know it either...she told me (I should go read about it just to be sure I am saying something correct..haha). I have not had a pup with PDA.

haha...I will let them know

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I didn't know about the difference in the heart tissue between dogs and humans. Interesting. My hat gets tipped to vets, they have to have a more extensive knowledge of all the differences between animal anatomy and physiology than the rest of us can even begin to comprehend.

Any time Londyn's foster family wants me to pick her up, I'll jump on the first plane out of here

This link says the meds are dangerous to use in dogs:

Patent Ductus Arteriosus in Dogs - Page 1

This one mentions the smooth muscle issue:

Category - Faqs - Animal Medical Center - Los Angeles, California

[Rhetts_mama]

Thanks for the links. Very interesting information. I'm wondering how much longer we will use the meds in preemies. Some studies are beginning to suggest a correlation between the meds and NEC as well as CP.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Thanks for the links. Very interesting information. I'm wondering how much longer we will use the meds in preemies. Some studies are beginning to suggest a correlation between the meds and NEC as well as CP.

Wow. Why don't they repair them? Is it that risky in them?

[Rhetts_mama]

I'll send you a p.m.

I don't want this thread to go off rails. Let's hear some more about pretty little Londyn.