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MomtoJasper 09-07-2013 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4311143)
If Jasper hasn't had a problem, I would continue to let him express his glands naturally. Neither of my boys have to have it done manually. There is a thread about this in the poll forum. Some pups need it, others don't.
Thanks, Kristin!! And, I'm going to do a search in the poll forum.

yorkietalkjilly 09-07-2013 12:42 PM
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Thanks, Kristin!! And, I'm going to do a search in the poll forum.
I need to re-read that, too!

kjc 09-07-2013 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4311293)
I've heard so many bad things about the Bordetella nasal vax and yet my sister's poor dog Tavi almost died from kennel cough complications and the care of two different vets trying to get him well again. He was ill for over 6 weeks with it and gravely ill in ER at times. He coughed so long and so hard and lost so much weight it was very scary. So KC scares me silly after seeing Tavi go through such a tough time with it. I don't board him except when I have to be in the hospital and I might be having surgery this fall so he'll have to have a Bordetella and time to build immunity. But with the Bordetella injection vax, we need Benadryl and that scares me with his liver MVD. I hate making decisions!
That sounds more like Bronchial pneumonia... KC is not that severe and will run it's course, just need to watch/treat for any secondary infections...

yorkietalkjilly 09-07-2013 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4311357)
That sounds more like Bronchial pneumonia... KC is not that severe and will run it's course, just need to watch/treat for any secondary infections...
IDK. His KC did give him bronchitis which they found on exam/x-rays but more films they kept taking but he never did show actual pneumonia at either clinic. Did a culture more than once. My sister was worried sick and kept vetting him over & over to be sure he wasn't dying. He almost had a whooping cough kind of case and just really had a bad case with apparently more than one bug but once he got well, he hasn't been sick since! And he's got a cast iron stomach.

kjc 09-07-2013 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4311369)
IDK. His KC did give him bronchitis which they found on exam/x-rays but more films they kept taking but he never did show actual pneumonia at either clinic. Did a culture more than once. My sister was worried sick and kept vetting him over & over to be sure he wasn't dying. He almost had a whooping cough kind of case and just really had a bad case with apparently more than one bug but once he got well, he hasn't been sick since! And he's got a cast iron stomach.
That's the thing though, people think if they get the Bordatella vac, their dog won't get KC. There are many different strains of KC that the vac doesn't prevent... similar to the issues with the human flu vaccine.

yorkietalkjilly 09-07-2013 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4311379)
That's the thing though, people think if they get the Bordatella vac, their dog won't get KC. There are many different strains of KC that the vac doesn't prevent... similar to the issues with the human flu vaccine.
I know. It's so scary but I guess some bit of extra prevention is better than nothing.

Ellie May 09-07-2013 02:36 PM
Why Benadryl?
I lean toward injectable but it isn't something I've put a lot of thought into bc we have never vaccinated for it and probably never will.

The only time Ellie got KC eas when we adopted Ry. They both had it and are both fine. However, it is not required to hospitalze here, and if it was I'd get out of it with her liver issue if I wanted to.

Do what you are comfortable with. A bordetella vaccine is not going to kill him. Just consider that any drug or vaccine can irritate the liver which theoretically can cause a flare (doubt it will ge noticable) and giving unnecessary drugs year after year may make his liver angrier overall. So cut back where you can and trust your get with the rest.

yorkietalkjilly 09-07-2013 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 4311388)
Why Benadryl?
I lean toward injectable but it isn't something I've put a lot of thought into bc we have never vaccinated for it and probably never will.

The only time Ellie got KC eas when we adopted Ry. They both had it and are both fine. However, it is not required to hospitalze here, and if it was I'd get out of it with her liver issue if I wanted to.

Do what you are comfortable with. A bordetella vaccine is not going to kill him. Just consider that any drug or vaccine can irritate the liver which theoretically can cause a flare (doubt it will ge noticable) and giving unnecessary drugs year after year may make his liver angrier overall. So cut back where you can and trust your get with the rest.
IDK. The vet didn't want to give the injection for Bordetella w/out Benadryl! I opted out and said I'd have to think about it.

kjc 09-07-2013 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4311380)
I know. It's so scary but I guess some bit of extra prevention is better than nothing.
Maybe, but how about letting the dog's own immune system deal with it? Vaccines will tie up the immune system for 3-4 weeks afterwards, so they're more susceptible to catching whatever during that time. If they are exposed to anything, they can get really sick, bc their Immune system is busy with the vaccine, and is not available to fight off an infection. Usually after the 3-4 weeks have passed, the dog will start showing improvement, but may need supportive care during the interim.

I tend to vaccinate against the most deadly diseases. The other stuff that can be treated with antibiotics, I let go. As the KC vaccine has questionable efficacy, as do all the vaccines against bacterial vectors, I choose not to get this one.

Should Your Dog Get Bordetella, the Kennel Cough Vaccine? | Truth4Dogs

yorkietalkjilly 09-07-2013 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4311391)
Maybe, but how about letting the dog's own immune system deal with it? Vaccines will tie up the immune system for 3-4 weeks afterwards, so they're more susceptible to catching whatever during that time. If they are exposed to anything, they can get really sick, bc their Immune system is busy with the vaccine, and is not available to fight off an infection. Usually after the 3-4 weeks have passed, the dog will start showing improvement, but may need supportive care during the interim.

I tend to vaccinate against the most deadly diseases. The other stuff that can be treated with antibiotics, I let go. As the KC vaccine has questionable efficacy, as do all the vaccines against bacterial vectors, I choose not to get this one.

Should Your Dog Get Bordetella, the Kennel Cough Vaccine? | Truth4Dogs
But no place around here will let him board with them without it? If I'm going to possibly need surgery sometime this fall or winter, they won't accept him I'm told. IDK what to do.

Ellie May 09-07-2013 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4311390)
IDK. The vet didn't want to give the injection for Bordetella w/out Benadryl! I opted out and said I'd have to think about it.
Strange.:confused:
Maybe vet fears reaction, but they can react from intranasal too. It isn't a vaccine where dogs tend to go into shock like leto. Fairly benign as far as vaccines go. I don't like all thereports of nasal issues caused by the intranasal vaccine.

Benadryl before is not a big deal if it makes vet feel better.

Ellie May 09-07-2013 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4311393)
But no place around here will let him board with them without it? If I'm going to possibly need surgery sometime this fall or winter, they won't accept him I'm told. IDK what to do.
Either ask the vet to board him without it as medical board or ask for letter from vet stating he can't have it (they won"t agree to do this though) or give it and try not to worry.

kjc 09-07-2013 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4311393)
But no place around here will let him board with them without it? If I'm going to possibly need surgery sometime this fall or winter, they won't accept him I'm told. IDK what to do.
Have you checked into a professional sitter/house watcher? Any relatives that could help? If no, I'd opt for the hospital boarding, or send him to me.... I'll watch him for you for free!:D

yorkietalkjilly 09-07-2013 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4311405)
Have you checked into a professional sitter/house watcher? Any relatives that could help? If no, I'd opt for the hospital boarding, or send him to me.... I'll watch him for you for free!:D
Oh, I'd love to send him to stay with you if it weren't for having to send him on a plane both ways! And I just don't trust those sitters and don't know any personally - they don't know him and am too scared one wouldn't be careful enough with him and he'd get out or worse. If I just knew someone I could trust - knew from several people in a row using them and no problems or scared dogs after the stay. I've known of a couple of "sitters" who were less than professional in the long run with frightened or shy-acting dogs in the home after the sitter experience.

My sister has a dog that is way bigger than Tibbe and he's gotten too aggressive to trust with Tibbe on his territory. My son might not be back from his Florida job in time but he would get here soon as he could. Tibbe would likely just have to be there one night. I'd rather have him stay at the Petco Hotel I think where his preventative-care vet can see him if need be. He'll be right there and the ER vet isn't that far down the road from the hotel. The other vet that boards just has kennels for their boarded dogs.


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